The need for Somaliweyn, through the case of Jordan

[bluebird]

Because they're the ones who mostly hide behind the Somali flag whilst proclaiming to be patriotic. Meanwhile, they don't want to share the capital and they hate federalism because they believe it's a Daarood project.

Even on this forum, it's the same sad tale, one second it's "Somaliwayne", the next it's "Unuka leh".

& the only reason they scream "Somaliwayne" is because they know they usurped control of the capital city.

Facts.

well said. The same people saying hamar is ours and are at the same time are anti federalism/anti somaliland don't realize the privilege they have being naturally represented in the federal government.

 

[Axmed Xaji]

Because they're the ones who mostly hide behind the Somali flag whilst proclaiming to be patriotic. Meanwhile, they don't want to share the capital and they hate federalism because they believe it's a Daarood project.

Even on this forum, it's the same sad tale, one second it's "Somaliwayne", the next it's "Unuka leh".

& the only reason they scream "Somaliwayne" is because they know they usurped control of the capital city.

Facts.

No one is saying that's a good thing. It's a response to the other person's claim that Darood would be outnumbered by Hawiye and Isaaq. Ideally, i'd have a meritocracy where what you know matters more than who you are. This was a response to the other poster and I can't change it for some reason.

 

[mrdeeni]

do you agree southern politicans were never serious or cared about pan somalism in the 1960 union compared to waqooyis?

its simple sxb, Ethiopia doesn't want SL to unite because that is the centre for pan somalism. a revolution in xamar doesn't matter to Ethiopia compared to one in Hargeisa because the one in Hargeisa will simply lead to their demise. That is why Ethiopia uses both soft power and hard power. they support khatumo but not to the extent where it can threaten SL, khatumo leaders all hiding inside Ethiopia and khatumo chose addis ababa for the khatumo SL talks which shows that Ethiopia has a hand in them like the wabar guy who is also a Ethiopia resident. For Ethiopia they know the epi centre of somalimo and their biggest threat is Somaliland which is why they are deploying both soft power and hard power and keeping it in limbo. also you still have clan issues while a waqooyi man like @jugjugwacwac is willing to throw the interest of his clan under the bus for the greater good - Ethiopia finds that more threatening then anything else

This is a fact. The blue flag was raised in somaliland ! Thats why i am not against SL as a concept.

1) SL becomes strong independently and slowly becomes modern.
2) Gets rid of the Aidtopia
3) start helping the southern
4) calls for somaliwayne will grow again


thats if it can get rid of these old corrupt elites that are hurting the whole project. At the end of the day when push comes to shove Somalis will always help Somalis.

 

[mrdeeni]

Because they're the ones who mostly hide behind the Somali flag whilst proclaiming to be patriotic. Meanwhile, they don't want to share the capital and they hate federalism because they believe it's a Daarood project.

Even on this forum, it's the same sad tale, one second it's "Somaliwayne", the next it's "Unuka leh".

& the only reason they scream "Somaliwayne" is because they know they usurped control of the capital city.

Facts.

Keep spitting fact Queen. They where even crying about taking weapons from warlords because of this! and all the noise of banaadir being a state is a pure HW project.

I truly support a agreement like the EU or GCC. Every region is an own country

the main problem is our Annoying neighbors and now UAE can wield to much power and would hurt us.

 

[Abdalla]

In one of my posts above I said many of the Southern politicains didn't care about Somaliwayn like the nothern politicians did. I am not talking about the people here, just the politicians. Here is Maxamed Xaaji Ibraahin Ciqaal talking about his experiences in Xamar right before the Union and how the southern politicians viewed the whole thing.


I just wanted to make that clarification, because I didn't want people to think I was saying Southern Somalis didn't care about Somaliwayn, when in fact they did.

Cigal was the one thy signed away NFD and killed the somali weyn dream. It's quite ironic you take him as the embodiment of Somaliweyn politician.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Keep spitting fact Queen. They where even crying about taking weapons from warlords because of this! and all the noise of banaadir being a state is a pure HW project.

