The Concept of Nations and Leaders- A Qur'anic Perspective

[Helios]

Fircoon introduced the class system. This is mentioned in the Qur'an. The story of Bani Israel and other monetheistic nations who rose to power and their sudden demise. The stories of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Allah swt mentions all these groups. The Qur'an is very deep

Fircoon? who is that

 

[Samaalic Era]

Fircoon? who is that

Pharoah or Fircoon in Somali

 

[Samaalic Era]

Uhm...Churchill was massively islamophobic and didn't respect Islam. This is how poorly he thought of Islam and Muslims.

I never said he likes Muslims but referencing something he said. The top quote is one example when overlook his hatred of Islam. Abrahamic Nations produce extraordinary figures but everything collaspes with his death

 

[Helios]

Pharoah or Fircoon in Somali

Oh I just know the Arabic and English Firawn and Pharaoh

 

[Helios]

Idk man China always had massive upheavals every 200-500 years and there was a dynastic shift. Rome as well was very dependent on the quality of the Emperor

 

[Samaalic Era]

Idk man China always had massive upheavals every 200-500 years and there was a dynastic shift. Rome as well was very dependent on the quality of the Emperor

They have ups and downs which is normal but Abrahamic nations have total collaspe. Only through miraculous circumstances do they ever make a comeback

 

[Hodan from HR]

And Ethiopia should either be pyramidic or Abrahamic if not both. Second nation to adopt Christianity and first hijra + first and second mosques ever built. They were conquerors, their legacy and empires are also far more influential, older, and important than Somalia's...by far. How can you put them in the same category as Berbers? lmao

I think Somalia should be a hedonistic-Abrahamic civilisation.

Warya waqo, when are you gonna come out of the closet?

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[Helios]

They have ups and downs which is normal but Abrahamic nations have total collaspe. Only through miraculous circumstances do they ever make a comeback

China descends into all out civil war each time lol but it reforms somehow

 

[Samaalic Era]

Warya waqo, when are you gonna come out of the closet?

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Its in the Religion section so their is no qashin rating.

Its obvious that @Yibir Huur is a Xabashi. He is not even hiding it at all

 

[Yibir Huur]

Somalis have the Abrahamic traits .Somalis took Islam to the Maldives, Tanzania,Ethiopia and Sri Lanka. Somalis had the Ajuuran Kingdom, a Hydraulic empire. Somalis used the Wadaad script and flourishing ports of Mogadishu,Marka,Berbera,Hobyo and Barawe

Somalis don't have any Abrahamic traits other than adopting Islam early on. Unlike Ethiopia which was the 2nd country to adopt Christianity and had Islam before Arabia and Somalia; the first and second mosques are in fact located in Ethiopia/Eritrea. They were first.

Yes, Somalis took Islam to the Maldives but at it's an extreemly small and irrelevant island, it always has been. When Somalis came the population must've been in the 10,000s and it was undefended. There was no army or military to defend any foreigners. btw the Aksumites brought Christianity to Sri Lanka and Aksumite coins have been found there.

There's no evidence on Somalis bringing Islam to Sri Lanka, there was no significant impact on India and Sri Lanka, it was just the Maldives.

islam in Tanzania was brought by Ali ibn al-Hassan Shirazi, a Persian. There was already a Muslim presence before Somalis came.

Somalis definitely didn't bring Islam in Ethiopia as I've already said and it's known lol. If you mean converting some pagan Oromos then yeah, indeed.

The Wadaad script is just an adaption of Arabic and only came to the north only, in the 13th Century. You can't compare that to Ge'ez...

The Ajuuran weren't that impressive in my opinion. The highlight of its military is pushing back pagan Oromo tribes who were disorganised and weak. The Aksumites already went to every single place Ajuuran went except for China. It may have been the next hydraulic empire after Egypt but all it means is that they had full control of irrigation and water supply, I never understood the fascination with that.

 

[Samaalic Era]

China descends into all out civil war each time lol but it reforms somehow

Thats the thing with Pyramidic Nations. They go through a crisis but thats never the end and stability follows where as Abrahamic Nations are finished once they fall

 

[Hodan from HR]

Its in the Religion section so their is no qashin rating.

Its obvious that @Yibir Huur is a Xabashi. He is not even hiding it at all

Thats actually cool. I didnt know.
Thank you

Waa layab, going to a xabashi forum to put them down? I can't relate May Allah cure him

 

[Yibir Huur]

I never said he likes Muslims but referencing something he said. The top quote is one example when overlook his hatred of Islam. Abrahamic Nations produce extraordinary figures but everything collaspes with his death

Dude, he's literally saying Islam diminishes character and development!? I think the quote u looked at was either fake or someone else's

 

[Yibir Huur]

Warya waqo, when are you gonna come out of the closet?

Its in the Religion section so their is no qashin rating.

Its obvious that @Yibir Huur is a Xabashi. He is not even hiding it at all

Thats actually cool. I didnt know.
Thank you

Waa layab, going to a xabashi forum to put them down? I can't relate May Allah cure him

lol just admit you guys are in the wrong. The whole breakdown is horse crap and @Samaalic Era is salty at the facts being thrown at him. You guys aren't making any good arguments, it's not looking good

 

[Samaalic Era]

Somalis don't have any Abrahamic traits other than adopting Islam early on. Unlike Ethiopia which was the 2nd country to adopt Christianity and had Islam before Arabia and Somalia; the first and second mosques are in fact located in Ethiopia/Eritrea. They were first.

