The First Mention of Somali

[--Ajakis Lax Max--]

i guess Somalispot is in competition with Somali--net because you cant even mention their full name on here

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

University of somnet, a very reputable institution, especially their SuugoTaariikh department

Somnet gave Birth to jaamcatu DNa movement .we defeated the oromo, Arab and suugo scientists .what you have to understand is that scholars like I.M Lewis met a few Somalis elders who told them oromos lived here before ,some Arab fell off a tree and landed in Somalian,etc. this was taken as gospel and published in many books .Young Somalis are now starting to do their own research .

 

[Grant]

Somnet gave Birth to jaamcatu DNa movement .we defeated the oromo, Arab and suugo scientists .what you have to understand is that scholars like I.M Lewis met a few Somalis elders who told them oromos lived here before ,some Arab fell off a tree and landed in Somalian,etc. this was taken as gospel and published in many books .Young Somalis are now starting to do their own research .

Much of what was written in the 60's has turned out to be false. Sadly, much of that is still in the encyclopedias and has yet to be corrected. Although Herbert S. Lewis did correct much of what I M Lewis had to say, I M Lewis is still used to justify several erroneous theories, including the north to south Samaale migration and the homogeneity of the Somali people. We all owe a major debt to the DNA studies and.the folks at Somnet.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Reading history through Somnet is not the same as listening to the rumours there. Same as here, topics come up and get discussed. Links get tossed around. Judging from what passes for history here, the history available inside Somalia must be far worse than that available just on the internet. Recent Somalia sends it's best students abroad, for the simple reason educational opportunities are so limited at home. The best and most recent information hits the internet long before the streets in Merka or Jilib. I don't need to go there to have better information than a local. If I need local information that is not in the news, I can call.

Relatives inside Somalia may not be the best source of ancient history.

The xabashi loser is trying to imply the Cushitic people aren't indigenous to Ethiopia and that the Falasha, who are just Agews that converted to Judaism l, are not from the Ethiopian Highlands but from Sudan.

This monkey is just trying to regurgitate what his Semitic monkey ancestors have been saying for centuries about other Cushites like the Oromo. That we aren't indigenous to the horn, some even claiming that we aren't even from the African mainland at all. These injirles half-breeds don't seem to understand irony. Just because their midget yemen ancestors ran away from Yemen and came to the horn, doesn't mean they have any right to the land. They're gypsies that spend all of their history stealing, lying and taking land from the indigenous Cushitic speaking peoples.

 

[Grant]

The xabashi loser is trying to imply the Cushitic people aren't indigenous to Ethiopia and that the Falasha, who are just Agews that converted to Judaism l, are not from the Ethiopian Highlands but from Sudan.

This monkey is just trying to regurgitate what his Semitic monkey ancestors have been saying for centuries about other Cushites like the Oromo. That we aren't indigenous to the horn, some even claiming that we aren't even from the African mainland at all. These injirles half-breeds don't seem to understand irony. Just because their midget yemen ancestors ran away from Yemen and came to the horn, doesn't mean they have any right to the land. They're gypsies that spend all of their history stealing, lying and taking land from the indigenous Cushitic speaking peoples.

You and Menelik both have historical issues, but insulting each other and involving me is just not the solution.

I strongly recommend a reread of this thread:

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...-expedition-to-the-nugaal-valley.25522/page-2

Sada Mire is also excellent: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10437-015-9184-9

Herbert S. Lewis is the expert on the Cushitic migrations: https://www.academia.edu/248346/The_Origins_of_the_Galla_and_Somali

 

[Grant]

I found Menelik's quote on Gudit:

https://www.geneticliteracyproject....ews-in-somalia-tracing-remnants-of-the-yibir/

"The possibility that the Yibir community has branched out of a Beta Israel population may distantly be inferred from a medieval source that refers to a Habash queen (from what is today Ethiopia) as sending a zebra as a gift to the king of Yemen in the tenth century. This queen was no other than Judith, the ruler of the Beta Israel kingdom that sprang probably in eastern Sudan and subjugated Aksum in the ninth century. Though not precisely known by years, Judith’s reign fell between the late ninth century and early tenth century and is thought to have lasted for forty years."

This is conjecture without a lot of backing. The Biblical source refers to Eldad the Danite and a kingdom "beyond the rivers of Kush", which could have been either in the eastern Sudan or the highlands. The Semien mountains are not out of the question.