I truly support a agreement like the EU or GCC. Every region is an own country

the main problem is our Annoying neighbors and now UAE can wield to much power and would hurt us.

Agreed.
We'd work better together if we were all autonomous and only worked together on key national/security issues.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

You had to find a way to insert hawiye into the topic when there were no hawiyes involved. You guys keep bringing hawiye up and then when hawiyes retaliate you say we are obsessed.

Let's have an honest conversation.
Is it or is it NOT true that Hawiye wants to keep Mogadishu as the capital of Somalia AND as the capital of Benaadir state?
Is it or is it NOT true that Hawiye does not want to share power in the CAPITAL of Somalia?
Doesn't Hawiye control ALL the power in Mogadishu, the port, the airport and the districts, which were formerly diverse and reflective of the Somali people?

Hawiye inserts itself into every conversation pertaining Somali politics as HAWIYE has forcefully hijacked the capital.

 

[Reign]

Let's have an honest conversation.
Is it or is it NOT true that Hawiye wants to keep Mogadishu as the capital of Somalia AND as the capital of Benaadir state?
Is it or is it NOT true that Hawiye does not want to share power in the CAPITAL of Somalia?
Doesn't Hawiye control ALL the power in Mogadishu, the port, the airport and the districts, which were formerly diverse and reflective of the Somali people?

Hawiye inserts itself into every conversation pertaining Somali politics as HAWIYE has forcefully hijacked the capital.

Not true, there are many positions that are held by non hawiyes.

The districts in the capital are mostly held by the natives who've been living there for the past few decades or so regardless of tribe. Why should people who don't live in the city be given positions in districts of a city they know nothing about?

 

[gurey]

Problem with somaliweyn is you have to have so many factors go right. You need unity between clan leaders and qabil states to be fully behind it. You need tribal elders suldans boqors caqiils kilaab to be fully behind it. The average man and woman must be ideology inclined to it. You have to a strong propaganda campaign and be able to spread it far.

They must feel its their only way out of poverty and instability. Quite simply put we have to in a situation so dire and that everybody goes into survival mode and only way out being somaliweyn.

Somali have become soo hard headed and so harsh after seeing soo many dead due to war or famine that I dont anything will change their minds.

Which is why I gave up on Somalis seizing the opportunity for now. After all they all go addis ababa is like washington for them.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Not true, there are many positions that are held by non hawiyes.

The districts in the capital are mostly held by the natives who've been living there for the 1) past few decades or so regardless of tribe. Why should 2) people who don't live in the city be given positions in districts of a 3) city they know nothing about?

1) "past few decades"- Don't you mean since the civil war ethnic cleansing campaign?
2) "people who don't live in the city"- Because they were either killed or chased out.
3) "city they know nothing about"- You mean the city they were born and raised in?!


NATIVES?-- Just say Hawiye, that's what you mean. Even though most of the squatters weren't even born and raised in Mogadishu unlike the people they killed and robbed.

Why is it hard to speak clearly? Just say UNUKA LEH!!

Since that's your political stance and that's exactly what I meant earlier when I said you folks hide behind the flag and double-speak.



Puntites and non-Hawiye, this is the most rational and calm Hawiye on the forum and this is how she/he speaks. Wake up and smell the bullshit.

 

[mrdeeni]

1) "past few decades"- Don't you mean since the civil war ethnic cleansing campaign?
2) "people who don't live in the city"- Because they were either killed or chased out.
3) "city they know nothing about"- You mean the city they were born and raised in?!


NATIVES?-- Just say Hawiye, that's what you mean. Even though most of the squatters weren't even born and raised in Mogadishu unlike the people they killed and robbed.

Why is it hard to speak clearly? Just say UNUKA LEH!!

Since that's your political stance and that's exactly what I meant earlier when I said you folks hide behind the flag and double-speak.



