The origin of the name Somali

[Libaaxseendheer]

Mainstream theory:

Samaale, the oldest common ancestor of several Somali clans, is generally regarded as the source of the ethnonym Somali. The name "Somali" is, in turn, held to be derived from the words soo and maal, which together mean "go and milk" — a reference to the ubiquitous pastoralism of the Somali people.[49] Another plausible etymology proposes that the term Somali is derived from the Arabic for "wealthy" (dhawamaal), again referring to Somali riches in livestock.[50]

Alternatively, the ethnonym Somali is believed to have been derived from the Automoli (Asmach), a group of warriors from ancient Egypt described by Herodotus, who were likely of Meshwesh origin according to Flinders Petrie. Asmach is thought to have been their Egyptian name, with Automoli being a Greek derivative of the Hebrew word Semoli (meaning "on the left hand side").[51]

An Ancient Chinese document from the 9th century CE referred to the northern Somalia coast — which was then part of a broader region in Northeast Africa known as Barbara, in reference to the area's Berber (Cushitic) inhabitants[52] — as Po-pa-li.[53][54] The first clear written reference of the sobriquet Somali, however, dates back to the 15th century. During the conflict between the Sultanate of Ifat based at Zeila and the Solomonic Dynasty, the Abyssinian emperor had one of his court officials compose a hymn celebrating a military victory over the Sultan of Ifat's eponymous troops.[55] Simur was also an ancient Harari alias for the Somali people.[56]

Libaaxseendheer's interpretations:

The people of the horn africa have been known indiscriminately as berbers since the 1st century AD .Theyve been referred to as such by a greek traveller and author of the book Periplus of the Erythrean Sea. And since then the region was known as bilad albarbar. The last mention or designation of the people of the horn of africa as berber was by Moroccan explorer Ibn Batuta, when he arrived at zeilac in 1330 AD.

The first mention of the name somali in any text was in the Futuh Al Habesh written in the early 1500s and ever since, it has replaced the one thousand three hundred and 30 year standing( possibly even longer) name of berber:From the Periplus to Ibn Batuta.What took place in that span of time, between 1330 and 1500? What took place in that period of 200 years that has completely changed the name of the region? Who was born at that time?
Isma'il Al Jabarti the sufi saint known to the entire islamic world was born 722 hijri/1322 AD and passed the 15th of Rajab 806 hijri/1406 AD. He fathered Dawud bin Isma'il who immigrated to northern somalia. He there married Dombira from the the Eisa Dir. His lineage was called Isma'ili and his host/supporter tribes adopted his name. In essence a caliphate was born. In a caliphate the royal family's name is taken on by the subject people, like the Abbasids. The royal blood have lineal claims to the Abbas Ibn Abdul-Muttalib, while the supporters were only politically Abbasid.

In the book Futuh Al Habesh. The majority of the High Ranking Generals called somali were all Darood(Mataan, Nur, Hirabu etc). The second most involved somali tribe were the Dir. This Explains the old somali saying "somali is dir and daarood". The somali identity started from the dir and daarood and spread, engulfing the other berber tribes and it is noteworthy that even today more and more cushite/berbers are being incorporated(rahanweyn). It would seem that in the future many more cushites shall be absorbed into the somali identity.

Theres need to to mention a most heinous fabrication that has begun to circulate in the somali community, one that has not even a complete century of existence. That is the samaal hiil abroon nonesense that is being concocted in broad daylight. There are several faults in this 20th century legend. I shall list them as follows.

soomaali or samaale was not a people encountered in the horn of africa prior to 1500. The arabs dont record a somali nor do the romans and certainly the greeks have not either. The hawiye(one of the the supposed descendants of samaale) were not consider to be part of the somali identity(because as we've stated before, it was a political caliphate similar to the Abbasids and others) although they were considered to be part of the berber identity by Ibn batuta. i cannot stress enough: Every somali was a berber but not every berber was part of the somali caliphate . The somali caliphate is a growing identity that absorbed many cushites of the region and it is still growing as rahanweyn have now become part of the caliphate and many oromos that live amongst the somali are adopting the somali identity). Lastly, samaale could not have been the one born in that window of change period of 1330-1500 because zeila and berbera were booming ports thousands of years prior and we both agree ghosts weren't working the docks. It was the Dir, the supposed grandson of samaale ,who lived in those cities. Now tell me how a grandson could be alive before his grandfather?

