Somali Scholar Professor Samatar CONDEMNS tribalist Farmajo for his tribally written Theseis

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She has to resort to conspiracy theories. Even then, none of that still applies to your tuulos and federal state. Why does your underwear state look to be the most underdeveloped state in the whole of the Somali peninsula? There's no ISIS, AlShabaab, or AMISOM boogeyman you can blame for why your home town looks like a undeveloped wasteland.


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Somalia and al-Qaeda: Implications for the War on Terrorism
By James Phillips





ABOUT THE AUTHOR

James PhillipsSenior Research Fellow for Middle Eastern Affairs
Douglas and Sarah Allison Center for Foreign and National Security Policy




The United States has made considerable progress in its war against international terrorism, but it still faces contingencies that could complicate its goal of eradicating the scourge of global terrorism. The United States has uprooted Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda ("the Base") terrorist group--and the radical Islamic Taliban regime that protected it--from Afghanistan. Although al-Qaeda and Taliban remnants seek to regroup and challenge the authority of the U.S.-backed Afghan government of Hamid Karzai, bin Laden has lost his foremost safe haven and state sponsor.

1 Largely expelled from Afghanistan, al-Qaeda may seek to regroup in another country where it could count on some degree of local support.

2 U.S. intelligence officials believe that bin Laden owns a number of ships, one of which is suspected of transporting some of the explosives used in the August 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.3Shortly after September 11, U.S. intelligence officials received reports that bin Laden himself planned to move from Afghanistan to Somalia or had already done so.4

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6 The United Nations Security Council launched an emergency food relief operation in August 1992 but was unable to assure the distribution of food supplies because of the deteriorating security situation, particularly in the south. Somali warlords ruthlessly plundered relief supplies to feed and subsidize their own militias.

7 Following the Soviet withdrawal in 1989, many of these estimated 25,000 "Arab Afghans" returned home, where they fostered radical Islamic movements in many Muslim countries, including Somalia. According to U.S. intelligence reports, bin Laden sent Islamic extremists to Somalia in 1991-1992 to help the Somali Islamic radical group al-Ittihad al-Islamiya (Islamic Unity, or AIAI) to organize an armed militia, establish schools and clinics, and prepare to seize power.

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9 He dispatched several lieutenants, including Mohammed Atef, who is believed to have helped plan the September 11 attacks, to help train Somalis in military and terrorist tactics.

10 Several hundred foreign veterans of the Afghan jihad, expelled from Pakistan in 1993, also joined the Somali jihad after passing through Sudan.11 Tariq Nasr Fadhli, a radical Islamic leader from Yemen who fought under bin Laden against the Soviets in Afghanistan, helped bring Yemeni mercenaries to fight in Somalia.12

13 In a 1997 interview with CNN, he gloated that al-Qaeda had trained and organized the Somali fighters who did the actual fighting.14 Al-Qaeda members are suspected of teaching General Aideed's militia how to shoot down U.S. helicopters by altering the fuses of rocket-propelled grenades so that they exploded in mid-air.15 This tactic, developed by the Afghan mujahideen (holy warriors) in their war against the Soviets, was the same one al-Qaeda forces used to bring down two U.S. helicopters near Gardez, Afghanistan, during Operation Anaconda in early March 2002.

16 This also reinforced his contempt for American staying power and fueled his ambitions to use terrorism to drive American influence out of the Muslim world: If the deaths of 18 soldiers could cause the withdrawal of 25,000 U.S. troops from Somalia, bin Laden had reason to believe that killing more Americans could lead to a similar pullout from Saudi Arabia.

17 Some of the members of the same Kenya-based al-Qaeda cell that helped train Somalis to kill U.S. soldiers in 1993 went on to carry out the bombing of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi.18

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20 but its strength has declined significantly as a result of three Ethiopian military interventions in the last six years, provoked by AIAI terrorist attacks.

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23 travelling across Afghanistan to get there would be risky, even if bin Laden trusted Iran's divided government to protect him. Al-Qaeda also has ties to Iraq,24 but that country is more distant and more difficult to enter without being detected by the United States. Sudan, which still harbors some al-Qaeda members, is a possible sanctuary; but Khartoum already has shown bin Laden the door in 1996--and has placed his former mentor, radical Sudanese Islamic ideologue Hassan Turabi, under house arrest.

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27 Since the onset of its chronic civil war and the withdrawal of the U.N. presence, few Westerners and fewer Americans have had the opportunity to follow the tortuous twists and turns of Somalia's factional bloodletting. Little is known about the strength of the AIAI, which has dispersed and melted into its constituent clans since its military defeat by Ethiopia in 1997. Even less is known about the strength and disposition of al-Qaeda forces or the precise nature of their links to AIAI or other Somali groups.

