The main reason why Western Somalis aren’t doing well

[DeadStar]

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[Inquisitive_]

You cant be serious. The man (as the HEAD of the household) should be trying to provide. not waiting for the state to step in.

Can you point to me were I disagreed with this sentiment?

No power? do many even want the power to begin with? Don't get me wrong I don't think women are blameless.

Whether they want it or not is totally irrelevant, once your married with children in the west, by virtue of this satanic system, all the power is concentrated in her hands.

In the haram relationship realms this doesn't exist because you just dump her when she acts up

Pakastani and Bengali culture of acid attacks and murder threats is disgusting and should not even be made as a comparison. Somalis do not do this and will never. Its not a "lucky" thing either as that behaviour is abhorrent. Do you want that 1%?

I do not condone this behaviour but at the same time it's part of the reason why their diaspora society survived while all other ones are destroyed

You cry about a handful of murder or acid attacks they carry out to enforce their culture, but yet our people kill each other in huge numbers in the diaspora (peanuts compared to them)

We populate the prisons in far higher numbers despite being significantly less then them in number, we have a higher % of broken homes, in fact we rank lower then them in every conceivable metric you can come up with.

The Quran tells us that "fitnah is worse then killing" and you see today why.

Ah yes. The big bad West. Masculine man shouldn't worry about geographical location and instead use the West for its opportunities. I mean cmon guys wheres the accountability?

Yes indeed, use it for it's opportunities but stay far away from it's degeneracy, hence why I plan to make it happen back home

 

[shabellegal]

Somalis in general make shitty parents. They dump responsibility on the eldest child and do nothing for 18+ years besides pay for necessities and dugsi.

Then they wonder why their kids are distant and seek the streets for guidance.

 

[chosen one]

its not just welfare althought its part of the problem. Others are discrimination, not fitting into western norms, culture, lack of opportunity, guidance ect. if your refugee parents barely know anything , you dont have a figure to show you the way how you suppose to succeed youre essentially clueless.

 

[Mali Mo]

Is because of parents raising their children in low income housing so that they can collect benefits.

Gangs, violence, drug dealing, poor school performance, islamic extremism, broken families is ALL tied to this one problem.

I do honestly believe somalis are naturally a smart, innovative and intelligent people, but this one problem has cursed the western Somali diaspora.

And Somali parents don’t think there is anything wrong with raising their children in these hazardous environments. They are in their own clueless bubbles and aren’t able to see things outside of it.

If there were no benefits, no council housing, and all of this socialism, I honestly believe Somalis would be a prospering and thriving community.

You hit the nail on the head, the key word is benefits.
Also darling, what is the song in your avatar?

 

[World]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-knot-moved-India-Sri-Lanka-Afghanistan.html

UK Somalis are khasaaro wallahi

 

[Gambar]

Somalis doing well don’t live around other Somalis. I would like to know statistics of Somalis making middle iyo high income (there probably aren’t any).

 

[catwoman]

Whether they want it or not is totally irrelevant, once your married with children in the west, by virtue of this satanic system, all the power is concentrated in her hands.

In the haram relationship realms this doesn't exist because you just dump her when she acts up


I do not condone this behaviour but at the same time it's part of the reason why their diaspora society survived while all other ones are destroyed

You cry about a handful of murder or acid attacks they carry out to enforce their culture, but yet our people kill each other in huge numbers in the diaspora (peanuts compared to them)

We populate the prisons in far higher numbers despite being significantly less then them in number, we have a higher % of broken homes, in fact we rank lower then them in every conceivable metric you can come up with.

The Quran tells us that "fitnah is worse then killing" and you see today why.


Yes indeed, use it for it's opportunities but stay far away from it's degeneracy, hence why I plan to make it happen back home

When it comes to Somali households usually (from my experience) many are not even legally married only islamically. When it comes to the children woman are favoured as they are islamically (Islamically speaking there is scholarly consensus is that the woman is more entitled to custody of the child so long as he has not reached the age of discernment) So actually in the West theres more opportunity in the 'satanic system' lol for a father to fight for his kids or shared custody/visitations.

You really think that's a reason why their society survived? Hmm maybe but that's fear and terror. Even with all our ills im happy that is not apart of our culture.

If that works for you thats great mashaAllah best of luck

 

[GeKo]

Somalis doing well don’t live around other Somalis. I would like to know statistics of Somalis making middle iyo high income (there probably aren’t any).

Lol there are but they have businesses that they can use to write off taxes and claim lower income. Many Somali truck drivers can be classified as middle income too.
Dont trust stats , Somali income is higher than what's on paper

 

[GeKo]

Sun Tzu death ground strategy occurs.

The colonialist of old when they invaded an Island, the general would burn all the boats, this placed the entire army on death ground because there is no way back anymore.

It's make or break and people like this were unstoppable especially when it came to warfare, they managed to subdue far larger armies as a result because those they fought had a way out when things got tough which they didn't.

The same would have occurred if welfare never existed, death ground instinct kicks in, the father is forced to work to feed himself and his family, he would take any kind of job because he is in a survival situation.

In such circumstances the women wouldn't have dared to rebel against him either. This is how things used to be in the good old days.