In conclusion, the strongest theory of the origin of the name somali is Isma'il bin Ibrahim Aljabarti.

@Crow @Farm @Abdalla @DR OSMAN @Reiko @PuntiteQueen @MSGA @Reer-Bari @Shaolin23 @Teeri-Alpha @diaby @Manzana @Ferrari

 

[Samaalic Era]

The people of the horn africa have been known indiscriminately as berbers since the 1st century AD .Theyve been referred to as such by a greek traveller and author of the book Periplus of the Erythrean Sea. And since then the region was known as bilad albarbar. The last mention or designation of the people of the horn of africa as berber was by Moroccan explorer Ibn Batuta, when he arrived at zeilac in 1330 AD.

The first mention of the name somali in any text was in the Futuh Al Habesh written in the early 1500s and ever since, it has replaced the one thousand three hundred and 30 year standing( possibly even longer) name of berber:From the Periplus to Ibn Batuta.What took place in that span of time, between 1330 and 1500? What took place in that period of 200 years that has completely changed the name of the region? Who was born at that time?
Isma'il Al Jabarti the sufi saint known to the entire islamic world was born 722 hijri/1322 AD and passed the 15th of Rajab 806 hijri/1406 AD. He fathered Dawud bin Isma'il who immigrated to northern somalia. He there married Dombira from the the Eisa Dir. His lineage was called Isma'ili and his host/supporter tribes adopted his name. In essence a caliphate was born. In a caliphate the royal family's name is taken on by the subject people, like the Abbasids. The royal blood have lineal claims to the Abbas Ibn Abdul-Muttalib, while the supporters were only politically Abbasid.

In the book Futuh Al Habesh. The majority of the High Ranking Generals called somali were all Darood(Mataan, Nur, Hirabu etc). The second most involved somali tribe were the Dir. This Explains the old somali saying "somali is dir and daarood". The somali identity started from the dir and daarood and spread, engulfing the other berber tribes and it is noteworthy that even today more and more cushite/berbers are being incorporated(rahanweyn). It would seem that in the future many more cushites shall be absorbed into the somali identity.

Theres need to to mention a most heinous fabrication that has begun to circulate in the somali community, one that has not even a complete century of existence. That is the samaal hiil abroon nonesense that is being concocted in broad daylight. There are several faults in this 20th century legend. I shall list them as follows.

soomaali or samaale was not a people encountered in the horn of africa prior to 1500. The arabs dont record a somali nor do the romans and certainly the greeks have not either. The hawiye(one of the the supposed descendants of samaale) were not consider to be part of the somali identity(because as we've stated before, it was a political caliphate similar to the Abbasids and others) although they were considered to be part of the berber identity by Ibn batuta. i cannot stress enough: Every somali was a berber but not every berber was part of the somali caliphate . The somali caliphate is a growing identity that absorbed many cushites of the region and it is still growing as rahanweyn have now become part of the caliphate and many oromos that live amongst the somali are adopting the somali identity). Lastly, samaale could not have been the one born in that window of change period of 1330-1500 because zeila and berbera were booming ports thousands of years prior and we both agree ghosts weren't working the docks. It was the Dir, the supposed grandson of samaale ,who lived in those cities. Now tell me how a grandson could be alive before his grandfather?

In conclusion, the strongest theory of the origin of the name somali is Isma'il bin Ibrahim Aljabarti.

@Crow @Farm @Abdalla @DR OSMAN @Reiko @PuntiteQueen @MSGA @Reer-Bari @Shaolin23 @Teeri-Alpha @diaby @Manzana @Ferrari

Hawiye is the grandson of Samaale and Somalia is derived from Samaale the same way Israel is derived from Israa'il. Also Ahmed Gurey was Karanle Hawiye and they still live in the Galbeed region

 

[4head]

So you be saying dat WE WUZ BERBERS?

