The Concept of Nations and Leaders- A Qur'anic Perspective

[Samaalic Era]

The nations and tribes of the world today fall into several categories which are derived from the culture. Before I delve into some of the categories, I will list some below and bare with the naming as this concept doesn't exist



Some examples of different nations and what category they are in and explanation of the category
Pyramidic Nations- These nations are modelled after Fircoon and his class based system. These nations were the first to form Kingdoms, established serfdom and invention throughout history. Ones status and lineage is derived on location and job. These nations do not produce Iconic figures but have stable set of leaders and the influence steady expands. Pyramidic nations are in general stable.


Pyramidic Nations:
Babylon
Egypt
Kush
Roman Empire
European Kingdoms
Japan
China
Persia


Abrahamic Nations- These nations are modelled after Ibrahim pbuh and Nomadism. These nations spread Law and civilisation around the globe. These nations are unpredictable and unstable leadership. These nations are build on the concept of independence, family ties and lineage. Abrahamic nations all track Lineage and is the foundation of society. Abrahamic nations do not have stable leadership but instead produce Extraordinary Charismatic Leadership that is followed by decline and Collapse. These nations are filled with intrigue and mystery. Dramatic in their rise to power and unstoppable. The worlds Laws were inherited from them. Abrahamic nations rise and when they fall, they never return . Not all Abrahamic nations have reached their potential

Abrahamic nations
Bani Israil
Arab Caliphates
Samaalic Peoples(Somalis,Afars and Rendile)


Hedonistic Nations- These nations are opportunistic,docile and treacherous. There is no concept of Kin,Law or Kingdom. These nations people can not ever function without a central power. Its people have no loyalty to anything, not to Religion,Nation, tribe or family. These nations are truly the survival of the fittest but there is no winner in hindsight. These nations are conquered and pacified by either Pyramidic or Abrahamic or Hybrid Nation. They produce Self serving leaders

Hedonistic Nations:
Bantus
Native Americans


Hybrid Nations- These are nations are partly Hedonistic with Pyramidic traits

Hybrid Nations:
Mongols
Indians
Ethiopians
Berbers

What do you guys think?

 

[Ayubi]

Didn't Bantus produce great empires like Mali and Songhai?

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Interesting break down.

I disagree with placing the early Arab Caliphates(Rashidun, Umayyad and Abbasid) under Abrahamic. Reason being because once the Arabs conquered Sassanid Iran/Persia, they incorporated a lot of the institutional/bureaucratic practices from the Persians and society became very regimented & class based, much like the Roman and Egyptian Empires.

 

[Samaalic Era]

Didn't Bantus produce great empires like Mali and Songhai?

Mansa Musa was wealthy but amounted to nothing and Mali and Songhai are irrelevant

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

The nations and tribes of the world today fall into several categories which are derived from the culture. Before I delve into some of the categories, I will list some below and bare with the naming as this concept doesn't exist

Hybrid Nations

Some examples of different nations and what category they are in and explanation of the category
Pyramidic Nations- These nations are modelled after Fircoon and his class based system. These nations were the first to form Kingdoms, established serfdom and invention throughout history. Ones status and lineage is derived on location and job. These nations do not produce Iconic figures but have stable set of leaders and the influence steady expands. Pyramidic nations are in general stable.


Pyramidic Nations:
Babylon
Egypt
Kush
Roman Empire
European Kingdoms
Japan
China
Persia


Abrahamic Nations- These nations are modelled after Ibrahim pbuh and Nomadism. These nations spread Law and civilisation around the globe. These nations are unpredictable and unstable leadership. These nations are build on the concept of independence, family ties and lineage. Abrahamic nations all track Lineage and is the foundation of society. Abrahamic nations do not have stable leadership but instead produce Extraordinary Charismatic Leadership that is followed by decline and Collapse. These nations are filled with intrigue and mystery. Dramatic in their rise to power and unstoppable. The worlds Laws were inherited from them. Abrahamic nations rise and when they fall, they never return Not all Abrahamic nations have reached their potential