Puntites and non-Hawiye, this is the most rational and calm Hawiye on the forum and this is how she/he speaks. Wake up and smell the bullshit.

I am marehaan (reer diini same as Barre) does this guy think we could have stayed in the capital with these insane USC troop searching for us and the singer shouting kill us all.

Thank god we managed to keep most of our property due to my moms dad who's hawiye but a lot of other people are not so lucky.

Worse thing if you try to claim any property they will just kill you or ask for a massive fund instead of trying to resolve it legally.

 

[Inquisitive_]

The same old bakhti trio always defecating on every fruitful discussions taking place with their qabyaalad to ruin everything, if the moderators don't get a handle on these people the place will turn like somnet cesspit filled with endless useless fruitless diatribes @Reign don't fall for them sis.

@waraabe

You remind me of the billionaire pathetic rich kids living of the glory of their fathers even though they have done nothing for themselves and even worse oppose their father's ideologically/politically and morally.

Yet you somehow shamelessly expect me and others to give you credits for this sxb, until you go back to the same ideological view points of these forefathers you talk about so gallantly whom were fierce die-hard Somaliweynist you simply deserve no credits whatsoever

You also remind of those whom claim they are part of Ahlu Bayt that somehow expect special favours even tough they uphold none of the tenets of being part of such a family.

It's like your father died as a martyr and you are looking to die as a traitor and even worse seeking credit for it.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Cigal was the one thy signed away NFD and killed the somali weyn dream. It's quite ironic you take him as the embodiment of Somaliweyn politician.

Where did I say I see him as the embodiment of Somaliweyn? I uploaded the video to give people an idea of how southern politicians (not the people) viewed Somaliwayn vs how northern politicians did. It has nothing to do with Ciqaal himself.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I am marehaan (reer diini same as Barre) does this guy think we could have stayed in the capital with these insane USC troop searching for us and the singer shouting kill us all.

Thank god we managed to keep most of our property due to my moms dad who's hawiye but a lot of other people are not so lucky.

Worse thing if you try to claim any property they will just kill you or ask for a massive fund instead of trying to resolve it legally.

Magool right? I heard she was the singer for USC. The highlight of her career.

They're trying to rewrite history and pretend that there were never other clans in the capital city. We just "disappeared".
I've heard people are still having major issues getting their houses back. These criminals have convinced their offspring that the houses are theirs, even though there are Daarood bodies buried in the backyard.

It was not that long ago when they killed that Mareexaan guy for daring to get his property back.

I say let them keep it and let them burn in hell, they have ruined their bloodlines with haram money anyway.

 

[Gambar]

Not true, there are many positions that are held by non hawiyes.

The districts in the capital are mostly held by the natives who've been living there for the past few decades or so regardless of tribe. Why should people who don't live in the city be given positions in districts of a city they know nothing about?

Actually many were chased out and their homes are currently occupied. A lot just want their homes back and don't necessarily care for gaining power since they established themselves in their ancestral lands. I agree about Xamar idinkaa leh but it's the center of Somalia and you guys have it in a chokehold. The problem is, there are no other cities as well established or economically empowered. They just can't compete.

All port cities should be just like Xamar. Somalis just pour all in their eggs into this one basket which has created a power center for the Hawiye that own it. That's why our families were cleansed out of the city, it was collective guilt of what the dictator did.

Do you see this is why we fail to shed tears for what happened in 2006? Because you failed to shed tears for us. The only solution is reconciliation and the truth from both sides acknowledging what happened was wrong. But if you're going to say Somaliweyn and on the other side unuka leh we will forever be in this position. Hawiye are good people, very industrious, funny, nice and don't hold cuqdad so I'm confident that if clans sat down and held true reconciliation talks this hatred would end. I don't ever see that happening with Isaaq, no offense but their cuqdad seems to be one that they will hold till death that they place on both Darood and Hawiye.

