The black label.

[Angelina]

Quick question, If Somalis are indeed 60% SSA through a group related to or are the ancestors of Nilotic peoples, why do many Somalis get offended with the black label?

Im not arguing pro or against. Personally I’m Somali first and don’t care too much for pan-Africanism or the black label. I’m mostly interested in the visceral dislike many Somalis feel when they’re mostly SSA anyway which is the definition of being ‘black’.

@Nilotic
@Odious Delirium
@Man with a garuun
@Abdisamad
@Shimbiris
@Yaraye
@Idrus
@Scipio Africanus
@Keep it a boqol
@El Nino
@Chase
@Chaseyourdreamzz
@World
@cooli3o
@Qeelbax

 

[Scipio Africanus]

It’s actually closer to 50-55% on average. To answer your question though, the average Somali does look Black, but it’s more of a cultural issue that makes a lot Somalis want to separate themselves from other Blacks.

 

[Angelina]

It’s actually closer to 50-55% on average. To answer your question though, the average Somali does look Black, but it’s more of a cultural issue that makes a lot Somalis want to separate themselves from other Blacks.

So Somalis are 50% Natufian and 50% a group who are the ancestors of Nilotic people?

 

[Odious Delirium]

Me personally I don't really care for the label or felt strongly in either direction about it. I'm somali first and I'm very much opportunistic beyond that based off my surroundings. I don't think I have ever denied the black label but neither have I ever gone out of my way to claim it. However I'm very much anti pan africanism.

And I go along with whatever people assume I am which has been very beneficial for me since I get confused for other groups a lot so I get treated as part of the in group a lot aswell

 

[ina-cilmi]

dk abt the 60% sub saharan shit, as far as i know we're fully african but idc too much but i think i can shed light as to why (some) somalis deny the black label.

the people that identify with "BLACK" are usually african americans, since their identity was stolen from them. Black history, black culture black anything usually refers to them. Somalis do not relate to any of these things. we have no connection to their culture or history and even religion.

to be "somali" and to be "black" are two very different things.

Race in general is also a very flawed concept that groups a lot of people together on the basis of something as silly as skin color and EVEN then it isnt fully consistent.

South indians for the most part are very black yet arent considered black as in race.
Arabs and east asians look nothing alike yet are both considered asians.
a lot of east asians are just as pale as europeans yet are two different races.
latinos and Arabs look incredibly similar, so much so thta the two get confused a lot based on appearance yet theyre two different races.

Race is not based in science and makes no sense in general. its fully a social construct. that may be why a lot of somalis deny being black, because they cant find themselves in it.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

My perspective is North America and Europe is different Europe people identify more with nationality North America especially USA is more race centered I identify as Somali and muslim first though personally black second

 

[Scipio Africanus]

So Somalis are 50% Natufian and 50% a group who are the ancestors of Nilotic people?

It’s a spectrum, 40-50% Natufian. I think the average is 45% Natufian-like DNA.

 

[Khaem]

Quick question, If Somalis are indeed 60% SSA through a group related to or are the ancestors of Nilotic peoples, why do many Somalis get offended with the black label?

Im not arguing pro or against. Personally I’m Somali first and don’t care too much for pan-Africanism or the black label. I’m mostly interested in the visceral dislike many Somalis feel when they’re mostly SSA anyway which is the definition of being ‘black’.

Somalis are 60% Proto nilotic. Nothing to do with the Niger Congo peoples of west/central/south & south-east Africa.

Somalis have never associated with a foriegn peoples, let alone a Christian peoples. We are an isolationist race who likes to keep to themselves and have a strong "us vs them" attitude to the world.
My great grandfather probably doesn't even know what a black person looked like, he was too busy on chilling on the red sea coast across from yemen and beefing afars to care about these people.