Abrahamic nations
Bani Israil
Arab Caliphates
Samaalic Peoples(Somalis,Afars and Rendile)


Hedonistic Nations- These nations are opportunistic,docile and treacherous. There is no concept of Kin,Law or Kingdom. These nations people can not ever function without a central power. Its people have no loyalty to anything, not to Religion,Nation, tribe or family. These nations are truly the survival of the fittest but there is no winner in hindsight. These nations are conquered and pacified by either Pyramidic or Abrahamic or Hybrid Nation. They produce Self serving leaders

Hedonistic Nations:
Bantus
Native Americans


Hybrid Nations- These are nations are partly Hedonistic with Pyramidic traits

Hybrid Nations:
Mongols
Indians
Ethiopians
Berbers

What do you guys think?

In ancient times, kind of.

India was Pyramidic. And somalis were more like hybrid nations

 

[Samaalic Era]

Interesting break down.

I would disagree with placing the early Arab Caliphates(Rashidun, Umyyaad and Abbasid) under Abrahamic. Reason being because once the Arabs conquered Sassanid Iran/Persia, they incorporated a lot of the institutional/bureaucratic practices from the Persians and society became very regimented & class based, much like the Roman and Egyptian Empires.

Thats true, The Umayyad and Abbasids did become Pyramidic After the Rashidun collaspe

 

[Samaalic Era]

In ancient times, kind of.

India was Pyramidic. And somalis were more like hybrid nations

The Indian society is both Pyramidic and Hedonistic . They are both class system but the people are hedonistic and opportunistic

 

[Helios]

The nations and tribes of the world today fall into several categories which are derived from the culture. Before I delve into some of the categories, I will list some below and bare with the naming as this concept doesn't exist

Hybrid Nations

Some examples of different nations and what category they are in and explanation of the category
Pyramidic Nations- These nations are modelled after Fircoon and his class based system. These nations were the first to form Kingdoms, established serfdom and invention throughout history. Ones status and lineage is derived on location and job. These nations do not produce Iconic figures but have stable set of leaders and the influence steady expands. Pyramidic nations are in general stable.


Pyramidic Nations:
Babylon
Egypt
Kush
Roman Empire
European Kingdoms
Japan
China
Persia


Abrahamic Nations- These nations are modelled after Ibrahim pbuh and Nomadism. These nations spread Law and civilisation around the globe. These nations are unpredictable and unstable leadership. These nations are build on the concept of independence, family ties and lineage. Abrahamic nations all track Lineage and is the foundation of society. Abrahamic nations do not have stable leadership but instead produce Extraordinary Charismatic Leadership that is followed by decline and Collapse. These nations are filled with intrigue and mystery. Dramatic in their rise to power and unstoppable. The worlds Laws were inherited from them. Abrahamic nations rise and when they fall, they never return Not all Abrahamic nations have reached their potential

Abrahamic nations
Bani Israil
Arab Caliphates
Samaalic Peoples(Somalis,Afars and Rendile)


Hedonistic Nations- These nations are opportunistic,docile and treacherous. There is no concept of Kin,Law or Kingdom. These nations people can not ever function without a central power. Its people have no loyalty to anything, not to Religion,Nation, tribe or family. These nations are truly the survival of the fittest but there is no winner in hindsight. These nations are conquered and pacified by either Pyramidic or Abrahamic or Hybrid Nation. They produce Self serving leaders

Hedonistic Nations:
Bantus
Native Americans


Hybrid Nations- These are nations are partly Hedonistic with Pyramidic traits

Hybrid Nations:
Mongols
Indians
Ethiopians
Berbers

What do you guys think?