28 Army special forces units assigned to the Central Command have practiced training missions against mock-ups of terrorist compounds, but according to a senior official, "There is not enough intelligence on Somalia right now on which to base an attack."29

30 U.S. soldiers should be employed to capture or kill terrorists, not to function as social workers.

  • 31and the Puntland port of Bosaso reportedly was used to send Somali volunteers to Afghanistan to help bolster al-Qaeda,32 increasing numbers of Puntlanders are said to resent Ethiopia's domination of their political system.

    33 Washington should keep all the factions at arms length and avoid being drawn into their political blood sport.
  • Use covert CIA operations, special operations commandos, and precision air strikes as necessary to target al-Qaeda cells. For the U.S. military, Somalia is a more convenient battlefield than Afghanistan in geostrategic terms. It has a long seacoast that makes it more accessible to carrier-based warplanes, marine landings, and special forces operations. U.S. air power is more effective in finding and hitting targets in Somalia's relatively flat desert terrain, compared to the rugged mountains of Afghanistan. And the military probably has better advanced knowledge of the terrain, based on its deployment in 1992-1994, than it did going into Afghanistan last fall.

    Politically, however, Somalia is much more difficult than Afghanistan. Many Afghans hated the Taliban and were willing to join the fight against it once it became clear that the U.S. air campaign was lethally effective. Somalis will feel threatened, not liberated, by the presence of foreign troops. The Northern Alliance in Afghanistan was a battle-hardened force that had fiercely fought the Taliban for seven years without cracking. But the SRRC and other Somali coalitions can dissolve overnight and re-form in different configurations. Fortunately, this also will be a problem for bin Laden if he chooses to flee to Somalia.

    A war against al-Qaeda in Somalia is likely to look much different from the war in Afghanistan. In Somalia, Al-Qaeda would need to function in a dispersed and hidden manner to avoid deadly air strikes with precision-guided munitions. It would seek to blend in with native Somalis and use civilians as shields. Conventional military operations, and even large special forces operations as in Mogadishu in 1993, could result in heavy civilian casualties.

    Rather than take a sledgehammer approach, which would radicalize Somalis and win bin Laden greater support, the United States should attack isolated targets with small units operating stealthily at night. Lightning "snatch and grab" commando operations should be launched from bases outside of Somalia to limit the presence of foreign troops on the ground. Wherever possible, the United States should use Somali surrogates trained by the CIA and minimize the involvement of Americans on the ground. Moving large numbers of U.S. troops into Somalia would be a lightning rod that would provoke attacks and give al-Qaeda more targets without appreciably increasing the effectiveness of the anti-terrorism campaign.

    Detecting and neutralizing dispersed al-Qaeda cells is more an intelligence problem than a military problem. The CIA should take the lead, supported by Somali paramilitary forces and U.S. special forces. The air war would be much more specialized, involving precision-guided munitions almost exclusively to limit civilian casualties and avoid provoking a backlash from the clans of unintended victims. Most U.S. military forces would be better deployed to deal with more pressing threats from Iraq or elsewhere.
[paste:font size="5"]Conclusion
After being evicted from Afghanistan, al-Qaeda may regroup in Somalia where it has longstanding links to the radical group al-Ittihad al-Islamiya. Washington's first priority should be to deny Osama bin Laden a base in Somalia by intercepting al-Qaeda forces before they reach that failed state. Meanwhile, the United States should increase its intelligence-gathering activities in Somalia to assess the strength of the threat al-Qaeda poses there.

Absent a growing al-Qaeda threat or the move of its leaders to Somalia, the United States should avoid making a sustained military commitment there, which would divert scarce military forces from more urgent missions in Iraq or Afghanistan. The scale of any U.S. military and political commitment should be calibrated to match the threat posed by the al-Qaeda presence in Somalia. If this presence is found to pose little threat to American interests, U.S. military forces should not be deployed there. Instead, the United States should cultivate local Somali allies to root out al-Qaeda.

The United States also should try to contain and defeat AIAI by giving diplomatic, economic, and intelligence support to Somali factions opposed to it, as well as to Ethiopia and Kenya, which are threatened by it. But Washington cannot afford to bog down its overburdened military forces in naïve nation-building efforts that are inherently risky, expensive, and doubtful. It should have learned from the collapse of the Clinton Administration's Somalia intervention in 1993 that no good deed goes unpunished. Nation-building exercises draw peacekeeping forces into the lethal politics of failed states and create new incentives for terrorism and new targets for terrorists to attack.
 