All Somalis aside from those living in the west, identify as somali & their clan only. We do not care about oromo and Afar in Ethiopia who are near identical to us, why would we care about Nigerians? No one in somaliweyn gives a damn about the "black race" they are irrelevant. Same thing with the "white race" who are also irrelevant in somali society. Heck Arabs and Indians got more clout in the mouths of people walking Mogadishu. We don't constantly talk about colonialism or white people like other african countries nor do we talk about black people. These two groups simply don't have any importance to the average somali.

In the diaspora it's different, we live in their gaalo nations. But still, somali don't easily give up their identity and will still see a black man as a foriengier. Because they are. All people who are not Somalis are Shisheeye. Black people look different & many Christian. They are as foriegn to the Somali as an Indian.

So the reason we don't identity with "black people" is because they are Shisheeye, foriengiers just like any other people. We have no history with them, they are genetically unrelated to us, why would we claim to be the same people as them? It's a lie and no proper Somali would beg it to a Shisheeye. We are a arrogant people who value lineage, not random colonial era concepts like the black or white "race".
The ones we live among in the west are Christians which is the religion somalis have fought against for a thousand years thanks to our historic rivalry with the highlanders.

 

[Odious Delirium]

@Angelina being called black only really makes sense for AAs. This whole black things is supposed to be the American black vs whites caste system to take away everyone's ethnic identity away so they become "race" loyal since America is a country made of immigrant this was set up that way so they get absorbed by either side and ditch the culture they came from once they have assimilated as so they know there place in society.

Since globalisation that ideology has been spread to the world

 

[Angelina]

@Angelina being called black only really makes sense for AAs. This whole black things is supposed to be the American black vs whites caste system to take away everyone's ethnic identity away so they become "race" loyal since America is a country made of immigrant this was set up that way so they get absorbed by either side and ditch the culture they came from once they have assimilated as so they know there place in society.

Since globalisation that ideology has been spread to the world

More to do with people being lazy. No one cares about DNA as I’ve pointed out in the other thread when we talking about Sudanese people. We live in a world in which people are focused on appearance and SSA people have a look and regardless of your background you’ll be put in that category.

 

[hamar_oo_iidil]

Quick question, If Somalis are indeed 60% SSA through a group related to or are the ancestors of Nilotic peoples, why do many Somalis get offended with the black label?

Im not arguing pro or against. Personally I’m Somali first and don’t care too much for pan-Africanism or the black label. I’m mostly interested in the visceral dislike many Somalis feel when they’re mostly SSA anyway which is the definition of being ‘black’.

@Nilotic
@Odious Delirium
@Man with a garuun
@Abdisamad
@Shimbiris
@Yaraye
@Idrus
@Scipio Africanus
@Keep it a boqol
@El Nino
@Chase
@Chaseyourdreamzz
@World
@cooli3o
@Qeelbax

I’ve never been anti-black or being labelled madow. The real secret is Somalis are black but black people haven’t ever accepted us as black because we’re so different to them. And I guess some butt hurt Somalis thought what the hell, if blacks don’t like us we’re no longer black. I am not a pan-Africanist but I do identify as a black man not as per white people seeing me as black. But because I consider being black as being a person of colour from the continent of Africa

 

[Khaem]

More to do with people being lazy. No one cares about DNA as I’ve pointed out in the other thread when we talking about Sudanese people. We live in a world in which people are focused on appearance and SSA people have a look and regardless of your background you’ll be put in that category.

Phenotypes play a massive role in who people view as part of their group and out of it.
North africans are not at all Arab in blood compared to the sudanese but the average person will say otherwise. Simply because north africans are phenotypically like arabs whilst sudanese aren't for the most part.

 

[Odious Delirium]

More to do with people being lazy. No one cares about DNA as I’ve pointed out in the other thread when we talking about Sudanese people. We live in a world in which people are focused on appearance and SSA people have a look and regardless of your background you’ll be put in that category.

But that's Exactly the thing that makes race a soical construct.

