The Truth Behind So-Called "Cushitic Unity" That's Peddled By Young Somali Men

[Waaqo of Punt]

And that's where I say goodbye you still believe the debunked omo Tana hypothesis don't you. Even I fell for it before but please explain this.

Omotic admixture happened before oromos became their own ethnicity so how did we become a branch of oromo without inheriting a large part of our DNA. There's no possible way you do know that.

Eveb funnier somalis have been present in the North of the horn for 10,000 years as a separate gene pool but omo Tana hypothesis states we came from southern Ethiopia 4-5000 years ago. Please show me the magic time machine we took and the genetic editing our geeljire ancestors did to pull off these miracles.

Yh u right. Oromos come from Somalis (an identity which we don't even sure we know where it came from) and we created Arabs too saxiib.
Provide evidence for ur claims plz.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

I don't want to go too deep

is that a substitute for "I can't provide evidence for my claims".
:siilaanyosmile:
You refute what science says because it rubs u the wrong way. Tough cheese mate science doesn't care about ur feelings.

 

[Arma]

Ah ok. I saw someone saying that ws the case. Apologies.
btw I had to call u out on the non-existent German hatred in England...it's been long gone.

No, walaal. Trust me, It's still there believe me. They may not be out on the streets, chanting "F-U Germany", but it's still there.

 

[Somalinimo]

Yh u right. Oromos come from Somalis (an identity which we don't even sure we know where it came from) and we created Arabs too saxiib.
Provide evidence for ur claims plz.

When did I ever say that? Oromos and somalis have a common ancestor that is very old since it has to be before the omotic admixture occurred. Same thing for all ethnicities, we all have a common ancestor, some earlier than others. I don't get why it's so hard for you to understand that. Basic biology

 

[Factz]

is that a substitute for "I can't provide evidence for my claims".
:siilaanyosmile:
You refute what science says because it rubs u the wrong way. Tough cheese mate science doesn't care about ur feelings.

We have different genotype biallelic markers. We may have the same DNA cluster like E1b1b but the sub-clades are very different. We are closer to Afars and Saho than we are with Oromos. DNA sequences prove so.

You have made many false claims today. Oromos are NOT our direct ancestors. That can easily be debunked by basic science. We both have a common forefather but we did not descent from each other, we're like distant cousins. Study the Cushitic tree, please.

 

[Somalinimo]

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Damn you're actually retarded

 

[Arma]

Beyond lost, no pride whatsoever.

Waar baal eeg waxaan: they dont want to be with Somalis of other clans, but they wanna unite with ethios?

 

[AussieHustler]

Let me be the devils advocate and state that proponents of Cushitic Unity believe that Somali clans could never be united under the leadership of a Somali (they do have a valid point because their detractors here would never accept a united Somalia not led by their tribal brethren) and thus believe under this lovey dovey Cushitic banner would illuminate to the Somalis their commonly shared identity within this union and later seek brotherly and sisterly solidarity among themselves and be in a position to lead this Cushitic unity. Meanwhile, the so called 'nationalists' are the very same people who believe the tribal enclaves to be sacrosanct since no foreign clan is dictating to them how to run and administer themselves. The Cushitic unity, anti-clan enclaves and anyone who proposes a strong centrist government is considered a hostile entity. Though there are few genuine ones amongst them, the majority of them ain't nationalists but are wolves in sheep's clothing when it comes building Somalia as a strong and united State.

Having said that, how about if we unite with Ethiopia and create a new super state called Somethio or Ethiosom? Let's jump on the caravan of modernisation that our neighbours are riding right now before we become the poorest and most wretched entity in the region and our people become indentured (slaves) labour for the wealthy Ethiopians?

 

[Somalinimo]

We have different genotype biallelic markers of Y chromosomes. We may have the same DNA cluster like E1b1b but the sub-clades are very different. We are closer to Afars and Saho than we are with Oromos. DNA sequences prove so.

You have made many false claims today. Oromos are NOT our direct ancestors. That can easily be debunked by basic science. We both have a common forefather but we did not decedent from each other, we're like distant cousins. Study the Cushitic tree, please.

If you really want to tell the truth we aren't even Cushites. The label itself is subjective and exogenous. We never identified as cushites. Our closer paternal lineage with Afars and Sahos points to their being two main branches, Puntite and Cushites. So that the correct term of encompassing what we are told is cushitic is actually hamitic.

Don't let the muh cushitic unity folk hear this tho. They'll have to delete the 120GB of fake flags and pro Ethiopia maps they made in their hoyoo's basement

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

We have different genotype biallelic markers and STR Y chromosomes. We may have the same DNA cluster like E1b1b but the sub-clades are very different. We are closer to Afars and Saho than we are with Oromos. DNA sequences prove so.

