Horta don't ever quote me again you little cockroach.You lost
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Some Thoughts on Dark Skin & Somalis
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I can't stand your ass.
Do me a favor and take yourself to the nearest dumpster you fucking trash.
These 'woke' SJW's can't even bring one example to back up their claims of colourism, but still wanna throw around the word like we're some colour-struck African Americans or mentally colonized Asians. Looks like we won this battle boys. 
Horta don't ever quote me again you little cockroach.
I can't stand your ass.
Do me a favor and take yourself to the nearest dumpster you fucking trash.
Many Somalis in Somalia have the same dark skin color as bantus, some even darker.
So logic must be weak on your end if you are trying to infer that they are excluded based on skin tone and not because they are ethnically/racially distinct from us.
Nah y'all didn't win shit.These 'woke' SJW's can even bring one example to back up their claims of colourism, but still wanna throw around the word like we're some colour-struck African Americans mentally raped Asians. Looks like we won this battle boys.
I'm too tired to be arguing the facts over colorism in the Somali community.
You're really going to sit and tell me lighter women aren't perceived "prettier".
I've seen dark skinned girls torn down my whole life by their families for being too dark.
My own fairly liberal mother tells me to stay out of the sun so I can keep my skin color.
A lot of Somali girls bleach and if they don't they wear a foundation too light for them.
Don't sit here and lie the lighter you are the better you are in the Somali culture.
There is no positive or negative connotations attached to Madobe or Caade . They are nicknames based on Somali physical attributes some Somalis are dark and some are light. Just like there are nicknames like Afweyne (big mouth (Siad barre), Af-yare(Small mouth), Indho-yare(small eyes),culusow,faroole, timo jileec timo Madow.,etc. Its just a cultural thing because we as a group have variations in looks.
Them being negative or positive depends on the context it is used in.
If being lightskin caad was a marker of social status. Reer Benadiri(Caad Caad) would not be the marginalized disenfranchised community they are today in Somalia.
if you looking at skin color to define beauty. You got issues.
Being light don't make u pretty nor being dark make you ugly
Being light don't make u pretty nor being dark make you ugly
One of the most powerful warlords: Habar gedir hawiye
Very popular poet: isaaq
Longest serving governor in Puntland: Majeerteen
All these guys have Madow/bantu features, yet they were influential. They had something the bantus don't have: powerful clan affiliations. Don't summarise our complicated tribal structure to a non-existing, petty thing as colourism.
Horta did you even bother reading my post.
Look up the definition of 'perception'.
Even though I think dark skinned girls are the prettiest girls.
I don't think light skinned girls are ugly either.
Horta did you even bother reading my post.
Look up the definition of 'perception'.
Even though I think dark skinned girls are the prettiest girls.
I don't think light skinned girls are ugly either.
We are still waiting for your example nayaa.
Go back and read my post.One of the most powerful warlords: Habar gedir hawiye
Very popular poet: isaaq
Longest serving governor in Puntland: Majeerteen
All these guys have Madow/bantu features, yet they were influential. They had something the bantus don't have: powerful clan affiliations. Don't summarise our complicated tribal structure to a non-existing, petty thing as colourism.
I specified women.
Men don't bleach.
But who perpetuates the concept of beauty?
It's not that serious for men so y'all would never understand.
Nobody quote me again.
I'm done with this topic.
I'd be better off talking to a brick wall.
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You seem to be missing his point completely lol.
To be honest if I had to give an answer I'd say you lost this argument
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What's happening here is one element is being construed for another, af if the presence of one is lessened by the other.
Statement: Somalis are featurist not colorist.
No. Somalis are definitely colorist. Being featurist is true, but it's not limited by the rampant colorism in our community. In fact, skin tone is itself a feature. A beauty feature. And one considered in a positive light by our culture, just as it is with many other cultures in the world.
Statement: Somalis are featurist not colorist.
