Pan-Africanism and Pan-Somalism on JSTOR
I. M. Lewis, Pan-Africanism and Pan-Somalism, The Journal of Modern African Studies, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Jun., 1963), pp. 147-161
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The Untold Story Of Somali-Israeli Relations
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It’s well known the letter was fake. But imma let you cook for the likesDon't forget Egal's letter where he begs Israel, tells them that Jews and SLanders have cultural ties and refers to himself as a humble servant of Israel. BTW Israel didn't even bother replying to that letter.
Shalom,
I have the honour to remain,
Your Obedient Servant
Mohamed Ibrahim Egal
President
Republic of Somaliland
SOMALILAND : EGAL WRITES TO RABIN - 02/12/1995 - The Indian Ocean Newsletter
In a letter dated July 3 transmitted by fax from Hargeisa to the then Israeli prime minister, the late Yitshak [...] - 12/2/1995www.africaintelligence.com
So some of the folks on this thread want to take us away from *bootyclapping* for Arabs to *bootyclapping* for Israelis? Have I got that right? Some nationalists, you lot are.
Also, someone said, if an Arab said that the sky is yellow, would you believe him? So by that logic, why do want to establish *relations* with Israel, at a time when Arab governments are doing that? Surely, that's following what Arabs are doing.....something you're supposedly against.
Again, simple minded people. Bless their sweethearts.
Also, someone said, if an Arab said that the sky is yellow, would you believe him? So by that logic, why do want to establish *relations* with Israel, at a time when Arab governments are doing that? Surely, that's following what Arabs are doing.....something you're supposedly against.
Again, simple minded people. Bless their sweethearts.
Lol the somalis back then accepted any support to gain independence. Once gotten they dumped them like a used condom.
And here you have somalis wanting said political connection for nothing in return even smh.
Do ya'll know that the pre kacaan govs considered sending the little army we had to aid the palestinians. The same ones that inherited the country from the very same ones that got said support.
I know critical thinking is tough nowadays but damnn man fixed up a lot of ya'll are western educated somalis.
The 68 IQ myth might partially be true
And yes we do need the arab league. Don't treat our nation the sameway you treat your social life by cutting people out of it. Over come your struggles and one day we can be the ones in charge. Instead of muh state. Fix up peeps.
And here you have somalis wanting said political connection for nothing in return even smh.
Do ya'll know that the pre kacaan govs considered sending the little army we had to aid the palestinians. The same ones that inherited the country from the very same ones that got said support.
I know critical thinking is tough nowadays but damnn man fixed up a lot of ya'll are western educated somalis.
The 68 IQ myth might partially be true
And yes we do need the arab league. Don't treat our nation the sameway you treat your social life by cutting people out of it. Over come your struggles and one day we can be the ones in charge. Instead of muh state. Fix up peeps.
Every country in the world will eventuallly recognize Israel, even Palestinians. There's no point in denying that it's their land now and they're not getting it back
Lol the somalis back then accepted any support to gain independence. Once gotten they dumped them like a used condom.
And here you have somalis wanting said political connection for nothing in return even smh.
Do ya'll know that the pre kacaan govs considered sending the little army we had to aid the palestinians. The same ones that inherited the country from the very same ones that got said support.
I know critical thinking is tough nowadays but damnn man fixed up a lot of ya'll are western educated somalis.
The 68 IQ myth might partially be true
And yes we do need the arab league. Don't treat our nation the sameway you treat your social life by cutting people out of it. Over come your struggles and one day we can be the ones in charge. Instead of muh state. Fix up peeps.
The irony is, saxiib, these lot will say Somalis have inferiority complex to Arabs, when showing solidarity with Palestinians and accusing people of being obsessed with Arabs........all the while they demonstrate obsession with Arabs by constantly bringing them up and blaming them for the mess that is Somalia......if you ask me, they feel inferior to Arabs.
I'm sorry, did Arabs invade and destroy Somalia in 91? Did they organise a coup against the government? Did they turn millions of Somalis refugees? The answer is NO. That's all on Somalis.
Make no mistake about it...Gulf Arabs play a huge hand in Somalia's instability....But, the fault ultimately lies on Somalis.
I agree with you a
%They don't know that the arabs also aided us in the same war where in some arabs whom where soviet aided the Ethiopians.
The saudis kept the ethiopians at bay whilst the iranians kept the kenyans at bay.
This is why education especially in history is vital to any society.
The people they cheer for back home are the reason why we are in this state yet they say arabs are at fault whilst also claiming an arab lineage.
A well articulated somali with a great writing style ought to study these lot and produce a more epic version of Game of thrones.
Instead of white walkers we would be having red eyed mooriyaan. High on khat raiding the villages
Again with the “heaven gates will open “ once we normalise relations with Israel, every time beggars, not knowing they could find these technologies else without losing our moral compass
Saudia shits on the street, let’s danadhilif themThen the Saudis who are (Arabs) supports zionism.
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
Israel was the only non communist nation to support Ethiopia in 1977 despite Derg regime cutting ties with the country 5 years before the war.
the israel still persisted in supported Ethiopia.
the israel still persisted in supported Ethiopia.
Sxb, no one is saying heaven gates will open or asking to be beggars. It is beneficial for us and our people and will help us long term. We have to what is in our best interest.