Gambar

VIP
Mog was built by reer xamar years before s even came there. You all only used existing infrastructure or destroyed it. You people don't build anything. That much is a given.

Excuses. Rwanda is land-locked with less resources than the rich lands along with countless ports your people occupy, and we see what you all are capable of after 25 years.
Reer Xamar built Mogadishu? This is a blatant lie. Xitaa wax iskuma falayo.
 

TheLibertarianQuiche

Quintessentially negroid: Your problem?
Clan cleansing book is a political fiction book in which Lidwien Kapteijns tries to depict Hawiye as bloodthirsty savages who had the ultimate goal of wiping darood off the map:icon lol::icon lol:
The entire book written using the words of kacaan loyalists . She even goes as far as to claim darood were superior and dominated all other somali clans for a century:icon lol:
:comeon:


She claims in her book, USC/SPM captured kismaayo in a bloodbath,unleashing all sorts of wild savagery on the civilian populace.:icon lol::icon lol:
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Here's the reality, USC/SPM captured Kiamaayo without firing a single bullet.
Col Omar Jess and Gen Aideed establishing a temporary government after meeting with elders.
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Her book has been throughouly debunked numerous times (using actual footage from the Somali archives) and by academics such as Abdulqadir Osman Aroma.

You could have atleast found a more reliable source, such as video footage.
:mjlol:




Gaalkacyo wars started long before 91.

In the early 80's during kacaan vs mahbar (ay militia) wars, the interior minister of Afweyne regime met with all clans in mudug (mj not included) and offered us to massacre you with government arms, This is what he said “waa idiin bannaan tahay naf iyo maalba, inaad dishaan oo dhacdaan oo naagahooda meher la’aan guursataan Cumar Maxamuud”.

This was the response of sacad leaders at the time, Jaamac Seed “nooma bannaana, waa Muslim, waa Somaali, waa deris, waa xigto iyo xidid”.

:wow:


Fast foward to late 80's during war against HG, mj were given the same offer (after ssdf afweyne deal) and they went round pillaging our towns of Dagaari, Gowlalo,Sadle-Higlo, Bandiiradley, Galinsor, Wargalo, Do'ol, Halimo, Go'ondalay and Galkayo while hiding behind Afweyne's shirt.:uCkf6mf:



91 revenge killings were a direct response to what happened in what ssdf done,
it was not Caydiid (AUN) nor USC orders!
you have to take that up with Qeybdiid, the man you welcomed like a hero in garowe a few years ago.
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Caydiid(AUN) and other USC leaders, such as Col. Jess, took swift action, halting all revenge attacks and allowing you back into Mudug.

The reason you are in Mudug is because of the good actions of Caydiid (aun), who told qeybdiid to withdraw from all captured land.

:ufdup:



Hawiye have always been present in gaalkacyo and xamar, that is an undeniable fact.

This here is conspiracy theories at its best. This man here denies genocide and is an insult to Somalis everywhere.

I lost a lot of family because of Aidiid and wollahi I will make sure that his followers that are still alive will feel the full force of the law.

I will give up my inheritance so that Qeybdiid and co suffer a JFK.
 

Gambar

VIP
Tell me more, I'm interested. :cosbyhmm:





Ps Amisom is there because of the UN and rightly so since the arms embargo on Somalia hasn't been lifted. What would the UN gain from Bantus taking over Somalia? parading around in a few cities of south Somalia is hardly anything to brag about.

Somalis haven't lived around for thousands of years just to be ethnically cleansed by bantus, calm your breasts. If the Bantus want to take over Somalia they are going to have a fight on their hands.
So this guy is a Bantu? Sheekoy ku nacay.
 

Reign

Pro Women's Rights|Centrist
VIP
How can we build in north since south is attacking and sending alshabab or ISIS or GL state to you all time? And this international community that locked us with south.
Dont use the south as an excuse. GL is fighting with neighbouring PL for land and PL is the one dealing with Al Shabab which effects Somalia as whole and the south didn't send them. How does the south send Al Shabab when the borders between Puntland and central Somalia are monitored let alone south Somalia? Don't claim MJ lands that they worked so hard to build. What have dhulos actually done and don't claim Somalilands work either. Stop using Al Shabab and the south as an excuse Dhulos don't border the south, they border SL and PL, you are hidden from any south drama yet you have done nothing with your lands except dabodhilif for SL for a few minutes and then PL for few minutes and then go back to square one. :camby:
 
Reer Xamar built Mogadishu? This is a blatant lie. Xitaa wax iskuma falayo.

