This is the story of the founding of Mogadishu in the Arabic book and banadri books

[killerxsmoke]

Unfortunately, this is old. The Yemenis claimed Punt, and they have evidence such as Yemeni writings in Egypt, Yemeni graves in Egypt and you have nothing The Yemenis were the ones who used to export incense to Yemen. This matter ended after the discovery of the tomb of this Yamim merchant
This is the sarcophagus of the Yemeni merchant in the Egyptian Museum View attachment 284399
And this is the translation of the written text that he was exporting myrrh and incense to Egypt in 300 BC And he was issuing it for the sake of the Egyptian gods
Give me a clue like this The Somalis didn't appear at that time, the Somalis appeared only 2000 years ago or less
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Land of punt ended in 1000bc showing evidence of yemeni selling incense to eygptian in 300bc doesnt really make them puntites

 

[ibrahym]

Mogadishu was founded by arabs. The word xamar means reddish soil in the arabic language. Mogadishu was always historically an arab city.

Nice why the first Arab ruling dynasty came in the 16th century

 

[Khaemwaset]

Land of punt ended in 1000bc showing evidence of yemeni selling incense to eygptian in 300bc doesnt really make them puntites

Historians sa it was either in Northern Somalia/Djibouti or Eritrea. Yemen wasn't in the question.

 

[mohammdov]

Land of punt ended in 1000bc showing evidence of yemeni selling incense to eygptian in 300bc doesnt really make them puntites

My friend, the land of the Punt reminded the Egyptians that it has two characteristics, and often Saba ruled parts of the Horn of Africa at that time And even the era of Ptolemy, and there are also Yemeni writings that are older than this and were found in Egypt It's very clear There were no Somalis in 1000 BC

 

[Step a side]

Himyarite Arabs from antiquities were trading as far south as Rhapta in modern day Tanzania. The ancient Greco-Roman travellers recorded this in the periplus.

One thing is guaranteed, the kings of the oceans are non other than the Austronesian’s. They settled as far west as Madagascar (Malagassay) and Comoros of Africa very early in history as well as the far east in Hawaii and every other islands in between of the Pacific Islands. Too many islands to name . They literally introduced the sea fearing culture directly or indirectly to the Indians, Arab, Chinese and Africans! They also introduced banana, chicken, cinnamon and the palm tree to everyone else and much more!!!

Detailed 2023 Genetic studies of the entire Swahili coast!!! Includes Pemba, Zanzibar, Kilwa, Mombasa, Comoros etc. This study is important because Mogadishu and the benaadir coats was visited and settled by these very same peoples.

Entwined African and Asian genetic roots of medieval peoples of the Swahili coast - PubMed

The urban peoples of the Swahili coast traded across eastern Africa and the Indian Ocean and were among the first practitioners of Islam among sub-Saharan people^1,2. The extent to which these early interactions between Africans and non-Africans were accompanied by genetic exchange...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Cushitic pastoralist were the earliest in Tanzania, Kenya, Mozambique etc. Followed by other groups like Bantu, Persians-Indians and Arabs reaffirming the Shirazi oral accounts.

Even the Lemba from Southern Africa have oral history of being descendants from Jewish men. Genetic study was done on them proofing that they are descendants from southern Arabian merchants who ventured deep into Africa for the purpose of trade. This is the study of the Lemba back in 2013

Lemba origins revisited: Tracing the ancestry of Y chromosomes in South African and Zimbabwean Lemba | Soodyall | South African Medical Journal

 

[killerxsmoke]

My friend, the land of the Punt reminded the Egyptians that it has two characteristics, and often Saba ruled parts of the Horn of Africa at that time And even the era of Ptolemy, and there are also Yemeni writings that are older than this and were found in Egypt It's very clear There were no Somalis in 1000 BC

They are proto somalis, they are our ancestor

 

[mohammdov]

They are proto somalis, they are our ancestor

Are they your ancestors only, or the ancestors of all Kushites?

 

[Step a side]

Are they your ancestors only, or the ancestors of all Kushites?

The land of punt were the proto Cushites. The people who settled eastern Sudan, Eritrea to Djibouti. Our lineage EY18629 is connected with an Egyptian at the 3500 year mark. Meaning we were in Lower Nubia & Eastern desert not that long ago. Punt however was recorded by the old kingdom Egyptians as early as “5000” years ago!!!

The Jebel Mokram Group and Gash groups (our ancestors) were some of the cultures involved with the early Egyptians I believe. The C-Group culture of Lower Nubia were most likely Cushitic speakers who spoke a language related to Beja. Same with the A group. Lower Nubians probably lost their Cushitic tongue due to Egyptian and Nilo-Saharan incursions.

The Kadruka sample in Sudan from 2000 BCE was mostly identical to the Early Pastoral samples of the same period despite being 1500 kms away.Considering the Early Pastorals were 25% local Ethio & Kenyan HG ancestry admixed this seems to suggest this ancestry once thought to be restricted in the Horn was once extended farther North than we thought. The L0f Horner/SE African HG maternal lineage found in one of those BA Levant samples.