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Hawiye is the grandson of Samaale and Somalia is derived from Samaale the same way Israel is derived from Israa'il. Also Ahmed Gurey was Karanle Hawiye and they still live in the Galbeed region

Yeah, the funny thing is thats more reason to believe my theory. Reading the book the futuh alhabesh, ahmed gurey is obviously not somali for he is not once called alsomali like many other generals were. It would appear that thats when the hawiye were begun to be incorporated in large in the somali identity. The rahanweyn have just recently been somalized and God knows what other tribes will be somalized in the future.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

The people of the horn africa have been known indiscriminately as berbers since the 1st century AD .Theyve been referred to as such by a greek traveller and author of the book Periplus of the Erythrean Sea. And since then the region was known as bilad albarbar. The last mention or designation of the people of the horn of africa as berber was by Moroccan explorer Ibn Batuta, when he arrived at zeilac in 1330 AD.

The first mention of the name somali in any text was in the Futuh Al Habesh written in the early 1500s and ever since, it has replaced the one thousand three hundred and 30 year standing( possibly even longer) name of berber:From the Periplus to Ibn Batuta.What took place in that span of time, between 1330 and 1500? What took place in that period of 200 years that has completely changed the name of the region? Who was born at that time?
Isma'il Al Jabarti the sufi saint known to the entire islamic world was born 722 hijri/1322 AD and passed the 15th of Rajab 806 hijri/1406 AD. He fathered Dawud bin Isma'il who immigrated to northern somalia. He there married Dombira from the the Eisa Dir. His lineage was called Isma'ili and his host/supporter tribes adopted his name. In essence a caliphate was born. In a caliphate the royal family's name is taken on by the subject people, like the Abbasids. The royal blood have lineal claims to the Abbas Ibn Abdul-Muttalib, while the supporters were only politically Abbasid.

In the book Futuh Al Habesh. The majority of the High Ranking Generals called somali were all Darood(Mataan, Nur, Hirabu etc). The second most involved somali tribe were the Dir. This Explains the old somali saying "somali is dir and daarood". The somali identity started from the dir and daarood and spread, engulfing the other berber tribes and it is noteworthy that even today more and more cushite/berbers are being incorporated(rahanweyn). It would seem that in the future many more cushites shall be absorbed into the somali identity.

Theres need to to mention a most heinous fabrication that has begun to circulate in the somali community, one that has not even a complete century of existence. That is the samaal hiil abroon nonesense that is being concocted in broad daylight. There are several faults in this 20th century legend. I shall list them as follows.

soomaali or samaale was not a people encountered in the horn of africa prior to 1500. The arabs dont record a somali nor do the romans and certainly the greeks have not either. The hawiye(one of the the supposed descendants of samaale) were not consider to be part of the somali identity(because as we've stated before, it was a political caliphate similar to the Abbasids and others) although they were considered to be part of the berber identity by Ibn batuta. i cannot stress enough: Every somali was a berber but not every berber was part of the somali caliphate . The somali caliphate is a growing identity that absorbed many cushites of the region and it is still growing as rahanweyn have now become part of the caliphate and many oromos that live amongst the somali are adopting the somali identity). Lastly, samaale could not have been the one born in that window of change period of 1330-1500 because zeila and berbera were booming ports thousands of years prior and we both agree ghosts weren't working the docks. It was the Dir, the supposed grandson of samaale ,who lived in those cities. Now tell me how a grandson could be alive before his grandfather?

In conclusion, the strongest theory of the origin of the name somali is Isma'il bin Ibrahim Aljabarti.

@Crow @Farm @Abdalla @DR OSMAN @Reiko @PuntiteQueen @MSGA @Reer-Bari @Shaolin23 @Teeri-Alpha @diaby @Manzana @Ferrari

what a load of bollox,

abdirahman AkA darood ismale al jabarti trraces his lineage to mohamed ibn aqiil ibn abi talib, in other words, ali ibn talibs older brother aqiil,

and also my ancestors abdirahman islmael jabarti was not a sufi

the family crossed hijaaz, todays makkah and medina, then came to yemen around 900 AD and then stayed there and came over to todays puntland/sanaag, and centuries later darood would expan from there, absame/ogadne would end up taming ogadneiya and jubaland and nfd centuries later,

we know the jabarti family came from yemen and stayed in yemen after coming from hijaz as abdirahman isamel jabarti had a brother who went to eriteria called mehri darood and one went back to syria,