Where is the quranic perspective lol

 

[Samaalic Era]

Where is the quranic perspective lol

Fircoon introduced the class system. This is mentioned in the Qur'an. The story of Bani Israel and other monetheistic nations who rose to power and their sudden demise. The stories of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Allah swt mentions all these groups. The Qur'an is very deep

 

[CaliTedesse]

The nations and tribes of the world today fall into several categories which are derived from the culture. Before I delve into some of the categories, I will list some below and bare with the naming as this concept doesn't exist



Some examples of different nations and what category they are in and explanation of the category
Pyramidic Nations- These nations are modelled after Fircoon and his class based system. These nations were the first to form Kingdoms, established serfdom and invention throughout history. Ones status and lineage is derived on location and job. These nations do not produce Iconic figures but have stable set of leaders and the influence steady expands. Pyramidic nations are in general stable.


Pyramidic Nations:
Babylon
Egypt
Kush
Roman Empire
European Kingdoms
Japan
China
Persia


Abrahamic Nations- These nations are modelled after Ibrahim pbuh and Nomadism. These nations spread Law and civilisation around the globe. These nations are unpredictable and unstable leadership. These nations are build on the concept of independence, family ties and lineage. Abrahamic nations all track Lineage and is the foundation of society. Abrahamic nations do not have stable leadership but instead produce Extraordinary Charismatic Leadership that is followed by decline and Collapse. These nations are filled with intrigue and mystery. Dramatic in their rise to power and unstoppable. The worlds Laws were inherited from them. Abrahamic nations rise and when they fall, they never return Not all Abrahamic nations have reached their potential

Abrahamic nations
Bani Israil
Arab Caliphates
Samaalic Peoples(Somalis,Afars and Rendile)


Hedonistic Nations- These nations are opportunistic,docile and treacherous. There is no concept of Kin,Law or Kingdom. These nations people can not ever function without a central power. Its people have no loyalty to anything, not to Religion,Nation, tribe or family. These nations are truly the survival of the fittest but there is no winner in hindsight. These nations are conquered and pacified by either Pyramidic or Abrahamic or Hybrid Nation. They produce Self serving leaders

Hedonistic Nations:
Bantus
Native Americans


Hybrid Nations- These are nations are partly Hedonistic with Pyramidic traits

Hybrid Nations:
Mongols
Indians
Ethiopians
Berbers

What do you guys think?

What is an iconic figure to you since you mention pyramidic nations do not produce iconic figures?

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

What is an iconic figure to you since you mention pyramidic nations do not produce iconic figures?

That's another claim i disagree with. Pyramidic civilisations have produced many notable figures, such as Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Napoleon and so on.

 

[Yibir Huur]

Very biased and illogical breakdown in my opinion.

The Romans, Egyptians, Persians, Chinese, Japanese. According to you these people never produced any iconic figures to you....? They never had society based on lineage and nepostism to you...?

Also, Somalia never produced an outstanding leader nor had any influence outside of the horn. The only thing that makes us "Abrahamic" is the fact that we adopted Islam and have clan based system, that's it.

And Ethiopia should either be pyramidic or Abrahamic if not both. Second nation to adopt Christianity and first hijra + first and second mosques ever built. They were conquerors, their legacy and empires are also far more influential, older, and important than Somalia's...by far. How can you put them in the same category as Berbers? lmao

I think Somalia should be a hedonistic-Abrahamic civilisation.

 

[Yibir Huur]

What is an iconic figure to you since you mention pyramidic nations do not produce iconic figures?

That's another claim i disagree. Pyramidic civilisations have produced many notable figures, such as Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Napoleon and so on.

Exactly. I found it weird when he said that lol

 

[Samaalic Era]

That's another claim i disagree with. Pyramidic civilisations have produced many notable figures, such as Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Napoleon and so on.

Very biased and illogical breakdown.

The Romans, Egyptians, Persians, Chinese, Japanese. According to you these people never produced any iconic figures to you....? They never had society based on lineage and nepostism to you...?

