The Orma ethnic group

[Timo Jareer and proud]

According to Wikipedia, the Orma people are a sub group of Oromos. Who inhabit North East Kenya and Southern Somalia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orma_people

Is the Orma People's existences evidences that Oromos where once native to Southern Somalia?

 

[Nilotufian]

Our ancestors left the forests and gentle hills of the Omo Valley and Bale for marginal arid scrublands (Somali peninsula) ~ this time frame most likely coincides the split from other lowland Eastern Cushitic groups such as Oromos. Basically we were there first. The Oromo expansion was from 1500s onwards.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Our ancestors left the forests and gentle hills of the Omo Valley and Bale for marginal arid scrublands (Somali peninsula) ~ this time frame most likely coincides the split from other lowland Eastern Cushitic groups such as Oromos. Basically we were there first. The Oromo expansion was from 1500s onwards.

Wait, I thought Somalis originated on the coast of Somaliland?

 

[Nilotufian]

Wait, I thought Somalis originated on the coast of Somaliland?

The Proto-Somali homeland is Southern Ethiopia.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

The Proto-Somali homeland is Southern Ethiopia. View attachment 59833

When did we migrate from Ethiopia?

 

[Nilotufian]

When did we migrate from Ethiopia?

In the 1st-2nd centuries ad

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

In the 1st-2nd centuries ad

Oh, so this basically disproves the whole, We Wuz Puntiez And Shieet people huh?

 

[Nilotufian]

Oh, so this basically disproves the whole, We Wuz Puntiez And Shieet people huh?

Right. No one is even sure where the "Land of Punt" was and even if it were in what is now Somalia, it's people were not the ancestors of Somalis.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Right. No one is even sure where the "Land of Punt" was and even if it were in what is now Somalia, it's people were not the ancestors of Somalis.

Do you know of any pre islamic period empire's or society's in Somalia?

 

[Nilotufian]

Do you know of any pre islamic period empire's or society's in Somalia?

Somalis did not coalesce as an ethnic group until some centuries after Islam.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Somalis did not coalesce as an ethnic group until some centuries after Islam.

So we did not even exist pre 7th century?

 

[Nilotufian]

So we did not even exist pre 7th century?

As an ethnic group. Just like there weren't any French or English before Christ.

 

[madaxweyne]

Somalis did not coalesce as an ethnic group until some centuries after Islam.[/QUOTE
Saxib as far as am aware afars somalis oromos were all cushetics and puntis where just cushetics people's before everyone split

 

[World]

Our ancestors left the forests and gentle hills of the Omo Valley and Bale for marginal arid scrublands (Somali peninsula) ~ this time frame most likely coincides the split from other lowland Eastern Cushitic groups such as Oromos. Basically we were there first. The Oromo expansion was from 1500s onwards.

Then why do Somalis lack Omotic admixture whilst every other group in the Horn of Africa has it? Somalis didn’t enter Ethiopia during our migration Cushitic migration from Egypt/Sudan, but entered Somalia through the Red Sea.

 

[Nilotufian]

Then why do Somalis lack Omotic admixture whilst every other group in the Horn of Africa has it? Somalis didn’t enter Ethiopia during our migration Cushitic migration from Egypt/Sudan, but entered Somalia through the Red Sea.

Omotics were indigenous to the highlands, no?

 

[World]

Omotics inhabited the highlands, no?

All Cushitic groups still residing in the Omo Valle/Bale have Omotic admixture, even the Oromos from the lowlands of Borana have it. Even the Orma group that the OP is talking about has Omotic admixture, which they passed on to the Ogaden who conquered and mixed with them in the Jubba Valley/Garissa. What this shows is that us Somalis were a very isolated group and that we couldn’t have inhabited Southern Ethiopia.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

All Cushitic groups still residing in the Omo Valle/Bale have Omotic admixture, even the Oromos from the lowlands of Borana have it. Even the Orma group that the OP is talking about has Omotic admixture, which they passed on to the Ogaden who conquered and mixed with them in the Jubba Valley/Garissa. What this shows is that us Somalis were a very isolated group and that we couldn’t have inhabited Southern Ethiopia.

Us migrating to Somalia from the red sea makes more sence. Never heard of a ethnic group in southern Ethiopia that carries T1a at all, unlike Somalis.

 

[Apollo]

Ormas have nothing to do with Somalia and are not native to Somalia. They are native to Kenya and or South Ethiopia.

Then why do Somalis lack Omotic admixture whilst every other group in the Horn of Africa has it? Somalis didn’t enter Ethiopia during our migration Cushitic migration from Egypt/Sudan, but entered Somalia through the Red Sea.

All Cushitic groups still residing in the Omo Valle/Bale have Omotic admixture, even the Oromos from the lowlands of Borana have it. Even the Orma group that the OP is talking about has Omotic admixture, which they passed on to the Ogaden who conquered and mixed with them in the Jubba Valley/Garissa. What this shows is that us Somalis were a very isolated group and that we couldn’t have inhabited Southern Ethiopia.

Correct.

Only this guy knows his shit.

 

[Apollo]

Us migrating to Somalia from the red sea makes more sence. Never heard of a ethnic group in southern Ethiopia that carries T1a at all, unlike Somalis.

They have T1a.. It's all over East Africa at low percentages, but that's from Somaloids migrating there. Not the other way around.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

They have T1a.. It's all over East Africa at low percentages, but that's from Somaloids migrating there. Not the other way around.

Really? Never knew Omotic people carry T1a.