in the 90s there jabarti tribe in syria arggued to the syrian state to allow darood to be given visa after the civil war, even hawiye were claiming darood so they can be allowed to stay in syria,

reer abdirahman ibn jabarti, an egytian whow rote the book aqiiliyoon, in the 1700s,

i ocne met a saudi dude caled something jabarti and asked him what is jabarti, he said its our sub clan and we are all over the middelseat specially yemen, southern saudi and syria and egypt and somal and eriteria,

but the great sheikh was not a sufi, he was a sunni, we are not sufis, please dont insult my ancestor,

by the way, the first emntion of the word somali is around the 1430s if i am not wrong, in writing, it was the ethiopia king who was talking about how he went to war with the somalis,

why are we called so maal? it means go and milk, maybe to do with how we pratice camel herding,

tumaal, means black smith, metal worker

biomaal, someone who trades water, so maybe just maybe we somalis were called so as we traded water, and maybe the tumaal we dominated and the biomaal trading in metal/blackmsith and water respectfully,

ibn batuta does call us somaal and did go to xamra in the 1300s and talks about the ajuuraan kingdom,

when umar ibn khataab was getting letters during his reign, we were referred as just muslim,

the greeks called us macrobians in the 300 Bc, it just means tall people who lived between Ethiopian and indian ocean, the speak about how our king told cambaysis to f off around the 525 Bc when he threatened us our king sent him an arrow and told him if you can untangle it you can invade me,

when the habashi and suadan and Egyptians were bowing for Cyrus and taking gifts to iran, somalis did not go so we were never conquered by the Persians, by the ahmaar were conquered as you can see in Iran today, Persepolis habahsi kings bringing gifts,


what is a somaal? who knows, but the people were muslims before darood came along, we had islam and sending letters to umar ibn khattab in 637, darood i believe came around the year late 1100 maybe early 1200s i dont think its 1300s because jidwaq was th ehad of Absame and we were karbashing ahmaar and oromo by late 1400s early 1500s, and no way can we have enough man power between 1300 and ,late 1400s for absame to be fighting, perhaps between 110 and 1400s is normal, yuo can get a large tribe by then,

absam was still living in sanaag with all daroods by 1300s, no way,

think about it, i can count around 34 or 36 names to darood,

10 generation waa average 250 years, 36 waa around 900 years roughly,

i count about 21 names to mohamed zubeer give or take thats around 500-600 years, i seriously, thin darood was around 1000 -1100 AD about 900 to 1,000 years ago,

 

[Samaalic Era]

Yeah, the funny thing is thats more reason to believe my theory. Reading the book the futuh alhabesh, ahmed gurey is obviously not somali for he is not once called alsomali like many other generals were. It would appear that thats when the hawiye were begun to be incorporated in large in the somali identity. The rahanweyn have just recently been somalized and God knows what other tribes will be somalized in the future.

How could we be incorparated when your the one who supposedly lost your arabic language for Af-Somali and were Somalized

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Yeah, the funny thing is thats more reason to believe my theory. Reading the book the futuh alhabesh, ahmed gurey is obviously not somali for he is not once called alsomali like many other generals were. It would appear that thats when the hawiye were begun to be incorporated in large in the somali identity. The rahanweyn have just recently been somalized and God knows what other tribes will be somalized in the future.

fathul habash mentions marehan, absame, not once do they use somaali maybe because we wer fighting as muslimns and we had hararis, canfaar, saxo, many cushtics, mostly somali and hararis,

jidwaq, bartire, abaskuul were all mentioned, maybe becasue we each had ourt own kingdom,

ogaden was langab in the early 1500s, we were under the leadership of our eldest bartire/jidwaq who were our royal family, in fact it was jidwaq that moved us absame from sanaag when we had beef with harti about who would rule as king of darood, yall said us we say hell no, bartire moved us, it was a blessing, we moved to avoud shedding bloody of our harti cousins and in return Allah gave us ogadeniya, jubaland and nfd,

in deed the children of Absame were honored by Allah, batire was our king, dhulbahante lead harti, we could not agree who would be king of darood, this was the last time darood was truly ever united as a tribe, after that it became to big,

absame/ kuumade took marehan with us and gerri koombe and harti kept the other darood yaryar,


where you ever you see jidwaq/ogaden you will find gerri koombe, specially abyones,