You have made many false claims today. Oromos are NOT our direct ancestors. That can easily be debunked by basic science. We both have a common forefather but we did not decedent from each other, we're like distant cousins. Study the Cushitic tree, please.

First of all I don't know what Oromo u're comparing with lol it's almost impossible to have a representative sample cus they assimilated many tribes around them but you're not ready for that convo.
It's been established that Oromos are far more ancient than us...just because they mixed more doesn't make them illegitimate.

 

[Somalinimo]

Waar baal eeg waxaan: they dont want to be with Somalis of other clans, but they wanna unite with ethios?

They failed in climbing the dominance hierarchy within somali society and social groups. They're the nerds who never got to have romantic relationships with somali women, the kids who got bullied by their fellow faraxs. So they found a new identity which increases the amount of women they feel they can have a chance with. Idealistic models from Eritrea is what they fantasise but a goat herding sidamo peasant is what they will get.

 

[Somalinimo]

Let me be the devils advocate and state that proponents of Cushitic Unity believe that Somali clans could never be united under the leadership of a Somali (they do have a valid point because their detractors here would never accept a united Somalia not led by their tribal brethren) and thus believe under this lovey dovey Cushitic banner would illuminate to the Somalis their commonly shared identity within this union and later seek brotherly and sisterly solidarity among themselves and be in a position to lead this Cushitic unity. Meanwhile, the so called 'nationalists' are the very same people who believe the tribal enclaves to be sacrosanct since no foreign clan is dictating to them how to run and administer themselves. The Cushitic unity, anti-clan enclaves and anyone who proposes a strong centrist government is considered a hostile entity. Though there are few genuine ones amongst them, the majority of them ain't nationalists but are wolves in sheep's clothing when it comes building Somalia as a strong and united State.

Having said that, how about if we unite with Ethiopia and create a new super state called Somethio or Ethiosom? Let's jump on the caravan of modernisation that our neighbours are riding right now before we become the poorest and most wretched entity in the region and our people become indentured (slaves) labour for the wealthy Ethiopians?

You're ignoring that will only benefit Ethiopia at the expense of our people. One thing no one wants to bring up is somaliweyn which does the opposite. If we just have a homogenous nation alone without any oromos or afars, we would have over a million km2 of land. Over 3,000 km of coast. Over a hundred billion barrels of oil. All to ourselves... that's not acceptable to Ethiopia or Kenya. They're multi ethnic empires and colonial states.

This map is what the region could possibly look like thanks the secessionist fire we would spark in Ethiopia. As you can see WE benefit by just being by ourselves. We get the most land and coast without any foreign influence at all

This is what we should wish for.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

You're ignoring that will only benefit Ethiopia at the expense of our people. One thing no one wants to bring up is somaliweyn which does the opposite. If we just have a homogenous nation alone without any oromos or afars, we would have over a million km2 of land. Over 3,000 km of coast. Over a hundred billion barrels of oil. All to ourselves... that's not acceptable to Ethiopia or Kenya. They're multi ethnic empires and colonial states.

This map is what the region could possibly look like thanks the secessionist fire we would spark in Ethiopia. As you can see WE benefit by just being by ourselves. We get the most land and coast without any foreign influence at all

This is what we should wish for.

 

[Raage]

Say you're Cushitic irl and you will look like you have autism. I don't care about any Cushitic people except for Somalis.

 

[YourBroMoe]

I'm not for Cushitic Unity as well. But not because of thirsting for women, but because of simple population statistics.

Somalia as a whole has about 10 million people. If we were absorbed in this unity, we'd end up risking our existence as a whole.

Also, cultural conquest would probably occur as well.

I don't got any hate for other Horners, cause I was born in Canada and don't know the degree of the political situation back home. I just know we've been killing each other for centuries and us saying Kumbaya and Hakuna Matata ain't gonna change shit in a generation.

 

[YourBroMoe]

Somalia is in no position whatsoever to help Ogaden. Even at its strongest, it failed. I’m sorry, it’s high time someone told you that.

Western colonialism divided Somalis across four countries, but that happened to tons of African ethnicities, and it’s something that cannot be helped.

You’re part of Ethiopia now, and it’s up to you to gain your representation within it and better conditions for your people. At least you have a country that is not a failed state. That is, if you’re even from there, which I doubt.

That's a pretty negative point of view. Also unrealistic to real change that would be good for Somalis as a whole.

