The Somali ethnicity and language probably emerged in Southern Somalia

[Thegoodshepherd]

@Apollo the recent Darood migration south has blinded most Somalis to this idea. Your theory about the adoption of the camel is very preceptive and has a lot of merit. The area from Hargeisa to Galgaduud, the hawd, is perfect for camel husbandry. The spread of Somalis north makes sense from this point of view.

The camel was introduced to Northern Somali by Yemenis about 2000-2500 years ago. This opening of a new frontier can explain the language divergence between Maay and Maxa Tiri.

https://books.google.com/books?id=V...MKHcjKC9IQ6AEIJDAA#v=onepage&q=Somali&f=false

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

@Apollo the recent Darood migration south has blinded most Somalis to this idea. Your theory about the adoption of the camel is very preceptive and has a lot of merit. The area from Hargeisa to Galgaduud, the hawd, is perfect for camel husbandry. The spread of Somalis north makes sense from this point of view.

The camel was introduced to Northern Somali by Yemenis about 2000-2500 years ago. This opening of a new frontier can explain the language divergence between Maay and Maxa Tiri.

https://books.google.com/books?id=V...MKHcjKC9IQ6AEIJDAA#v=onepage&q=Somali&f=false

Amuns theory is not new. Ali Jimale and others have written about this before:

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

I don't believe that you can extrapolate the ancient origins of a language group where every member of the language family is highly nomadic with a history of long migrations using data based on the modern distribution of those languages.

The southern origin theory is based on linguistic evidence with no supporting archaeological or historical basis.

Not only linguistics, but also the cultural and genealogical ties between groups like the Rendille and Somali which would suggest proto Somali culture developed in the South/South West. If the Somalis came from the North as recently as the Qabilist history suggests,Somali culture would be as divergent from Rendille as Oromo is from
the aforementioned groups. A more Southern origin also better explains the transition from large scale cattle-herding into camel herding.

The strongest Somali folklore says Somalis were SACMAAl and Sab(SabSab), names and lifestyles which revolve around herding large amounts of cattle, the South and South west being a more suitable place to practice this, not the North.

Then you have the folklore which suggests the North was dominated by Somali hunter gatherers and priestly groups (Yibir, Madhibaan, Gabooye) which backs up Apollo’s theory..Northern Somali dialect had contact with some kind of Afar-like and Yemeni-like speakers according to some.....Obviously, all of this is Suugo Science....,,The Suugo has a strong smell though......

Are you familiar with Gunter Schlee’s work?

 

[Apollo]

Not only linguistics, but also the cultural and genealogical ties between groups like the Rendille and Somali which would suggest proto Somali culture developed in the South/South West. Are you familiar with Gunter Schlee’s work?

Not too close to Omotics though. Within what is now Somalia, not Ethiopia.

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

Not too close to Omotics though. Within what is now Somalia, not Ethiopia.

So how do you explain weird languages like Baiso in Ethiopia having a Somali link? You are saying the Borana and these groups are a product of proto-Somalia leaving S Somalia and mixing with Omotics?

 

[Apollo]

So how do you explain weird languages like Baiso in Ethiopia having a Somali link? You are saying the Borana and these groups are a product of proto-Somalia leaving S Somalia and mixing with Omotics?

Somalis are ancestral to them and in the original form while they are something new.

People from Somalia went to that area. One group shows to be Omotic + LE Cushitic while the other is just LE Cushitic. Clearly, who is ancestral to who is obvious.

 

[Pastoralite]

@Apollo the recent Darood migration south has blinded most Somalis to this idea. Your theory about the adoption of the camel is very preceptive and has a lot of merit. The area from Hargeisa to Galgaduud, the hawd, is perfect for camel husbandry. The spread of Somalis north makes sense from this point of view.

The camel was introduced to Northern Somali by Yemenis about 2000-2500 years ago. This opening of a new frontier can explain the language divergence between Maay and Maxa Tiri.

https://books.google.com/books?id=V...MKHcjKC9IQ6AEIJDAA#v=onepage&q=Somali&f=false

So before the camels wuz we cowjires?

 

[Pastoralite]

Somalis are ancestral to them and in the original form while they are something new.

People from Somalia went to that area. One group shows to be Omotic + LE Cushitic while the other is just LE Cushitic. Clearly, who is ancestral to who is obvious.

Do you think the Oromo language originated from af maay?

 

[Apollo]

Do you think the Oromo language originated from af maay?

Oromos are Somalis who went Southwest first, mixed with Omotics, created the Boranas, and then moved Northwards and mixed with Agaws and Habeshas.

Today, you can't call them Somali at all. They are something else now.

 

[Baliska]

@Apollo you know your shit walaal. I didn't know about these migrations.

 

[GBTarmy]

@Apollo how was land of punt not in Somalia when we had the best frankincense the egyptians wanted? The land of myrrh and incense, it was in Somalia.

 

[Pastoralite]

@Apollo have you found any more info backing up our southern origins?

 

[embarassing]

Almost all Somali clans had a north to south migration. I've noticed many assume north just means modern day northern Somalia, it includes northern western Somalia (galbeed). After the fall of Adal and the oromo expansion many Somalis were pushed out or assimilated.

 

[Malikfiqi]

No, most likely 0% or less than 1%. I was speaking in general, as not all Somalis are the same.

Kenyan Somalis have this mostly. While Somalis from Somalia do not, at least based on what I have seen so far.

Kenyan Somalis moved there less than 300 years ago during the Marehan migration southward

 

[Apollo]

Kenyan Somalis moved there less than 300 years ago during the Marehan migration southward

Not the Garre types. Those lived there for maybe over two thousand years.

 

[Malikfiqi]

Not the Garre types. Those lived there for maybe over two thousand years.

Not sure about those tribes but the sheekhal,Marehan and Ajuuran moved into Kenya recently. But the garre and degodia not sure

 

[aydurus abdi]

Not sure about those tribes but the sheekhal,Marehan and Ajuuran moved into Kenya recently. But the garre and degodia not sure

what about ogaaden? they are the biggest tribe there.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

@aydurus abdi The Ogaden are the most immigrants into NFD. They have been there a maximum of 130 years. The Degodia are also fairly recent.

 

[aydurus abdi]

@aydurus abdi The Ogaden are the most immigrants into NFD. They have been there a maximum of 130 years. The Degodia are also fairly recent.

Ogaden is the biggest, have been there far longer than the other irrelevant tribes mentioned. "recent" kulaha. tribes like makaahiil and cawliyahan owns gariis and wajiir both the biggest cities. The other dude said 300 years, so im gonna agree with that one. degodia are only limited to the north. ogaden owns more thatn half nfd,

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

Ajuuran aren’t recent compared to Darood clans. They probably originate around the Somalia/Ethiopia/Kenya border areas.