 

[Fiidmeer]

what a load of bollox,

abdirahman AkA darood ismale al jabarti trraces his lineage to mohamed ibn aqiil ibn abi talib, in other words, ali ibn talibs older brother aqiil,

and also my ancestors abdirahman islmael jabarti was not a sufi

the family crossed hijaaz, todays makkah and medina, then came to yemen around 900 AD and then stayed there and came over to todays puntland/sanaag, and centuries later darood would expan from there, absame/ogadne would end up taming ogadneiya and jubaland and nfd centuries later,

we know the jabarti family came from yemen and stayed in yemen after coming from hijaz as abdirahman isamel jabarti had a brother who went to eriteria called mehri darood and one went back to syria,

in the 90s there jabarti tribe in syria arggued to the syrian state to allow darood to be given visa after the civil war, even hawiye were claiming darood so they can be allowed to stay in syria,

reer abdirahman ibn jabarti, an egytian whow rote the book aqiiliyoon, in the 1700s,

i ocne met a saudi dude caled something jabarti and asked him what is jabarti, he said its our sub clan and we are all over the middelseat specially yemen, southern saudi and syria and egypt and somal and eriteria,

but the great sheikh was not a sufi, he was a sunni, we are not sufis, please dont insult my ancestor,

by the way, the first emntion of the word somali is around the 1430s if i am not wrong, in writing, it was the ethiopia king who was talking about how he went to war with the somalis,

why are we called so maal? it means go and milk, maybe to do with how we pratice camel herding,

tumaal, means black smith, metal worker

biomaal, someone who trades water, so maybe just maybe we somalis were called so as we traded water, and maybe the tumaal we dominated and the biomaal trading in metal/blackmsith and water respectfully,

ibn batuta does call us somaal and did go to xamra in the 1300s and talks about the ajuuraan kingdom,

when umar ibn khataab was getting letters during his reign, we were referred as just muslim,

the greeks called us macrobians in the 300 Bc, it just means tall people who lived between Ethiopian and indian ocean, the speak about how our king told cambaysis to f off around the 525 Bc when he threatened us our king sent him an arrow and told him if you can untangle it you can invade me,

when the habashi and suadan and Egyptians were bowing for Cyrus and taking gifts to iran, somalis did not go so we were never conquered by the Persians, by the ahmaar were conquered as you can see in Iran today, Persepolis habahsi kings bringing gifts,


what is a somaal? who knows, but the people were muslims before darood came along, we had islam and sending letters to umar ibn khattab in 637, darood i believe came around the year late 1100 maybe early 1200s i dont think its 1300s because jidwaq was th ehad of Absame and we were karbashing ahmaar and oromo by late 1400s early 1500s, and no way can we have enough man power between 1300 and ,late 1400s for absame to be fighting, perhaps between 110 and 1400s is normal, yuo can get a large tribe by then,

absam was still living in sanaag with all daroods by 1300s, no way,

think about it, i can count around 34 or 36 names to darood,

10 generation waa average 250 years, 36 waa around 900 years roughly,

i count about 21 names to mohamed zubeer give or take thats around 500-600 years, i seriously, thin darood was around 1000 -1100 AD about 900 to 1,000 years ago,

How is 36 names around 900 years when banu Hashim Arabs count 44 to Prophet's (SAW) time?

 

[Farjano-Walad]

fathul habash mentions marehan, absame, not once do they use somaali maybe because we wer fighting as muslimns and we had hararis, canfaar, saxo, many cushtics, mostly somali and hararis,

jidwaq, bartire, abaskuul were all mentioned, maybe becasue we each had ourt own kingdom,

ogaden was langab in the early 1500s, we were under the leadership of our eldest bartire/jidwaq who were our royal family, in fact it was jidwaq that moved us absame from sanaag when we had beef with harti about who would rule as king of darood, yall said us we say hell no, bartire moved us, it was a blessing, we moved to avoud shedding bloody of our harti cousins and in return Allah gave us ogadeniya, jubaland and nfd,

in deed the children of Absame were honored by Allah, batire was our king, dhulbahante lead harti, we could not agree who would be king of darood, this was the last time darood was truly ever united as a tribe, after that it became to big,

absame/ kuumade took marehan with us and gerri koombe and harti kept the other darood yaryar,


where you ever you see jidwaq/ogaden you will find gerri koombe, specially abyones,

this is one of the reaosn Absame /ogaden has always done his own thing, and doesn't rely on darood, becasue we remember the day we left sanaag,

in 1850s harti/Mj tried to talk to us, they came to qbridahar to speak about darood king leaders, to make it offical and pick one,