 

[waraabe]

The same old bakhti trio always defecating on every fruitful discussions taking place with their qabyaalad to ruin everything, if the moderators don't get a handle on these people the place will turn like somnet cesspit filled with endless useless fruitless diatribes @Reign don't fall for them sis.

@waraabe

You remind me of the billionaire pathetic rich kids living of the glory of their fathers even though they have done nothing for themselves and even worse oppose their father's ideologically/politically and morally.

Yet you somehow shamelessly expect me and others to give you credits for this sxb, until you go back to the same ideological view points of these forefathers you talk about so gallantly whom were fierce die-hard Somaliweynist you simply deserve no credits whatsoever

You also remind of those whom claim they are part of Ahlu Bayt that somehow expect special favours even tough they uphold none of the tenets of being part of such a family.

It's like your father died as a martyr and you are looking to die as a traitor and even worse seeking credit for it.

You are a traitor, what sick person defends the burning of grandmothers just because his clan has done it. Your fake crocodile tears aren't being taken seriously. Everyone can see a clear Pan Somali like @jugjugwacwac who is willing to go against his own clan's interest while you are defending the killing and burning of 80 year old Somali women. My forefathers were blind to your forefathers munaafiqnimo and traitorous ways but I am not.

 

[Gambar]

You are a traitor, what sick person defends the burning of grandmothers just because his clan has done it. Your fake crocodile tears aren't being taken seriously. Everyone can see a clear Pan Somali like @jugjugwacwac who is willing to go against his own clan's interest while you are defending the killing and burning of 80 year old Somali women. My forefathers were blind to your forefathers munaafiqnimo and traitorous ways but I am not.

This guy Inquisitive is obsessed with a subclan of Majerteen which he dubbed the Bermuda Triangle. He thinks his rambling is intelligent posting when everybody can see that he is the dumbest user on here. He cries day in and day out when his qabyalad is thrown back at him to the moderators. He's a pathetic pussy. At least @Reign can take a joke and she's reasonable. She will go toe to toe and laugh about it later.

This loser Inquisitive spends his time writing nonsense and paragraph after paragraph about either Sland and how bitter he is that you guys left the union or Mahamuud Saleeban. Thats how apparently bitter he is. If he had an ounce of intelligence he'd be able to write a dissertation on his nonsense but he can't even manage to have more than one useful brain cell.

 

[Inquisitive_]

You are a traitor, what sick person defends the burning of grandmothers just because his clan has done it. Your fake crocodile tears aren't being taken seriously. Everyone can see a clear Pan Somali like @jugjugwacwac who is willing to go against his own clan's interest while you are defending the killing and burning of 80 year old Somali women. My forefathers were blind to your forefathers munaafiqnimo and traitorous ways but I am not.

Don't you ever get tired of propagating these same old slanders and lies? I have read these slanderous posts a 1000 of times now and responded to them a handful of times already yet you continue this endless perpetuation?

War ninyahow don't you have any ounce of xishood? not even during blessed month of Ramadan? waku sidee sxb?

Your an emotional train wreck sxb, I know your types, they only show courage towards their fellow brethren but bow down in prostration towards shiisheyo

 

[embarassing]

Where did I say I see him as the embodiment of Somaliweyn? I uploaded the video to give people an idea of how southern politicians (not the people) viewed Somaliwayn vs how northern politicians did. It has nothing to do with Ciqaal himself.

Why do you think there was a difference in how they viewed somaliwayn? What was wrong with the southern politicians for them not to care as much?

 

[Odeg]

I would consider myself a Somaliweynist but each day that pass I get further from this idea. Many in this thread appear to believe Somaliweyne means Hawiye and Darood coming to a understanding or SL returning as if Somalia only concist of these clans. Some individual even claimed Jubaland to be majority Darood and if anyone believe that then that person have no idea about Jubaland. Madoobes parlament list does not go further than Kismayo and for good reasons. Im starting to believe its not possible to share a country. Jubaland+South west should join and create a state and go for independence.