The Kingdom of Kerma was probably linguistically mixed between East Sudanic speakers (Nilo-Saharans) and Cushitic speakers (Afro-Asiatic) There were descendants of the C-Group culture in lower nubia and the medjay who were probably extinct cousins of the modern day Beja.

Cushitic Afro-Asiatic speakers were living in Nubian regions north of Saï toward Egypt and southeast of the Nile in Punt in the Eastern desert.This is based on an analysis of the phonology of place names and personal names from the relevant regions preserved in ancient texts such as Wawat-, Medjay-, Punt-, and Wetenet-lists, which provide sounds typical to Afroasiatic languages.

 

[SuperBantuWeyne]

The name benadir is persian origin and the old tombs in Mogadishu are are a mix of somalis and persians tombs

It wouldn't surprise me, persians were also present along the Swahili coast before Arabs, the latest genetic studies confirmed this well conserved oral history

 

[Khaemwaset]

Are they your ancestors only, or the ancestors of all Kushites?

Proto somalis are the tribes that would mix and eventually become the somalis. It's literally in the name.

Kushites are a very old race. Somalis and Oromo are considered close but they split nearly 7,000 years ago. Find a language family in Europe that old.

Afro-Asiatic language family which includes the
semites: arabs, jews, phonecians, mesopatamians ect.

Egyptians.

Amazigh: morroco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia.

Cushites: somali, oromo, Beja, afar ect.

The founding tribe of the afro asiatics are the natufians, the people originating around the Levant who are the first humans in history to discover farming and move away from a hunter gatherer lifestyle.

Natufians.

Afro asiatics, descendants of the natufians and their expansion.

Map of afro asiatics in 500bc

 

[Khaemwaset]

I'm not the one with the inferiority complex habibi. View attachment 284391

No one has yer to disprove this

 

[Strawberry]

What bullsh!t is you talking about re-writing history

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

The name benadir is persian origin and the old tombs in Mogadishu are are a mix of somalis and persians tombs

Banaadir is plural of Bandar which in this context means coastal city it's word of Persian origin frequently used in Arabic, there aren't any ancient reer samaale tombs in xamar ,none of the gibil madow reer xamar clans or families that claim to be from samaale clans in the interior claim any of the ancient graves, all the ancient graves are of Arabs and persians .

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Translation: Seven brothers from Al-Ahsa fleeing from the persecution of the Sultan (the Uyuni state) and landed in Banadir and founded Mogadishu Merca BarawaView attachment 284362

Xamar already existed prior to this, Himyaris resided along the coast since before the time of Periplous

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Nice why the first Arab ruling dynasty came in the 16th century

First Arab ruler was Fakhruddin Al Qassani, prior to that , there was a council of elders from all clans that ruled

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Arabs were irrelevant in seafaring until the medieval era.

Coastal somalis have always been involved in the indian ocean trade. There was a system in the Somali peninsula of goods flowing from and to the indian ocean. Caravans of nomads in the interior and merchants in coastal cities. That is how somalis have always functioned.

Some towns may have been established after the Arabs became more important in the trade but ancient and early medieval somali cities have little to do with these desert dwellers.

Edit: I'd like to add that if ya'll are so desperate to give credit of Somali cities to foriengiers then you should give them to the indians, majority of these Somali coastal cities and towns lived off trade with India. But you don't see Indians claiming these cities, only these southern Arabians like Omanis who were in the desert doing f*ck all.

Who are those coastal Somalis? What tribe do they belong to , who are their modern day descendants?

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

The Omani claim is true .With the correction that they did not founding Mogadishu, these brothers did not leave any trace in Banadir. The truth is that they settled for a short period and moved to the south of Zanzibar and Kilwa
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Yes there's no Banadiri tribe or tribes that claim descent from Banu Harith, most likely they died out with the early famines and droughts such as during hilwani period or they settled elsewhere.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Mogadishu literally means "sight killer" or something along those lines.

Somalis exported incense, ebony, gold & ivory.

What did arabs have to export? Arabs did not dominate anything outside their peninsula before Islam. Desert dwellers in Arabia wouldn't have been such successful merchants that they somehow set up majority of cities in somali coast. Bullshit at its finest.
Pre Islamic arabs were inferior to Somalis, why do you put them above large civilised states such as Persia and India in importance within the indian ocean trade? Heck Ethiopia had more importance than pre Islamic Arab tribes.

Show one Banadiri source that says muqdisho means that .

 

[ibrahym]

First Arab ruler was Fakhruddin Al Qassani, prior to that , there was a council of elders from all clans that ruled

This is a lie. Ibn Battuta called his grandson a barbaric name

 

[ibrahym]

Yes there's no Banadiri tribe or tribes that claim descent from Banu Harith, most likely they died out with the early famines and droughts such as during hilwani period or they settled elsewhere.

Al-hilwani and Banu Harith, never existed