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
bro you think Israelis will give us weapons or lobby for the embargo to be lifted for just establishing relations with them?
Arabs buy our livestock which we depend on, i don´t think Israelis care about our Camels.
yes they would it's in their interest as we will eventually start selling Oil+Uranium and for that to happen Somalia needs to be stable. Having an ally to relay on in the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea will also be in their interest. As for araps, yes they do buy our livestock but lets not forget in the in 70s and mid 80s when we had famines they refused to buy our livestock.
Israel right now, doesn't see as us competition, however araps do, and have for a long time. It is in their best interest for Somalia to be destabilized or better yet fragmented. You have to look at this from a political lens, there are no friends when it comes to diplomacy only winners and losers and we have to do everything we can to make sure we can be winners or else we will cease to exist.
Idiot thinks geopolitics are like high school cliques
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
Israel was supporting Ethiopia 1977 despite Derg regime cutting ties with Israel. it's obvious that Israel doesn't want a powerful muslim state in East Africa.
I think you have inferiority complex towards Arabs just like Pajeets and because of that it drives you to bootyclap for Israel.
bidenkulaha
GalYare
A bunch of idiots competing on who has the biggest micropenis.
It’s quite simple that Pan-Africanism is an anti-Somali movement. Our biggest enemies are our African neighbours.
Secondly we must stay in the Arab league, it provides a great deal of relevance for us in the Arabic world. We should explore relations with Israel too as long as there’s a benefit to it. Israel is great in fields Somalia needs to develop in like energy, desalination etc.
We also need a change in culture given Somalia is now an extremist hell hole that will never be able to attract tourists. Tourism makes up around 10%-20% of many African and Asian countries providing crucial FDI and capital. A return to our more moderate Islamic traditions is very important. Deradicalisation should be a top priority so Islamic terrorists do not find support and that way security can be improved long term.
It’s quite simple that Pan-Africanism is an anti-Somali movement. Our biggest enemies are our African neighbours.
Secondly we must stay in the Arab league, it provides a great deal of relevance for us in the Arabic world. We should explore relations with Israel too as long as there’s a benefit to it. Israel is great in fields Somalia needs to develop in like energy, desalination etc.
We also need a change in culture given Somalia is now an extremist hell hole that will never be able to attract tourists. Tourism makes up around 10%-20% of many African and Asian countries providing crucial FDI and capital. A return to our more moderate Islamic traditions is very important. Deradicalisation should be a top priority so Islamic terrorists do not find support and that way security can be improved long term.
Nice cope. Yemen sent troops and aid to Ethiopia, Libya sent weapons to Ethiopia, and many other arap countries supported our enemies. Iran and Egypt did more for us in the war than any arap country and at the time Iran was under the Shah.
Iranian Says His Nation Will Defend Somalia If Ethiopia Invades (Published 1978)
Iranian official says Iran will go to Somalia's defense if Ethiopia and Cuba invades Somalia; Shah reptdly is deeply worried about USSR and Cuban influence in Horn of Africa (M)
I have no inferiority complex towards araps nor am I booty clapping for Israelis. Throwing ad hominems at me won't disprove the truth. I am just being realistic which seems to upset you. Arap regimes are not a friends of the noble Somali people. We need to use them without giving them too much influence in our policies. The Araps themselves are making deals with Israel, so why shouldn't we?
You seem to not understand geopolitics so I will not insult you sxb, please educate yourself and stop relaying in your emotions. Somalis must do anything to secure their existence and security
You are correct
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
South Yemen and Libya represent all of the Arab world? Israel still aided Ethiopia regime despite Derg regime cutting ties with them.Nice cope. Yemen sent troops and aid to Ethiopia, Libya sent weapons to Ethiopia, and many other arap countries supported our enemies. Iran and Egypt did more for us in the war than any arap country and at the time Iran was under the Shah.
Iranian Says His Nation Will Defend Somalia If Ethiopia Invades (Published 1978)
Iranian official says Iran will go to Somalia's defense if Ethiopia and Cuba invades Somalia; Shah reptdly is deeply worried about USSR and Cuban influence in Horn of Africa (M)www.nytimes.com
I have no inferiority complex towards araps nor am I booty clapping for Israelis. Throwing ad hominems at me won't disprove the truth. I am just being realistic which seems to upset you. Arap regimes are not a friends of the noble Somali people.
You seem to not understand geopolitics so I will not insult you sxb, please educate yourself and stop relaying in your emotions. Somalis must do anything to secure their existence and security
I don't care about geopolitics, Israel is a settler colonial state occupying Al Aqsa. The reason why accuse you of having inferiority complex is because you want establish relationship with a entity that's occupies Al aqsa because Arab "mistreated us". are you okay with Muslim being attacked in Al aqsa Mosque every Ramadan?
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You are acting on emotion sxb. Of course Israel is a settler colonial state that has committed horrible atrocities but what can we do? Either way we have to look out for ourselves, this doesn't mean we support zionism in anyway, it just means we just trying to keep our house in order first.
Ethiopia and Kenya are both settler "colonial" states as well who have committed / are actively committing horrible atrocities against Somali people due to our lack of power at the moment. We have to hold our tongues and slowly get our house in order, only then can we do anything.
I am not promoting Zionism and neither are most people in this thread, establishing relations is a must if it's beneficial for us.
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