The Truth Behind So-Called "Cushitic Unity" That's Peddled By Young Somali Men

[Waaqo of Punt]

They will have to.

I know many will hate this comparison, but it’s like AAs in US history, or the issue of Hindutva the non-Hindu Indian Muslim minority is facing currently in another modernizing country, India.

If they don’t, Ogaden will become another Palestine.

I guess we gotta let them get Oromised....Yikes nobody would like that.

 

[YourBroMoe]

They will have to.

I know many will hate this comparison, but it’s like AAs in US history, or the issue of Hindutva the non-Hindu Indian Muslim minority is facing currently in another modernizing country, India.

If they don’t, Ogaden will become another Palestine-esque situation where desperate people are weaponized using religion.

Doesn't the fact that this discrimination that is occurring in nations that are already successful relative to most nations, act as an indication that they DON'T have to assist Somalis in Ethiopia to succeed as a nation?

 

[World]

How can Somalis unite with 100 different ethnicities when we can’t even unite among ourselves?

I doubt the Somaliness of people who advocate for us to be dominated by our enemies.

 

[VixR]

From what I currently see when it comes to that "Somali representation" within Ogaden, believing in that is as much a pipe dream as believing Somalis will claim the land back.

Also, it's flawed to think that ethnic representation has any basis for a country's success, both economically or politically in the continental and international scale.

Simply look to the United States as an example.

It's a glorious nation, objectively speaking. An international powerhouse. A nation with an economical reach that's international.

And yet, minority representation is abysmal. Racism is still prevalent in the country.

Case in point:

1. The prison industrial complex.
2. Border control issues south of the country.
3. Racial profiling that still exists within the country.
4. Political leaders, up to the president himself saying racist things, which highlights the complete lack of disregard there is for minorities in the United States.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not blind to the many successes the US has gone through to get better in this regard.

However, minority representation has objectively, had nothing to do with the economical success in the US.

Immigrants coming in for work has helped. Still doesn't give the supposedly needed minority representation.

And since this is the case for a nation as large and stable as the United States, believing Ethiopia to give Somalis decent political representation is deluded.

The US is not comparable to a multiethnic country with its ethic regions. Your better off comparing it to India with its many languages and regions.

I don’t mean minority representation. I meant political representation, ie representatives/senators, such every state has. A stake in the government. A stake in the economy of the country such that when the country Ethiopia prospers, so too do it’s regions. Otherwise they will have a rude awakening.

 

[YourBroMoe]

The US is not comparable to a multiethnic country with its ethic regions. Your better off comparing it to India with its many languages and regions.

I don’t mean minority representation. I meant political representation, ie representatives/senators, such every state has. A stake in the government. A stake in the economy of the country such that when the country Ethiopia prospers, so too do it’s regions. Otherwise they will have a rude awakening.

I don't think Ethiopia is comparable to India either.

Ethiopia has a clear national identity, with ethnic groups identifying with it more than their ethnic one.

India is a large nation, with multiple ethnic identities and a federal state that's ruled by the identity of the majority ethnic group (the Hindis, who speak Hindi and believe in Hinduism).

In either case, Somalis lose.

Under the nationalistic identity, Somalis would be a very small minority with little political representation due to sheer population size, compared to other ethnic groups. There are 8.5 million Somalis in Ethiopia. The population is over 100 million... Being generous, that's a 8.5% representation. For political parties in Ethiopia, we'd be a non-factor under democratic representation. This is smaller than AAs in the US. To put it in perspective, from the 2007 census in Ethiopia, Oromos make up 34% of the nation. 27% for Amharas. It's 2019. These figures have probably increased. If you get the Oromo and Amhara vote, you'd win every National election. And this is assuming Somalis even have political representation in Ethiopia in the first place.

Under the ethnic identity, which Somalis currently have in Ogaden, they are already being discriminated, so it'd be the same thing anyway.

I still don't see a viable and realistic solution from your perspective.

 

[VixR]

Doesn't the fact that this discrimination that is occurring in nations that are already successful relative to most nations, act as an indication that they DON'T have to assist Somalis in Ethiopia to succeed as a nation?

If you insist on the analogy of comparing the US to Ethiopia, it would be comparable to the US government entirely ignoring one of its states.

Say we completely cut off MN lol. No representation. No benefit to it from the US economy. What do you think would happen?

You really think Ethiopia can ignore all the below, and nothing will happen?

In fact, they should have several representatives since they’re large in size:

If anything, Ogaden Somalis should get in there early, contribute, and take advantage of their peace and nationhood, and make things better for their regional citizens. Join the police forces. Join the military. Join the Politics. I hope to god they’re not waiting for Somalia. That’s a waiting game they don’t have to play

 

[YourBroMoe]

If you insist on the analogy of comparing the US to Ethiopia, it would be comparable to the US government entirely ignoring one of its states.

Say we completely cut off MN lol. No representation. No benefit to it from the US economy. What do you think would happen?

You really think Ethiopia can ignore all the below, and nothing will happen?

In fact, they should have several representatives since they’re large in size:

If anything, Ogaden Somalis should get in there early, contribute, and take advantage of their peace and nationhood, and make things better for their regional citizens. Join the police forces. Join the military. Join the Politics.

