The need for Somaliweyn, through the case of Jordan

[embarassing]

JubI would consider myself a Somaliweynist but each day that pass I get further from this idea. Many in this thread appear to believe Somaliweyne means Hawiye and Darood coming to a understanding or SL returning as if Somalia only concist of these clans. Some individual even claimed Jubaland to be majority Darood and if anyone believe that then that person have no idea about Jubaland. Madoobes parlament list does not go further than Kismayo and for good reasons. Im starting to believe its not possible to share a country. Jubaland+South west should join and create a state and go for independence.

If a few random posters on an anonymous forum can change your mind about a nation, religion, anything major, prepare for a unstable life where you're blown about with ease.

These people are not representative of all Somalis especially the ones back home.

 

[Odeg]

If a few random posters on an anonymous forum can change your mind about a nation, religion, anything major, prepare for a unstable life where you're blown about with ease.

These people are not representative of all Somalis especially the ones back home.

I did not base this only on random post on the internet. Its what some are pushing as we speak back home. You could have asked me so you wouldnt make assumptions like that.

 

[embarassing]

I did not base this only on random post on the internet. Its what some are pushing as we speak back home. You could have asked me so you wouldnt make assumptions like that.

Oh I'm sorry, I should've you're right.

Whose pushing for this back home?

 

[Odeg]

Oh I'm sorry, I should've you're right.

Whose pushing for this back home?

Dont worry about it. Jubaland admin headed by madoobe is pushing it.

 

[embarassing]

Dont worry about it. Jubaland admin headed by madoobe is pushing it.

Oh okay I didn't know that, thanks.

 

[Abdalla]

Where did I say I see him as the embodiment of Somaliweyn? I uploaded the video to give people an idea of how southern politicians (not the people) viewed Somaliwayn vs how northern politicians did. It has nothing to do with Ciqaal himself.

It just came across that way. I just find it ironic Cigal AUN talking about shanta Somaliyeed while we know he signed the Arusha Memorandum of Understanding, which demilitarised Somali-Kenya border.

Thanks for sharing the video. Very interesting. I might watch the entire speech later on. He said some welcomed him well, like Muuse Boqor AUN, while others didn't.

I wonder what the 23 articles of union the North came with were. If you have it, do share.

 

[Bahal]

Problem with somaliweyn is you have to have so many factors go right. You need unity between clan leaders and qabil states to be fully behind it.

You need tribal elders suldans boqors caqiils kilaab to be fully behind it.

The average man and woman must be ideology inclined to it

If they're not

 

[black]

If a few random posters on an anonymous forum can change your mind about a nation, religion, anything major, prepare for a unstable life where you're blown about with ease.

These people are not representative of all Somalis especially the ones back home.

You might not believe me now, but one of these days you'll be behind federalism with little central power, full autonomy or maybe even secession.

 

[embarassing]

You might not believe me now, but one of these days you'll be behind federalism with little central power, full autonomy or maybe even secession.

I wont.

I am not in charge of any people nor do I have any real power to change anything, I have the luxury of being idealistic and the rest of you should be too. Like some other people have posted here i hope for a United Somali nation free of qabyalad and where people are looked at based of their merits alone.

 

[black]

I wont.

I am not in charge of any people nor do I have any real power to change anything, I have the luxury of being idealistic and the rest of you should be too. Like some other people have posted here i hope for a United Somali nation free of qabyalad and where people are looked at based of their merits alone.

Do you think you can unite Somalis through democracy?

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I would consider myself a Somaliweynist but each day that pass I get further from this idea. Many in this thread appear to believe Somaliweyne means Hawiye and Darood coming to a understanding or SL returning as if Somalia only concist of these clans. Some individual even claimed Jubaland to be majority Darood and if anyone believe that then that person have no idea about Jubaland. Madoobes parlament list does not go further than Kismayo and for good reasons. Im starting to believe its not possible to share a country. Jubaland+South west should join and create a state and go for independence.