Ugaas nuur cubudiye gave them food and 4 days later told his soldiers to take harti back to the puntland border, we said we are not interested,

ogaden /kuumade/asbame we just didn't need man power, land, influence we could stand on our wo two feet and the ugaas ruled from qoraxey all the way to river tana/jubaland, he was the most powerful somali leader by 1850s and we just didnt need anything,

it was like Portugal offering russia or america an alliance, we just said no, as we also never forgot why Bartire, our original royal family moved us after beef with harti, kuumade became lander in land and people, blessed by the lord of the worlds, master of all creation,

indeed Allah honour the children of Kuumade,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

How is 36 names around 900 years when banu Hashim Arabs count 44 to Prophet's (SAW) time?

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let banu hashim speak for themselves,

no way can a human alive today count an average of 44 awows to nabi moahemd SAW


40 generations waa average 1,000 years if each male gets married around 25 years old, and the nabi SAW was born around 570 AD, dude thats like over 1600 years yet only 44 awow ? no way,

maybe they are skipping some generations?

like the arabs say the nabi is of adnaan, people think ismael is the father of adnaan but adnaan is atleast 4-6 generations removed from isamel, so they may be skipping a few awows just like we do,

yet the nabi SAW would say i am of adnaan then ismale, yet there are several generations, they just skip, just the way hashim is about 8 awows from the nabi,

take me for example, i would say i am moahmed zubeer, after that oagden, yet there is like 19 generations between zubeer and ogaden,


a makahil ogadne would say i am makahil, then ogaden yet between makahil and ogaden is only 5 names, makahil maqabuul miyirwala taqalwaaq ogaden

an camar ogaden skipps too, in fact camar is the great great great uncle of moahemd zubeer yert an camar would say i am camar ogaden,

take the Nbai SAW, when arabs write down his acnesors, they say hashim, abd manaf, adanaan, ismale ibrahim, nuux, adam, they jump many many generations, just to amke it easier,

just my two cent, but i think if poeple alive today counted to the Nabis SAW daughter fatima, ali and their kids, no way can it be 44 awows, unless they jumped a few,

 

[Samaalic Era]

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let banu hashim speak for themselves,

no way can a human alive today count an average of 44 awows to nabi moahemd SAW



40 generations waa average 1,000 years if each male gets married around 25 years old, and the nabi SAW was born around 570 AD, dude thats like over 1600 years yet only 44 awow ? no way,

maybe they are skipping some generations?

like the arabs say the nabi is of adnaan, people think ismael is the father of adnaan but adnaan is atleast 4-6 generations removed from isamel, so they may be skipping a few awows just like we do,

yet the nabi SAW would say i am of adnaan then ismale, yet there are several generations, they just skip, just the way hashim is about 8 awows from the nabi,

take me for example, i would say i am moahmed zubeer, after that oagden, yet there is like 19 generations between zubeer and ogaden,


a makahil ogadne would say i am makahil, then ogaden yet between makahil and ogaden is only 5 names, makahil maqabuul miyirwala taqalwaaq ogaden

an camar ogaden skipps too, in fact camar is the great great great uncle of moahemd zubeer yert an camar would say i am camar ogaden,

take the Nbai SAW, when arabs write down his acnesors, they say hashim, abd manaf, adanaan, ismale ibrahim, nuux, adam, they jump many many generations, just to amke it easier,

just my two cent, but i think if poeple alive today counted to the Nabis SAW daughter fatima, ali and their kids, no way can it be 44 awows, unless they jumped a few,

Ismail pbuh lived 1700 BC and Adnan 500 BC. Its more like 40 generations between Ismail and Adnaan

 

[Farjano-Walad]

How is 36 names around 900 years when banu Hashim Arabs count 44 to Prophet's (SAW) time?