I'm no less somali then anyone on this forum but I have been precived as middle eastern/asian in both positive and negative interactions based off my appearance. Does that mean I'm no longer black since being black is about being from SSA? (which isn't true since that's not the only classification according to those that think race is real)
Plus what about that Nigerian couple who had a white child is that kid no longer black?

People's main argument for some reason is always "but the police will treat you like your black/white People will treat you like a black person" etc in all these scenarios I have not been treated like a black person does that mean I'm no longer black or even African since I tend to get associated with non SSA?

Plus aren't somalis treated as there own thing or precived differently at the very least by different groups? Does this mean when random mathows/cadaans say somalis are non African invaders that we now are non African invaders because they choose to precive us that way?


Me personally I just go with the flow if whoever I'm talking to thinks somalis are Black then I'm black I don't challenge and neither do I if they think we are arab or our own thing. Etc

 

[kulane]

Because of self hate. Somalis are the biggest skin bleachers in the world. Somali people hate their skin so much it's unbelievable. Black is automatically seen as ugly in somali culture whereas white/light is seen as beautiful, which is weird because somalis are the second darkest race in the world after nilotes . But to the rest of the world somali people are indeed considered as black people. Nobody cares about slim nose or curly hair.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Because of self hate. Somalis are the biggest skin bleachers in the world. Somali people hate their skin so much it's unbelievable.Black is automatically seen ugly in somali culture whereas white/light is seen as beautiful, which is weird because somalis are the second darkest race in the world after nilotes . But to the rest of the world somali people are indeed considered as black people. Nobody cares about slim nose or curly hair.

Bruh what you doing in here crying on sspot ain't gonna get you any somali girls

 

[Juke]

Because of self hate. Somalis are the biggest skin bleachers in the world. Somali people hate their skin so much it's unbelievable.Black is automatically seen ugly in somali culture whereas white/light is seen as beautiful, which is weird because somalis are the second darkest race in the world after nilotes . But to the rest of the world somali people are indeed considered as black people. Nobody cares about slim nose or curly hair.

Give it a rest Babatunde

 

[kulane]

Bruh what you doing in here crying on sspot ain't gonna get you any somali girls

so just because i'm not politically correct and telling the truth i'm not somali ? Yaab

 

[xiin-finiin.]

Quick question, If Somalis are indeed 60% SSA through a group related to or are the ancestors of Nilotic peoples, why do many Somalis get offended with the black label?

Im not arguing pro or against. Personally I’m Somali first and don’t care too much for pan-Africanism or the black label. I’m mostly interested in the visceral dislike many Somalis feel when they’re mostly SSA anyway which is the definition of being ‘black’.

@Nilotic
@Odious Delirium
@Man with a garuun
@Abdisamad
@Shimbiris
@Yaraye
@Idrus
@Scipio Africanus
@Keep it a boqol
@El Nino
@Chase
@Chaseyourdreamzz
@World
@cooli3o
@Qeelbax

lets be honest, it has everything to do with somalis not seeing themselves as black. even back home, the phrase "maa madow baa/ are they black" is used to ask if a person is non-horner/bantu. Even before we come to the west and are introduced to the idea of race, we don't identify with most other Africans. Thus when we come to the west, we become even more vocal about it.

 

[Odious Delirium]

so just because i'm not politically correct and telling the truth i'm not somali ? Yaab

Yes because you always otherise somalis as if you ain't one of us in very single comment you have ever made and have been caught out slipping on numerous occasions as a Nigerian.

Just give it a rest bro we get it some somali girl rejected you and now you have it out for all of us

There is defo one out there for you don't give up hope

 

[kulane]

Yes because you always otherise somalis as if you ain't one of us in very single comment you have ever made and have been caught out slipping on numerous occasions as a Nigerian.

Just give it a rest bro we get it some somali girl rejected you and now you have it out for all of us

There is defo one out there for you don't give up hope

what would i gain by pretending to be somali out of all people ?