Do you think Darood would let a Dir take their land and declare for a state? Keep dreaming. Jubbaland is a reality, I don't know how people are denying it in 2017. If you don't like how things are being run, then you're more than welcome to leave.

 

[embarassing]

Do you think you can unite Somalis through democracy?

I think whats most important is stability, development, education, food security. Once those things are dealt with i don't think most will care about petty divisions and misdirect their anger at random people or clans, if that doesn't unite them, as it probably would and does with most stable decent countries, than so be it as long as the people are okay, they can choose to become irrelevant little states if thats what they want.

 

[Ras]

Do you think you can unite Somalis through democracy?

Yes if it's 100% democratic.

Most Somali's would rather vote for a competent populist leader (+75% of the population is under 30) rather than follow the qabilist trolls and elders in their communities.

However we'll never get a 100% fair election since that hasn't been invented in Africa yet so it will end up more chaotic.

So if the option is between a chaotic political landscape or a ruthless (1% chance benevolent) dictator; I'll have to go with the dictator as it will at least bring some progress.

A dictator has to provide the bare necessities to stay around but "elected" leaders don't and only have to care about their donors.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Democracy is nothing more then a sham illusion of inclusion to the sheeple public so that they don't revolt because of the inherit false believes that they 'dictate' whom gets in power, which is utterly laughable.

The real shadow government stays in power and the candidates they put up from both sides are nothing more then glorified Public relation officers that serve them, they are very limited what they can do and if they dare step out of bounds as history attests they are simply overthrown or murdered.

They came up with this ingenious system as a result of their non-stop violent past and continuous revolutions as a means of controlling the masses, they promote this system abroad in order to get their own puppets into power to serve their geopolitical interest.

To think otherwise is to be a dupe and to promote this is to be an utter fool on top being a pathetic dupe.

 

[Ras]

Democracy is nothing more then a sham illusion of inclusion to the sheeple public so that they don't revolt because of the inherit false believes that they 'dictate' whom gets in power, which is utterly laughable.

The real shadow government stays in power and the candidates they put up from both sides are nothing more then glorified Public relation officers that serve them, they are very limited what they can do and if they dare step out of bounds as history attests they are simply overthrown.

They came up with this ingenious system as a result of their non-stop violent past and continuous revolutions as a means of controlling the masses, they promote this system abroad in order to get their own puppets into power to serve their geopolitical interest. To think otherwise is to be a dupe.

It's called the social contract. There will always be rulers but in turn they keep the system stable; which they've been doing so far.

 

[Canuck]

Somaliweyn Does not need but you Somalis need it in order to survive. But stay sleeping.

 

[Canuck]

Why do Somalis need somaliweyn?

1. Ogaden is national security to secure our 2 rivers, plus gas.
2. Djibouti has a great strategy position at bab al mandab.
3. NFD for the gas, river tanta, fertile agriculture land.

Any smart long sight person will understand the importance of these lands expect the stupid, low IQ people)

 

[Canuck]

Democracy is nothing more then a sham illusion of inclusion to the sheeple public so that they don't revolt because of the inherit false believes that they 'dictate' whom gets in power, which is utterly laughable.

The real shadow government stays in power and the candidates they put up from both sides are nothing more then glorified Public relation officers that serve them, they are very limited what they can do and if they dare step out of bounds as history attests they are simply overthrown or murdered.

They came up with this ingenious system as a result of their non-stop violent past and continuous revolutions as a means of controlling the masses, they promote this system abroad in order to get their own puppets into power to serve their geopolitical interest.

To think otherwise is to be a dupe and to promote this is to be an utter fool on top being a pathetic dupe.

Don't waste your time in these low IQ people here, they can not see the big picture. Their world evolves around their dusty villages. Simply answer for Mogadishu dilemma "build new capital" it is not end of the world. Country like Brazil changed their capital three times.