If Somalis are a minority in Ethiopia, and predominantly live in Ogaden.
And they are currently being harassed there.
And the land is currently occupied in Ethiopia.
And said harassers are nationalistically Ethiopian.

Then your reasoning is flawed.

You said that his point of view is delusional because of past events that resulted in Somalia (during Barre's dictatorship) losing in the Ogaden war. This loss made it so that Somalis should gain political representation within Ethiopia in Ogaden, to improve their quality of life.

But from my points above, this political representation seems just as delusional as getting the land back from Ethiopia.

I find your position to be equally deluded.

 

[VixR]

That's a pretty negative point of view. Also unrealistic to real change that would be good for Somalis as a whole.

If Somalis are a minority in Ethiopia, and predominantly live in Ogaden.
And they are currently being harassed there.
And the land is currently occupied in Ethiopia.
And said harassers are nationalistically Ethiopian.

Then your reasoning is flawed.

You said that his point of view is delusional because of past events that resulted in Somalia (during Barre's dictatorship) losing in the Ogaden war. This loss made it so that Somalis should gain political representation within Ethiopia in Ogaden, to improve their quality of life.

But from my points above, this political representation seems just as delusional as getting the land back from Ethiopia.

I find your position to be equally deluded.

What’s deluded is expecting to gain that territory for Somalia. It’s overwhelmingly obvious that will not be the case, and yet these posters are of a deluded expansionist mindset on the argument that Somalis reside in those lands.

If that were an argument, so many countries wouldve gained the lands of their ethnic spillover. The scramble is over. Borders are locked and sealed in our era.

If anything, it’s more likely that a country may lose a territory, but to gain one is highly improbable.

To that effect, to have both instances occur where Ethiopia loses Ogaden, and Somalia gains it are practically null.

That being said, the conditions of ethnic groups, of which there are many in Ethiopia, is something that always becomes paramount to survival as a country thrives economically. And hats off to them for keeping it together, because Somalia can barely deal with 1 and all the “.5”.

If Ethiopia cannot provide representation and a sense national unity for one if it’s largest regions as it continues to gain a foothold in the African and World economy at large, that will hold it back for certain.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

But from my points above, this political representation seems just as delusional as getting the land back from Ethiopia.

Exactly, Somalis aren't having any strong impact at all. Officials abuse them and Oromos expanding in their lands.

 

[VixR]

Exactly, Somalis aren't having any strong impact at all. Officials abuse them and Oromos expanding in their lands.

They will have to.

I know many will hate this comparison, but it’s like AAs in US history, or the issue of Hindutva the non-Hindu Indian Muslim minority is facing currently in another modernizing country, India.

If they don’t, Ogaden will become another Palestine-esque situation where desperate people are weaponized using religion.

 

[YourBroMoe]

What’s deluded is expecting to gain that territory for Somalia. It’s overwhelmingly obvious that will not be the case, and yet these posters are of a deluded expansionist mindset on the argument that Somalis reside in those lands.

If that were an argument, so many countries wouldve gained the lands of their ethnic spillover. The scramble is over. Borders are locked and sealed in our era.

If anything, it’s more likely that a country may lose a territory, but to gain one is highly improbable.

To that effect, to have both instances occur where Ethiopia loses Ogaden, and Somalia gains it are practically null.

That being said, the conditions of ethnic groups, of which there are many in Ethiopia, is something that always becomes paramount to survival as a country thrives economically. And hats off to them for keeping it together, because Somalia can barely deal with 1 and all the “.5”.

If Ethiopia cannot provide representation and a sense national unity for one if it’s largest regions as it continues to gain a foothold in the African and World economy at large, that will hold it back for certain.

From what I currently see when it comes to that "Somali representation" within Ogaden, believing in that is as much a pipe dream as believing Somalis will claim the land back.

Also, it's flawed to think that ethnic representation has any basis for a country's success, both economically or politically in the continental and international scale.

Simply look to the United States as an example.

It's a glorious nation, objectively speaking. An international powerhouse. A nation with an economical reach that's international.

And yet, minority representation is abysmal. Racism is still prevalent in the country.

Case in point:

1. The prison industrial complex.
2. Border control issues south of the country.
3. Racial profiling that still exists within the country.
4. Political leaders, up to the president himself saying racist things, which highlights the complete lack of disregard there is for minorities in the United States.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not blind to the many successes the US has gone through to get better in this regard.

However, minority representation has objectively, had nothing to do with the economical success in the US.

Immigrants coming in for work has helped. Still doesn't give the supposedly needed minority representation.

And since this is the case for a nation as large and stable as the United States, believing Ethiopia to give Somalis decent political representation is deluded.