No. Somalis are definitely colorist. Being featurist is true, but it's not limited by the rampant colorism in our community. In fact, skin tone is itself a feature. A beauty feature. And one considered in a positive light by our culture, just as it is with many other cultures in the world.
I think the men and the women have got it wrong so many men are arguing that there's no colorism because there are many somali men who marry women that are darker than them, which is true.
And the women are saying that their is colorism because women bleach their skin etc etc, which is also right.
now here is what I think. Colorism exists but it's generally done by the womens mother they are the ones who tell their daughters to stay out of sun light to not become dhuxul so then a woman thinks that lighter skin is better however most Somali men don't care about skin color and as many people pointed out are featureist meaning that they care about the features the women has not the skin color
All in all I think that us somali men and somali women view the world from a different lens and there's colorism or not depending on how you look at it
And the women are saying that their is colorism because women bleach their skin etc etc, which is also right.
now here is what I think. Colorism exists but it's generally done by the womens mother they are the ones who tell their daughters to stay out of sun light to not become dhuxul so then a woman thinks that lighter skin is better however most Somali men don't care about skin color and as many people pointed out are featureist meaning that they care about the features the women has not the skin color
All in all I think that us somali men and somali women view the world from a different lens and there's colorism or not depending on how you look at it
Well yea, I've said many times already in this thread that it's just one feature among many that are considered aesthetic on a female. How does it being merely a beauty feature translate into Somali society being colorist? Do families refuse or discourage their sons and daughters from marrying darker Somalis? Do darker Somalis find it harder to find a job in Somalia? Are they less likely to be promoted in Somalia? Are darker women looked down upon and socially devalued in our society? Do lighter Somalis prefer socializing with other lighter Somalis? Is there an 'us vs them' mentality between light skin and dark skin Somalis? If the answer to all of this is no, then how can u possibly say with a straight face that there is colourism in Somali society?
The only reason Somali women keep bringing up skin colour and continue to use lightening creams is because it's the only feature they can permanently change with very little cost and with no invasive surgery. So it's not the case that being light skinned is more important than other features, in fact it's less important than most of them, such as having nice facial features. It's just that people like to focus on what they can change and have control over and to ignore the things they're stuck with. It's similar to how men focus on going to the gym and getting into shape in order to become better looking even though facial handsomeness is much more important for attracting females. Countless studies have shown that facial attractiveness matters more in the mating game than having a gym body (this matters too of course), yet men never or rarely discuss their faces, because they have no control over this and cannot change it, and always talk about working out and eating right, since this they can control and use it to transform their bodies.
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This is true.
I've spoken for preference on here so I do give credence to personal preference, but to slather Somali views on color or skin tone as individual personal preferences and not a group sum situation, and to claim there no colorism in Somali community would be a big, FAT lie. Colorism is rife in the Somali psyche. I think those best understanding of it are those of us who are light, and by light I mean light, and darker than brown Somalis, the actual dark Somalis, not the brown skin, medium tones.
Somalis laud lightness and darkness (that's if it is lauded at all) in turn, thus playing lighter and darker girls off each other. There's a general preference shown for the light girl, and disparaging marks towards the dark, even as a child in many cases, and then a jerk steer in the opposite direction where the dark are showered and called genuine and asli (original) the light are called counterfeit and stripped of Somalinimo, or called mixed or 'not real Somalis', almost as if to make up for the status quo. It's unbridled colorism that plays the two 'camps' of women off each other.
I think this site analyzes only one side of colorism, that one towards the dark girl. I really think the darker girls does deal with much worse, that might make them hate their skin tone and therefore elect to change that one thing that marginalizes her interactions, or might consciously elect to marry out or marry light so her children don't experience the overt and covert negative references to her tone she did. But there are side effects for a light girl, believe it or not, and you touched on some of that. Telling little light girls to stay out of the sun, making her aware of its 'value' as a small child. Knowing the weight your skin tone holds in attraction of the opposite sex, and the fake affection that blindsides people. Being told you must have some admixture up the line, or that are you actually probably not full Somali, etc.
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