 

[Garad]

You have neither learned to read nor stayed away. This amply debunked your arguments years ago:

.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231877480_The_Origins_of_the_Galla_and_somali

I am well aware of the arguments made by Herbert S. Lewis. For those interested, I attached a relevant thread:
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Link:
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/the-origins-of-our-people.20088/
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I can't find where you got the Sudan in there. You are aware that the Simien Mountains were the traditional stronghold of the Falasha?

It's all conjecture at this point. The Yibir could be from either source. The important issue for this thread is that they preceded Samaales at Aw Barkhadle.

You have the story reversed. Aw Barkhadle is associated with Shaykhs Isaaq and Darood. The Yibir king is named Mohammed Hanif in some stories and Bacur Bacayr in others. The story is associated with the subjugation of the Yibir and Madhibaan and the formation of the northern Samaale clans. The site of Aw Barkhadle itself is far older than the Samaale migrations.

Mohammed Hanif and Bu'ur Ba'ayer are the same individual, with the later being pejorative. In addition, the story of Aw Barkhalde refers to the triumph of Islam, not the subjugation of the Yibir or the Madhiban. They possess no cultural or physical traits to indict that they are not Somali.
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Sources:
https://www.google.com/search?q="Sh...iland+and+founded+the+Somali+people."&tbm=bks
https://books.google.com/books?id=P... founding ancestor known pejoratively&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=8...="the+decisive+triumph+of+the+true+religion."
http://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/study-minorities-somalia
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Much of what was written in the 60's has turned out to be false. Sadly, much of that is still in the encyclopedias and has yet to be corrected. Although Herbert S. Lewis did correct much of what I M Lewis had to say, I M Lewis is still used to justify several erroneous theories, including the north to south Samaale migration and the homogeneity of the Somali people. We all owe a major debt to the DNA studies and.the folks at Somnet.

Somalis are indeed a homogeneous ethnic group:

A. M. Mohamoud: "The results are consistent with hypothesis, supported by cultural and historical evidence, of common origin of the Somali population"
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Source:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3148.2006.00694_52.x/abstract

 

[Young Popeye]

I found Menelik's quote on Gudit:

https://www.geneticliteracyproject....ews-in-somalia-tracing-remnants-of-the-yibir/

"The possibility that the Yibir community has branched out of a Beta Israel population may distantly be inferred from a medieval source that refers to a Habash queen (from what is today Ethiopia) as sending a zebra as a gift to the king of Yemen in the tenth century. This queen was no other than Judith, the ruler of the Beta Israel kingdom that sprang probably in eastern Sudan and subjugated Aksum in the ninth century. Though not precisely known by years, Judith’s reign fell between the late ninth century and early tenth century and is thought to have lasted for forty years."

This is conjecture without a lot of backing. The Biblical source refers to Eldad the Danite and a kingdom "beyond the rivers of Kush", which could have been either in the eastern Sudan or the highlands. The Semien mountains are not out of the question.

in the ninth century the queen ruler was a muslim called badit, this jewish stuff is made up. harla destroyed axum. read the cambridge source

https://books.google.ca/books?id=GWjxR61xAe0C&pg=PA106&lpg=PA106&dq=sultanate+of+shoa+begins+its+narrative+by+reporting+the+death+of+a+local+ruler&source=bl&ots=j5sHSUnpFl&sig=fbNrbgUIGggI-yrE7qjHhGHeRnI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAv8fYs-zUAhUGVz4KHTpqDA0Q6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=sultanate of shoa begins its narrative by reporting the death of a local ruler&f=false

She is tadina in the harar king and queen list
http://memphishararicommunity.org/index.php/heritage/78-kings-and-queens-of-harar

sultanate of showa's capital was located in northern hararghe
https://books.google.ca/books?id=HGnyk8Pg9NgC&pg=PA21&dq=sawa+itself+were+located+in+northern+hararge&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYu7fT_c_SAhUm7oMKHdGLDoMQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=sawa itself were located in northern hararge&f=false

the harla were then at war with the abyssinians for quite sometime including during the reign of amda seyon and then the most recent imam war when harla wanted to wipe them out

 

[Menelik III]

I found Menelik's quote on Gudit:

https://www.geneticliteracyproject....ews-in-somalia-tracing-remnants-of-the-yibir/

"The possibility that the Yibir community has branched out of a Beta Israel population may distantly be inferred from a medieval source that refers to a Habash queen (from what is today Ethiopia) as sending a zebra as a gift to the king of Yemen in the tenth century. This queen was no other than Judith, the ruler of the Beta Israel kingdom that sprang probably in eastern Sudan and subjugated Aksum in the ninth century. Though not precisely known by years, Judith’s reign fell between the late ninth century and early tenth century and is thought to have lasted for forty years."