I know they probably taught you some very nice stories and fantasies about "abo siad" in dadaab, but actual history backs me up.

mogadishu.jpg


Most of those buildings are classic reer xamar architecture. Again, you people don't build anything. Otherwise, this still wouldn't be state-of-the-art real estate in most of your regions:

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This here is conspiracy theories at its best. This man here denies genocide and is an insult to Somalis everywhere.

I lost a lot of family because of Aidiid and wollahi I will make sure that his followers that are still alive will feel the full force of the law.

I will give up my inheritance so that Qeybdiid and co suffer a JFK.



Since 90s and they were bringing al Qaeda to Somalia and helping al Qaeda in bombing USA 's embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and even when Ethiopia admitted about being forced to invade Somalia in their national newspaper and USA admitted the same, they are still acting and crying innocents instead bunch of terrorists sympathizers until today.
Their crimes against Somali nation is unforgiving. Till this minute they are supporting al shabab.
 
Dont use the south as an excuse. GL is fighting with neighbouring PL for land and PL is the one dealing with Al Shabab which effects Somalia as whole and the south didn't send them. How does the south send Al Shabab when the borders between Puntland and central Somalia are monitored let alone south Somalia? Don't claim MJ lands that they worked so hard to build. What have dhulos actually done and don't claim Somalilands work either. Stop using Al Shabab and the south as an excuse Dhulos don't border the south, they border SL and PL, you are hidden from any south drama yet you have done nothing with your lands except dabodhilif for SL for a few minutes and then PL for few minutes and then go back to square one. :camby:


Listen MJ and dhulo are harti (brothers) and you were fighting alshabab for 10 years while in PL finished them in 72 hours. Find other excuses and stop being terrorists and sympathizers in 2017. Act civil and live civil without attacking anyone.
 

Reign

Pro Women's Rights|Centrist
VIP
Listen MJ and dhulo are harti (brothers) and you are not defending any alshabab for 10 years while in PL finished them in 72 hours. Find other excuses and stop being terrorists and sympathizers in 2017. Act civil and live civil without attacking anyone.
Attacking? So a few words over the net is attacking you? Puntland had like a handful of Al Shabab unlike the south who has them in their thousands. A lot of countries also send weapons and fundings to Al Shabab, including Saudi Arabia, Eritrea etc. so how can a country with an arms embargo defeat such a group? You don't even make any sense. The only reason Al Shabab isn't in the north is because they haven't won the war in the south yet. Why expand territory when you're still in fighting over the one you have? Do you even know the rules of war? :ohlord:

You should be happy the south is fighting al kebab, as long as the south is still fighting them, they won't expand.
 

Gambar

VIP
He's Somali bantu, who believes bantu domination of Somalia is happening as we speak and that the international community is in on it. :faysalwtf:

Bantus believe in a reverse manifest destiny, somehow their insignificant population will take over Somalia. Sheeko!

I know they probably taught you some very nice stories and fantasies about "abo siad" in dadaab, but actual history backs me up.

mogadishu.jpg


Most of those buildings are classic reer xamar architecture. Again, you people don't build anything. Otherwise, this still wouldn't be state-of-the-art real estate in most of your regions:

somali-house1.jpg
Your kids were probably born in Dadaab warkaas ha ii keenin.

That's not Reer Xamar architecture walal. Don't try to use Somali or broken mixed Af Maay you recently learned to speak on us, waxad istamacashaa luuqadada ruuma.

You have to be the most confused person on here if Somalis are so dumb and incapable of building anything what does that say about you as a Bantu? Wa la idin yasaa. So you're lower than an illiterate xoolo dhaqato "faradheer." No wonder you come here to release your frustrations.
 

waraabe

Your superior
Listen MJ and dhulo are harti (brothers) and you were fighting alshabab for 10 years while in PL finished them in 72 hours. Find other excuses and stop being terrorists and sympathizers in 2017. Act civil and live civil without attacking anyone.
What has your clan achieved
 
Attacking? So a few words over the net is attacking you? Puntland had like a handful of Al Shabab unlike the south who has them in their thousands. A lot of countries also send weapons and fundings to Al Shabab, including Saudi Arabia, Eritrea etc. so how can a country with an arms embargo defeat such a group? You don't even make any sense.


Good lord !!!you sold the arms in Mogadishu black market, the government sold the UN arms in Mogadishu markets to the terrorists. You lost the world respect.

http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/new...o-terrorists-/2558-2227018-w4vmltz/index.html
 

Gambar

VIP
She is using Somaliland hard work to agtack the south while khaatumo is under developed.
Naga jooji and post about Somalilands latest developments. If dhulbahante said they weren't part of Somaliland I'm sure you'd be up in arms you're just an instigator.
 