all i know is i count around 36 names to darood,

i count 10 to Ugaas warfa, i know a reer dalla moahemd zubeer female who counts about 6 to ugaas warfa, i have a cousin who counts 11 to ugaas warfa

a man can have more kids youngeer than his brother,

look at calwyahan, Mohamed zubeer and bah gerri, all have same dad, but when moahmed zubeer and calwyahan were already married with kids, their dad married gerri wife, thus bah gerri had 4 kids for them, how can they compete? thus bah gerri 4 lads were same age as mohamed zubeers grand kids when they were getting married,

and some people just have less kids, my awow had 30 kids, 13 boys, his brother died young and had only 2 boys he died around aged 35

how many do you count to sheikh 1door?

and dont get pissed, i can call you 1door, only i can, the way only an 1door can call me caghdeer, no one else can,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Ismail pbuh lived 1700 BC and Adnan 500 BC. Its more like 40 generations between Ismail and Adnaan

Allah knows best,

but yeah i read around 1700-1800, we know ehen nimrod was around anyways,

besides, they say nabi musa AS wasa round 1200-1300 Bc,

if we had a time machine, i would have gone to ancient somalia and actually find out how we lived,

i wonder if they used agah and did dhaanto in 3000 BC

i wonder if we looked the same as we did around roman times,


imagine if we are just mixed with indian and bantus who met each other in the coast,

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

what a load of bollox,

abdirahman AkA darood ismale al jabarti traces his lineage to mohamed ibn aqiil ibn abi talib, in other words, ali ibn talibs older brother aqiil,

and also my ancestors abdirahman islmael jabarti was not a sufi

the family crossed hijaaz, todays makkah and medina, then came to yemen around 900 AD and then stayed there and came over to todays puntland/sanaag, and centuries later darood would expan from there, absame/ogadne would end up taming ogadneiya and jubaland and nfd centuries later,

we know the jabarti family came from yemen and stayed in yemen after coming from hijaz as abdirahman isamel jabarti had a brother who went to eriteria called mehri darood and one went back to syria,

in the 90s there jabarti tribe in syria arggued to the syrian state to allow darood to be given visa after the civil war, even hawiye were claiming darood so they can be allowed to stay in syria,

reer abdirahman ibn jabarti, an egytian whow rote the book aqiiliyoon, in the 1700s,

i ocne met a saudi dude caled something jabarti and asked him what is jabarti, he said its our sub clan and we are all over the middelseat specially yemen, southern saudi and syria and egypt and somal and eriteria,

but the great sheikh was not a sufi, he was a sunni, we are not sufis, please dont insult my ancestor,

by the way, the first emntion of the word somali is around the 1430s if i am not wrong, in writing, it was the ethiopia king who was talking about how he went to war with the somalis,

why are we called so maal? it means go and milk, maybe to do with how we pratice camel herding,

tumaal, means black smith, metal worker

biomaal, someone who trades water, so maybe just maybe we somalis were called so as we traded water, and maybe the tumaal we dominated and the biomaal trading in metal/blackmsith and water respectfully,

ibn batuta does call us somaal and did go to xamra in the 1300s and talks about the ajuuraan kingdom,

when umar ibn khataab was getting letters during his reign, we were referred as just muslim,

the greeks called us macrobians in the 300 Bc, it just means tall people who lived between Ethiopian and indian ocean, the speak about how our king told cambaysis to f off around the 525 Bc when he threatened us our king sent him an arrow and told him if you can untangle it you can invade me,

when the habashi and suadan and Egyptians were bowing for Cyrus and taking gifts to iran, somalis did not go so we were never conquered by the Persians, by the ahmaar were conquered as you can see in Iran today, Persepolis habahsi kings bringing gifts,


what is a somaal? who knows, but the people were muslims before darood came along, we had islam and sending letters to umar ibn khattab in 637, darood i believe came around the year late 1100 maybe early 1200s i dont think its 1300s because jidwaq was th ehad of Absame and we were karbashing ahmaar and oromo by late 1400s early 1500s, and no way can we have enough man power between 1300 and ,late 1400s for absame to be fighting, perhaps between 110 and 1400s is normal, yuo can get a large tribe by then,

absam was still living in sanaag with all daroods by 1300s, no way,

think about it, i can count around 34 or 36 names to darood,

10 generation waa average 250 years, 36 waa around 900 years roughly,

i count about 21 names to mohamed zubeer give or take thats around 500-600 years, i seriously, thin darood was around 1000 -1100 AD about 900 to 1,000 years ago,