Yes, Somalis took Islam to the Maldives but at it's an extreemly small and irrelevant island, it always has been. When Somalis came the population must've been in the 10,000s and it was undefended. There was no army or military to defend any foreigners. btw the Aksumites brought Christianity to Sri Lanka and Aksumite coins have been found there.

There's no evidence on Somalis bringing Islam to Sri Lanka, there was no significant impact on India and Sri Lanka, it was just the Maldives.

islam in Tanzania was brought by Ali ibn al-Hassan Shirazi, a Persian. There was already a Muslim presence before Somalis came.

Somalis definitely didn't bring Islam in Ethiopia as I've already said and it's known lol. If you mean converting some pagan Oromos then yeah, indeed.

The Wadaad script is just an adaption of Arabic and only came to the north only, in the 13th Century. You can't compare that to Ge'ez...

The Ajuuran weren't that impressive in my opinion. The highlight of its military is pushing back pagan Oromo tribes who were disorganised and weak. The Aksumites already went to every single place Ajuuran went except for China. It may have been the next hydraulic empire after Egypt but all it means is that they had full control of irrigation and water supply, I never understood the fascination with that.

Aw Barkhadle took Islam to both Maldives and Sri lanka. Also, Islam spread in Ethiopia through Somali Saints. Oromos are the largest ethnic group in Ethiopia so that says it alot. Furthermore, Ajuuran repulsed Portuguese empire at the height of its power and beat them in Naval Warfare and in Kenya aswell

 

[Hodan from HR]

lol just admit you guys are in the wrong. The whole breakdown is horse crap and @Samaalic Era is salty at the facts being thrown at him. You guys aren't making any good arguments, it's not looking good

Walal, my knowledge in this sector is not great. I'm actually hoping to learn from you guys.

It is just hard to take your points seriously because you are already biased towards somalis.

 

[Yibir Huur]

Aw Barkhadle took Islam to both Maldives and Sri lanka. Also, Islam spread in Ethiopia through Somali Saints. Oromos are the largest ethnic group in Ethiopia so that says it alot. Furthermore, Ajuuran repulsed Portuguese empire at the height of its power and beat them in Naval Warfare and in Kenya aswell

Son, there is no evidence of Ajuran ever bringing even a crumb of Islam into Sri Lanka. Unless you can prove me otherwise, stop the revitionism.

"Islam spread in Ethiopia through Somali Saints"

Somalis only spread Islam among pagan Oromos and, I'll say it for the millionth time, Islam had a presence in Ethiopia since Aksum. The first and seconf ever mosques are in Eritrea/Ethiopia and the first ever Muslim community was established there. Also, the rest of Oromo Muslims got converted by Muslim Amhara kingdoms, Somalis only converted the ones in the Ogaden.

Finally, Ajuuran lost to the Portuguese despite outnumbering them over twice their size....

The Ethiopians also defeated the Ottomans who teporarely occupied the coast, multiple times. The Ottomans were the strongest empire at the time along with the Potuguese.

 

[Samaalic Era]

Son, there is no evidence of Ajuran ever bringing even a crumb of Islam into Sri Lanka. Unless you can prove me otherwise, stop the revitionism.

"Islam spread in Ethiopia through Somali Saints"

Somalis only spread Islam among pagan Oromos and, I'll say it for the millionth time, Islam had a presence in Ethiopia since Aksum. The first and seconf ever mosques are in Eritrea/Ethiopia and the first ever Muslim community was established there. Also, the rest of Oromo Muslims got converted by Muslim Amhara kingdoms, Somalis only converted the ones in the Ogaden.

Finally, Ajuuran lost to the Portuguese despite outnumbering them over twice their size....

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The Ethiopians also defeated the Ottomans who teporarely occupied the coast, multiple times. The Ottomans were the strongest empire at the time along with the Potuguese.

If you read my post, I said Aw Barkhadle spread Islam to Maldives and Sri Lanka, the difference being that Ajuuran also ruled the Maldives. Islam never flourished in Ethiopia and the Negus himself hid his faith. Islam properly entered Ethiopia with Ahmed Gurey and then Somali saints. Also, @geeljire madaxweyne posted sources from Portuguese accounts of the Battle of Barawa and the Portuguese lost.

 

[Yibir Huur]

If you read my post, I said Aw Barkhadle spread Islam to Maldives and Sri Lanka, the difference being that Ajuuran also ruled the Maldives. Islam never flourished in Ethiopia and the Negus himself hid his faith. Islam properly entered Ethiopia with Ahmed Gurey and then Somali saints. Also, @geeljire madaxweyne posted sources from Portuguese accounts of the Battle of Barawa and the Portuguese lost.

1) Aw Barkhadle spread Islam in the Maldives but there's no shread of evidence that he spread it to Sri Lanka. I asked you to post any sort of evidence and you haven't, therefore we can establish there was no influence in the Maldives. Just accept it was limited to the tiny nation of the Maldives.

2) As I said before, Somalis never converted any "Ethiopians" apart from Oromo pagans. Now, Ethiopia already had Muslim sultanates and kingdoms before Adal was even a thing. Such as the Showa sultanate ruled by Amhara Muslims, which claim descent from the Muslim migrants in Aksum that migrated south. There you ago, we established Muslim kingdoms before Adal was even a thing. Saying islam never florished in Ethiopia before Somalis invaded Oromos is just an erraneous statement.

3) Where are these accounts that the Portuguese lost at Barawa? Until you show us evidence it means nothing.

 

[Cilmi-doon]

Mansa Musa was wealthy but amounted to nothing and Mali and Songhai are irrelevant

What do you mean “Mansa Musa amounted to nothing” ?

Explain how “Mali and Songhai are irrelevant” ?