Also, Somalia never produced an outstanding leader nor had any influence outside of the horn. The only thing that makes us "Abrahamic" is the fact that we adopted Islam and have clan based system, that's it.

and Ethiopia should either be pyramidic or Abrahamic if not both. Second nation to adopt Christianity and first hijra + first and second mosques ever built. They were conquerors, their legacy and empires are also far more influential, older, and important than Somalia's...by far. How can you put them in the same category as Berbers? lmao

I think Somalia should be a hedonistic-Abrahamic civilisation.

What is an iconic figure to you since you mention pyramidic nations do not produce iconic figures?

In terms of Iconic, I mean figures like Muhammad, Genghis Khan, Paul the Apostle. Napoleon is one also but the others are Monarchs who carried on where others left off. I mean figures who rose out of nowhere and built a nation from scratch and brought law to their people

 

[Samaalic Era]

Very biased and illogical breakdown in my opinion.

The Romans, Egyptians, Persians, Chinese, Japanese. According to you these people never produced any iconic figures to you....? They never had society based on lineage and nepostism to you...?

Also, Somalia never produced an outstanding leader nor had any influence outside of the horn. The only thing that makes us "Abrahamic" is the fact that we adopted Islam and have clan based system, that's it.

And Ethiopia should either be pyramidic or Abrahamic if not both. Second nation to adopt Christianity and first hijra + first and second mosques ever built. They were conquerors, their legacy and empires are also far more influential, older, and important than Somalia's...by far. How can you put them in the same category as Berbers? lmao

I think Somalia should be a hedonistic-Abrahamic civilisation.

Somalis have the Abrahamic traits .Somalis took Islam to the Maldives, Tanzania,Ethiopia and Sri Lanka. Somalis had the Ajuuran Kingdom, a Hydraulic empire. Somalis used the Wadaad script and flourishing ports of Mogadishu,Marka,Berbera,Hobyo and Barawe

 

[Yibir Huur]

In terms of Iconic, I mean figures like Muhammad, Genghis Khan, Paul the Apostle. Napoleon is one also but the others are Monarchs who carried on where others left off. I mean figures who rose out of nowhere and built a nation from scratch and brought law to their people

Well Genghis Khan was nothing but a brutal conqueror as well. The Mongols were a mighty force but they weren't scholars or people innovation. They just invaded and conquered. I now get more of what you mean by "iconic" but those people are 1 among millions, plus they didn't really sprout from civilisation. You can't say the Bedouins sproted the prophet (pbuh) nor can you say Paul the Apostle came from a specific nation. They were just very special individuals and have little to do with their countries.

 

[Samaalic Era]

Well Genghis Khan was nothing but a brutal conqueror as well. The Mongols were a mighty force but they weren't scholars or people innovation. They just invaded and conquered. I now get more of what you mean by "iconic" but those people are 1 among millions, plus they didn't really sprout from civilisation. You can't say the Bedouins sproted the prophet (pbuh) nor can you say Paul the Apostle came from a specific nation. They were just very special individuals and have little to do with their countries.

There is a quote where Winton churchill said in regards to the Muslim world that they produce Charismatic figures and although I cant remember the full quote due to Islam

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

In terms of Iconic, I mean figures like Muhammad, Genghis Khan, Paul the Apostle. Napoleon is one also but the others are Monarchs who carried on where others left off. I mean figures who rose out of nowhere and built a nation from scratch and brought law to their people

Sargon of Akkad is the perfect guy for your definition. He brought law and order to his people and ruled over the first empire in recorded Human history.

 

[Samaalic Era]

Sargon of Akkad is the perfect guy for your definition. He brought law and order to his people and built the first empire in recorded Human history.

Thats exactly what Im referring to. Thats a good example

 

[Yibir Huur]

There is a quote where Winton churchill said in regards to the Muslim world that they produce Charismatic figures and although I cant remember the full quote due to Islam

Uhm...Churchill was massively islamophobic and didn't respect Islam. This is how poorly he thought of Islam and Muslims.