This is conjecture without a lot of backing. The Biblical source refers to Eldad the Danite and a kingdom "beyond the rivers of Kush", which could have been either in the eastern Sudan or the highlands. The Semien mountains are not out of the question.

Why are you talking about biblical sources when it's written and talked about in Ethiopian history. She was agaw jew. Her lineage would later rule Ethiopia as the zegwe (agaw). You can't deny it when it's clearly evident in the whole story.

 

[Menelik III]

The xabashi loser is trying to imply the Cushitic people aren't indigenous to Ethiopia and that the Falasha, who are just Agews that converted to Judaism l, are not from the Ethiopian Highlands but from Sudan.

This monkey is just trying to regurgitate what his Semitic monkey ancestors have been saying for centuries about other Cushites like the Oromo. That we aren't indigenous to the horn, some even claiming that we aren't even from the African mainland at all. These injirles half-breeds don't seem to understand irony. Just because their midget yemen ancestors ran away from Yemen and came to the horn, doesn't mean they have any right to the land. They're gypsies that spend all of their history stealing, lying and taking land from the indigenous Cushitic speaking peoples.

@ me next time you frickin sharmuta. I said the agaw of Ethiopia along with yodiet are indigenous to the highlands of Ethiopia and not from eastern Sudan. Don't be mad that all your history is regulated by foreigners (arabs, Europeans). Your ancestors were primitive baboons, nothing more nothing less. Get over yourself.

 

[Prince Abubu]

@ me next time you frickin sharmuta. I said the agaw of Ethiopia along with yodiet are indigenous to the highlands of Ethiopia and not from eastern Sudan. Don't be mad that all your history is regulated by foreigners (arabs, Europeans). Your ancestors were primitive baboons, nothing more nothing less. Get over yourself.

My ancestors were proud nomads. While yours were apes that shit themselves whenever they heard a Somali was near. We are the reason you eat raw meat today. Enjoy your salmonella and parasites xabashi adoon.

 

[Grant]

I am well aware of the arguments made by Herbert S. Lewis. For those interested, I attached a relevant thread:
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Link:
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/the-origins-of-our-people.20088/
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Mohammed Hanif and Bu'ur Ba'ayer are the same individual, with the later being pejorative. In addition, the story of Aw Barkhalde refers to the triumph of Islam, not the subjugation of the Yibir or the Madhiban. They possess no cultural or physical traits to indict that they are not Somali.
_
Sources:
https://www.google.com/search?q="Shariif+'Aydaruus+Shariif+'Ali+records+a+tradition+that+the+eponym+Samaale+came+from+the+Yemen+in+the+ninth+century+to+settle+in+Somaliland+and+founded+the+Somali+people."&oq="Shariif+'Aydaruus+Shariif+'Ali+records+a+tradition+that+the+eponym+Samaale+came+from+the+Yemen+in+the+ninth+century+to+settle+in+Somaliland+and+founded+the+Somali+people."&aqs=chrome..69i57.10670j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q="Shariif+'Aydaruus+Shariif+'Ali+records+a+tradition+that+the+eponym+Samaale+came+from+the+Yemen+in+the+ninth+century+to+settle+in+Somaliland+and+founded+the+Somali+people."&tbm=bks
https://books.google.com/books?id=P5AZyEhMtbkC&pg=PA94&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj82rf5gezUAhUBXT4KHQh7DM4Q6AEIJDAA#v=onepage&q=a founding ancestor known pejoratively&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=8hsOAQAAMAAJ&dq=triumph+of+islam+yibir&focus=searchwithinvolume&q="the+decisive+triumph+of+the+true+religion."
http://reliefweb.int/report/somalia/study-minorities-somalia
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Somalis are indeed a homogeneous ethnic group:

A. M. Mohamoud: "The results are consistent with hypothesis, supported by cultural and historical evidence, of common origin of the Somali population"
_
Source:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3148.2006.00694_52.x/abstract

You can't be serious. 97 Somalis living in the west of England? Check this out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lly-diverse-countries/?utm_term=.4953a813fe51

The greener countries are more ethnically diverse and the orange countries more homogenous. There are a few trends you can see right away: countries in Europe and Northeast Asia tend to be the most homogenous, sub-Saharan African nations the most diverse. The Americas are generally somewhere in the middle. And richer countries appear more likely to be homogenous.