Ismail aljabarti wasnt a sufi sxb he was THE sufi. The greatest sufi of the medieval period. Dont take my word for it here is what Al-Hafid the one and only Ibn Hajar Alasqalani said of him in his book 'anba al ghumr'

Isma'il.bin Ibrahom Aljabarti Alzabidi Born 722 hijri/1322 AD became sufi was pious goodly well dressed and he loved sima'(dikr) and the writings of ibn arabi(a sufi saint of spain who is now considered kafir by salafis).

Also As you can see the better generational formula is 5 generations per 100years so thus from today to 1322 is 700 years.
Daarood on average are 32 generations.
With the formula of 5gen/100 years you get 750 years, give or take a couple gens and youre at the ball park of 1322 AD.

Also i never claimed isma'il aljabarti aun was not aqili infact he is. I was making a comparison to the abasid caliphate, nothing more.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Ismail aljabarti wasnt a sufi sxb he was THE sufi. The greatest sufi of the medieval period. Dont take my word for it here is what Al-Hafid the one and Ibn Hajar Alasqalani said of him in his book 'anba al ghumr'View attachment 67143
Isma'il.bin Ibrahom Aljabarti Alzabidi Born 722 hijri/1322 AD became sufi was pious goodly well dressed and he loved sima'(dikr) and the writings of ibn arabi(a sufi saint of spain who is now considered kafir by salafis).

Also As you can see the better generational formula is 5 generations per 100years so thus from today to 1322 is 700 years.
Daarood on average are 32 generations.
With the formula of 5gen/100 years you get 750 years, give or take a couple gens and youre at the ball park of 1322 AD.

Also i never claimed isma'il aljabarti aun was not aqili infact he is. I was making a comparison to the abasid caliphate, nothing more.

ok

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

fathul habash mentions marehan, absame, not once do they use somaali maybe because we wer fighting as muslimns and we had hararis, canfaar, saxo, many cushtics, mostly somali and hararis,

jidwaq, bartire, abaskuul were all mentioned, maybe becasue we each had ourt own kingdom,

ogaden was langab in the early 1500s, we were under the leadership of our eldest bartire/jidwaq who were our royal family, in fact it was jidwaq that moved us absame from sanaag when we had beef with harti about who would rule as king of darood, yall said us we say hell no, bartire moved us, it was a blessing, we moved to avoud shedding bloody of our harti cousins and in return Allah gave us ogadeniya, jubaland and nfd,

in deed the children of Absame were honored by Allah, batire was our king, dhulbahante lead harti, we could not agree who would be king of darood, this was the last time darood was truly ever united as a tribe, after that it became to big,

absame/ kuumade took marehan with us and gerri koombe and harti kept the other darood yaryar,


where you ever you see jidwaq/ogaden you will find gerri koombe, specially abyones,

Excerpt from the Futuh Al-Habesh mentioning 'Somali'

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Excerpt from the Futuh Al-Habesh mentioning 'Somali'
View attachment 67148

english ina abti please

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Dir decedent's of Arabs too.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Dir decedent's of Arabs too.

Yes but the dirs descent is ancient. They are keturite arabs. From abrahams six sons by ketura.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

How could we be incorparated when your the one who supposedly lost your arabic language for Af-Somali and were Somalized

Your incorporation was like the rahanweyn i reckon. You spoke a closely related cushitic language and over time lost it all together. No offense but the hawiye dialects and lack of abwaano iyo suugaan shows that they were at one point recently second language speakers of af somali.
I mean there are even 'samaales' today that dont speak somali, like the garre. Af soomali
Af maay af oromo af afar and all the other afs of the horn are the berberite sub category of cushites but the af soomali that we speak know and love today is without a doubt originally belonging to the dir of waqooyi. Thats why they speak it fluently and have many known abwaans, i mean its obvious af Somali is af Dir. Thats why it was said 'somali waa dir iyo daarood"
I am not denying you youre cushiteness or even your berberiteness. Im just stating strong theories