Your people are selling the UN weapons in Mogadishu market!!!!terrorists sympathizers
WORLD NEWS | Tue Oct 11, 2016 | 1:01pm EDT
Exclusive: U.N.-approved weapons imports resold in Somalia, diplomats say

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By Katharine Houreld | NAIROBI

Many guns imported by the Somali government with U.N. approval are being resold by arms dealers on the black market in the nation's capital Mogadishu, two Western diplomats said.

Such sales violate a three-year-old deal which exempted government weapons imports from a U.N. arms embargo. The U.N. Security Council partially lifted it in 2013 to equip government forces fighting al Qaeda-linked al Shabaab militants.

The United Nations imposed a blanket arms embargo on Somalia shortly after the nation plunged into civil war 25 years ago.


The two diplomats, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter, said through photographic evidence it was calculated between 35 to 40 percent of automatic rifles and other small arms on sale on the Mogadishu black market were imported by the government under the exemption.


U.N. reports identified some cases of government weapons and ammunition being sold on the market. But these findings, revealed by diplomats and analysts to Reuters, are the most comprehensive examination of the problem and show its scale.

A Somali government official acknowledged there was some leakage of weapons, although he said this involved small amounts in one-off cases rather than a systematic problem.

"I am not denying that some cases (of diversion) happen from our side but it is not permanent and systematic," Awes Hagi Yusuf, policy unit chief at Somalia's presidency, told Reuters.

U.N. officials declined to comment for this article.

Poorly-paid soldiers are known to have sold their weapons to buy food to feed their families.



WEAPONS CACHES

The diplomats did not give precise numbers for diverted weapons on sale in Mogadishu, but they said the arms helped to supply dealers who now sell weapons in the capital from the backs of vehicles or caches hidden in private villas.

Two Nairobi-based security analysts told Reuters between 15,000 to 20,500 light arms had been imported since 2013. The United Nations approves shipments on a case-by-case basis.

The analysts, who also declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter, estimated only 6,000 weapons had been stamped with identifying markings under a joint U.N.-Somali government program that began in 2014.

Neither paper records nor the markings showed which weapon was issued to which individual, the analysts said.

The diplomats said the new findings will worry U.N. Security Council members, who hold an annual review of the embargo exemption in November.

The 2013 amendment to the embargo required the Somali government to notify the United Nations of each arms shipment, forbade weapons from being resold, and required the government to report every six months on efforts to make sure the exempted arms are kept secure and create a system to keep track of them.

The findings show the Western-backed government, which has been criticized by donors for corruption in the past, is struggling to ensure its imported arms do not go astray.

The Somali government says it needs more guns to keep its army equipped. Western allies are keen to strengthen Somalia's armed forces fighting al Shabaab but fear that money and equipment will be siphoned off.

Matt Bryden, head of Nairobi-based think-tank Sahan, said that if the government could not secure its arms, then "imports of arms and ammunition for the government are likely to continue feeding the open market and the government's enemies".



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WEAPONS MARKING

Despite imported weapons finding their way onto the local arms markets, diplomats said the weapons marking program represented progress as it was now possible to track which branches of the Somali armed forces -- the police, intelligence services or military -- were selling on weapons illegally, even if individuals could not be identified.

"We have challenges but we are making tremendous progress, especially the marking and the weapon management," said the presidency's Yusuf, saying most weapons on sale by dealers were illegal imports, arms once used by private security firms and guns used in the war that have been circulating for years.

However, one of the diplomats said the government could improve its records by registering the serial numbers on weapons to individuals or specific units, and this could be linked to a U.N. database used to pay Somali soldiers.

That would still not solve the problem of poorly-paid troops selling their arms to feed families, he added. A new rifle sells for around $1,500 and old ones for about $500, said Mogadishu arms dealer Ismail Nur, although he declined to say whether any arms he handled came from government soldiers.

In addition to individual sales, a researcher who has regularly visited Mogadishu's arms markets said there were signs of bulk diversion of weapons.

In one case, the researcher said, a dealer offered several government rifles with similar numbers in the same plastic packaging, implying the guns were sold as a batch before they were sent to the government armory to be marked.

"Arms dealers use secret villas, and homes and underground sites for selling weapons since open markets for weapons disappeared some time ago," the researcher said.



(Additional reporting by Abdi Sheikh in Mogadishu; Editing by Edmund Blair and Peter Millership)
 
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