The geography is large. The population is very, very small. As my post above stated. The representation would still be low.

 

[VixR]

The geography is large. The population is very, very small. As my post above stated. The representation would still be low.

That’s to their benefit, if that’s the case (vast lands). Take advantage of the economy and invest in your region.

So what’s your plan?

To live in abject misery waiting for a Somalia that never had Ogaden, much less get them “back”?

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

We should not forces on dumb unites with Habeshas/Cushites but should forces on ourselves. Somalia is getting bombed by Al Qashiin 24/7, Somaliland is in it's second civil war with a Somali unionists in Sanaag. Forces on your ethnic group before you begin to to Afar to make a Djibouti 2.0.

 

[YourBroMoe]

That’s to their benefit, if that’s the case (vast lands). Take advantage of the economy and invest in your region.

So what’s your plan?

To live in abject misery waiting for a Somalia that never had Ogaden, much less get them “back”?

I'll be honest. I don't have a plan. But I think it's sensible to dismiss plans that probably won't work. So if I need a plan to contribute to the dialogue, then count me the fk out.

Also, the vast lands to low population ratio is probably the reason why the Somalis are discriminated in the first place...

 

[Nilotufian]

If you insist on the analogy of comparing the US to Ethiopia, it would be comparable to the US government entirely ignoring one of its states.

Say we completely cut off MN lol. No representation. No benefit to it from the US economy. What do you think would happen?

You really think Ethiopia can ignore all the below, and nothing will happen?

In fact, they should have several representatives since they’re large in size:

If anything, Ogaden Somalis should get in there early, contribute, and take advantage of their peace and nationhood, and make things better for their regional citizens. Join the police forces. Join the military. Join the Politics. I hope to god they’re not waiting for Somalia. That’s a waiting game they don’t have to play

That map looks off since when is Jigjiga part of Eastern Hararge

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

That map looks off since when is Jigjiga part of Eastern Hararge

It's the old map of Abyssinia.

Amhara folks want to revive this map of Abyssinia & get rid off Ethnic Federalism.

 

[VixR]

I'll be honest. I don't have a plan. But I think it's sensible to dismiss plans that probably won't work. So if I need a plan to contribute to the dialogue, then count me the fk out.

Also, the vast lands to low population ratio is probably the reason why the Somalis are discriminated in the first place...

“My” plan (common sense, not a plan really) gives them nationhood, peace, infrastructure, and an economy, and at least some representation. With prosperity, things will invariably get better for them if they have access to education, and take advantage.

They are in the same position Kenyan Somalis are in. Ultimately, one or two capitals will become the Ethiopian hubs, and many will be forced to go to there from the countrysides for a better life.

 

[YourBroMoe]

“My” plan (common sense, not a plan really) gives them nationhood, peace, infrastructure, and an economy, and at least some representation. With prosperity, things will invariably get better for them if they have access to education, and take advantage.

They are in the same position Kenyan Somalis are in. Ultimately, one or two capitals will become the Ethiopian hubs, and many will be forced to go to there from the countryside for a better life.

Based on where things are going, I'll have to admit, this is looking like the path Somalis in Ethiopia is headed.

Though I dunno if it'll be as smooth as you think. But I also think, that you yourself don't think it'll be that smooth either.

 

[AussieHustler]

Question.

Is the Somali region of Ethiopia better off today economically, security, and progress in general than it was in the past? Is it better off than the regional clan enclaves back home? Why will they opt out to join failed clan enclaves when their lot is improving within Ethiopia's federal system?

https://addisfortune.net/columns/as-ethiopia-rises-so-does-somali-region/

 

[VixR]

Based on where things are going, I'll have to admit, this is looking like the path Somalis in Ethiopia is headed.

Though I dunno if it'll be as smooth as you think. But I also think, that you yourself don't think it'll be that smooth either.

Hmm..

I’d be interested in the opinions of Somali people who actually live in Ethiopia. I think the “mainland” narrative is the overpowering one on here.

 

[YourBroMoe]

Hmm..

I’d be interested in the opinions of Somali people who actually live in Ethiopia. I think the mainland narrative is the overpowering one on here.

True. Also, we ourselves are probably not doing them justice by talking about it ourselves.

We look like arm chair philosophers in that regard, you know?

 

[Yoo]

The apex of his whole point is degrading other men for “thirsting for foreign women”, meanwhile he’s married to one. Even as a free agent for all healthy unions, it falls flat on its face.

Never mind the useless hypernationalism which apparently seems to require hating other countries who’re doing way better.

Ass-pull much?

 

[VixR]

That map looks off since when is Jigjiga part of Eastern Hararge

I just googled “Ethiopian regions”, fam. I knew they were large region, though.

True. Also, we ourselves are probably not doing them justice by talking about it ourselves.

We look like arm chair philosophers in that regard, you know?

True.

 

[Yoo]

Somalis ruling themselves is a failed experiment. Your tribalism has become your ruin. Now you want to pepper that with hyper-nationalism, on the offchance anyone dare think of putting the past behind them. The last attack between Somalis and Habesha was one where Barre attacked Ethiopia and failed.

2006? or all those other years after '77 where the ethiopian army attacked somali galbeed? Murtads surely are a security threat