Most times the man may be working but the women wants supplemental income that she wants to send back home.

There haram earnings turns into a curse and they fight on the spending which leads to divorces.

 

[Inquisitive_]

You really think that's a reason why their society survived? Hmm maybe but that's fear and terror. Even with all our ills im happy that is not apart of our culture.

If that works for you thats great mashaAllah best of luck

Any person with even a tiny bit of fear/belief in his creator wouldn't dare trample on his laws even if another satanic system grants him that power or opportunity, it's tantamount to kufr.

Human psychology and behaviour is driven by fear/hope/incentives. If a thief knows the consequences of his action would mean he will loose his hand, he will not risk this.

If positive reinforcement through hope doesn't work, terror and fear will, the human with the higher intelligence their foresight/intelligence/dignity/honour is enough to hold them back

But the majority of the people that are lacking in all those attributes the only thing that stops them from self destruction is fear and terror.

Without this catastrophic consequences occur later one which will destroy the entire fabric of that community, including the children that will pay for your irresponsibilities

The Asian community mitigate this, we haven't and look at us today, in complete utter shambles and ruins in the diaspora.

Those Asian women you look down on live far better superior life's then our own women in the diaspora, they have a far greater number of healthy households then us, with far lower divorce rates then us.

Whenever they do go through divorce unlike us, she moves in with her family and the child is never raised without a father figure mitigating the impact of the divorce on the children thus eliminating generational dysfunction.

If welfare was cut today, it would force the women to take responsibility, no more thugs, wasting money on useless weddings, unchecked materialism, children from different fathers and a host of other dysfunctions etc.

The women are the backbone of the family and they are the ones who select their partners in the west, when this system didn't exist, women went after responsible men with good lineage because incentives drove this behaviour or for the younger ones the father selected a responsible one for them.

With welfare this no longer exists, the incentives are removed and hence the scoundrel scums of the past (thugs, con artists) including the players are predominantly selected in favour of responsible men. (something that never occurred in the past)

 

[Inquisitive_]

Most times the man may be working but the women wants supplemental income that she wants to send back home.

There haram earnings turns into a curse and they fight on the spending which leads to divorces.

The thing that a lot of people don't realise is that this scam contrary to popular opinion is mainly driven by the women not the men.

The men in general don't have this unchecked materialism that females have, and whatever materialism the male does have, he does this only to entice other women.

What both of them don't realise is the devastating consequences of these actions on not only their marriage but also their children, it opens the doors to all kinds of problems as you stated. top post!

 

[Gambar]

Lol there are but they have businesses that they can use to write off taxes and claim lower income. Many Somali truck drivers can be classified as middle income too.
Dont trust stats , Somali income is higher than what's on paper

I’d like to know about actual working professionals, not to be offensive but I don’t care about those hiding their income, business owners (every Somali is a business owner), or a truck driver. I want to know about doctors, nurses, electricians, engineers, lawyers, bankers, etc.

 

[Apollo]

Language barriers.

Lack of social capital to thrive in a completely alien society.

 

[catwoman]

Any person with even a tiny bit of fear/belief in his creator wouldn't dare trample on his laws even if another satanic system grants him that power or opportunity, it's tantamount to kufr.

Human psychology and behaviour is driven by fear/hope/incentives. If a thief knows the consequences of his action would mean he will loose his hand, he will not risk this.

If positive reinforcement through hope doesn't work, terror and fear will, the human with the higher intelligence their foresight/intelligence/dignity/honour is enough to hold them back

But the majority of the people that are lacking in all those attributes the only thing that stops them from self destruction is fear and terror.

Without this catastrophic consequences occur later one which will destroy the entire fabric of that community, including the children that will pay for your irresponsibilities

The Asian community mitigate this, we haven't and look at us today, in complete utter shambles and ruins in the diaspora.

Those Asian women you look down on live far better superior life's then our own women in the diaspora, they have a far greater number of healthy households then us, with far lower divorce rates then us.

Whenever they do go through divorce unlike us, she moves in with her family and the child is never raised without a father figure mitigating the impact of the divorce on the children thus eliminating generational dysfunction.

If welfare was cut today, it would force the women to take responsibility, no more thugs, wasting money on useless weddings, unchecked materialism, children from different fathers and a host of other dysfunctions etc.

The women are the backbone of the family and they are the ones who select their partners in the west, when this system didn't exist, women went after responsible men with good lineage because incentives drove this behaviour or for the younger ones the father selected a responsible one for them.

With welfare this no longer exists, the incentives are removed and hence the scoundrel scums of the past (thugs, con artists) including the players are predominantly selected in favour of responsible men. (something that never occurred in the past)

When did I say I look down upon Asian women? Sweetie I mentioned them because you did to begin with. They may be a number of different factors to why they are doing better. If it is do with fear then like I said im happy that we don't do that culture.

Welfare is there for people that need it. Cutting welfare is not going to just mean suddenly there are no more thugs lol. Before women are to take responsibility on their own Men need to also take responsibility and not leave everything on a mothers shoulders.

I disagree you are too hung up on the "satanic system of the west" lol. Women and men select their partners in the West - men have a say just as much atleast I hope so

Somali habaryars are selecting more of these sorts? that's news to me. Lets remember to put this in the context of our Somali community

 

[catwoman]

You guys really think that because of welfare that hoyo takes that's given boys the right to be in gangs/thugs? Lol what a cop out. These lot can always walk to the job centre if things are that tough

 

[somaliaristocrat]

The problem is not the ghetto's themselves but the collective conscious of the people who have no values, poor Pakistanis/Bengali's also create their own ghetto's in far larger scales in the UK

But you never see the levels of crime or degeneracy you see in Somali/Black ghetto's that often become no go areas for other Blacks/Somali's.

The issue is broken homes, and what creates broken homes is welfare, and when you combine this with none existent values other then qabiil, it turns into a violent cascading death trap.

The Pakistani single mother lives with her parents or immediate family, several male figures are present in the house at all times, her father, grandfather and her several brothers with other children.

That child is not raised alone, there are many watchful eyes as he grows up including several role models around him at all times, every negative factor of the divorce is totally negated by this.

Now contrasts this to us were the women begs the state for a house and raises those kids absent of any male role model, no one even keeps a close watchful eye, she herself feels free of any need.

To make matters worse, she continues to marry several other men purely for short-term pleasure marriages that doesn't last long and she ends up kicking those men out too like she did to the first whenever she gets bored of him. (while picking up more welfare for each extra child)

Imagine what this does to the psyche or self-esteem of the children as they watch all of this drama as they grow up? it's absolutely devastating, children learn to copy their parents.

We do not see the same behaviour in Somalia despite the dreadful civil wars and difficult life because it's a patriarchal society run by males.

This clearly proofs that the destruction of the Somali households in the diaspora is done by our Xaalimo's that have been empowered by the state because the Faraxs have absolutely no power.

The Pakistani's/Bengali's counteract this satanic system through their deeply ingrained value system, close knit family and greater sense of community which we don't have.

No women would even dare to destroy that equilibrium or rebel because her own brother is prepared to murder her for it.

If she somehow survives murder or an acid attack, the entire community cuts her off, a virtual death sentence is handed out and in a lot of cases she goes under witness protection schemes.

We don't even have 1% of this, hence as individual farax's beyond psychological warfare we are completely toothless in this society because we have no community back up against this.

Even worse then all of this we are fully at her mercy and whims the moment you decide to marry her and have kids

Hence only an idiot would marry in the diaspora knowing the highly disadvantaged circumstances he will be in, a highly masculine man would therefore never marry in the west, bring a wife to the west or try to raise a kid her.

saved me the trouble of having to write an essay long post.

kudos

 

[Inquisitive_]

When did I say I look down upon Asian women? Sweetie I mentioned them because you did to begin with. They may be a number of different factors to why they are doing better. If it is do with fear then like I said im happy that we don't do that culture

Preserving the wider community takes precedence over the individual, even if that means terrorising or murdering a few of them to maintain a healthy order.

If you don't do this and let these people loose broken homes will be everywhere, dysfunction explodes, and the results will be more murder, dom and every other degeneracy we see today.

Welfare is there for people that need it. Cutting welfare is not going to just mean suddenly there are no more thugs lol.

That's how it's sold but it's really there to destroy the poor working classes and keep them down-trodden, dependent and in a state of perpetual dysfunction to never rise above.

The money the working class man earns is about the same welfare that is paid to his wife if she kicks him out.

This serves as a tremendous financial incentive for her to do so and there is nothing he can do to counter it, especially our fathers that fled civil war.

Today we are suffering the consequences of these broken homes, an entire generation raised upon dysfunction.

I disagree you are too hung up on the "satanic system of the west" lol. Women and men select their partners in the West - men have a say just as much atleast I

If men had any say, you wouldn't see these ridiculous cost of weddings, no sane male want's this garbage or even worse desires to go into debt for it.

These doqon's simply do this because they belief that woman would otherwise not marry them, that's the bitter truth and that alone reinforces what I stated while it refutes yours.

 

[Inquisitive_]

You guys really think that because of welfare that hoyo takes that's given boys the right to be in gangs/thugs? Lol what a cop out. These lot can always walk to the job centre if things are that tough

We know from our religion when the Prophet stated that every child is born with a pure pristine fitrah (Islam) but it's their parents that turn them into Jews, Christian's or idolaters.

If something as great and fundamental as the pure pristine fitrah Allah has given us all can be changed by parental upbringing, then what do you think about lesser things such as behaviours, attitudes, disciplines ?

What is a vile mother who kicked her husband out the house for financial benefits be able to teach her son or daughter? or the one who didn't show any patience or long term thinking ?

We know from the Quran the greatest rewards without reckoning belong to those who show patience? we can see this all around us.

You have to ask yourself why did these couples have happy marriages back in Somalia but suddenly it collapsed in Europe and the wife kicked him out the moment the reigns of power were handed to her?

Doesn't this tell you something ?

 

[AbdiJew]

Its because of blaming whitey and the West for your problems. Don't do any of that, work hard, don't make excuses and you'll be fine in life.