Somali leftist, pro Palestine anti west, mocks the genocide against Uyghurs

[Omar del Sur]

Your argument relies heavily on framing the debate as Imperialist versus Anti-Imperialist, where we are compelled to support the "Anti-Imperialist" side.

Being anti-colonial or "third-worldist" does not automatically align one with the interests of oppressed peoples.

see this is why I'm very much sympathetic to the Twitter user. there seems be a rejection here of anti-colonialism as such. a rejection of anti-imperialism as such.

now, anti-imperialism can go in a wrong direction. I'm sure the mass murderer Mengistu said some anti-imperialist things and I think the CIA really was against him. I'm sure mass murderer Pol Pot said some anti-imperialist things.

but the idea of letting go of anti-imperialism as such... that to me is absolutely out of the question. that is what zionism and imperialism want. "yeah but what about Iran" or this or that in some non-Western aligned country... I do not believe in dropping anti-imperialism for a second.

following Quran and Sunnah is obligatory on all of us. I don't think it's obligatory to use the word "anti-imperialist". but from my standpoint, I can never drop that from my way of thinking. I takfir Assad and the Iran gov, I believe that that there is mass Communist persecution of Uyghurs, I am very aware that Russia helped genocide Syrian Sunnis. I am very anti-Shia. but no way could I focus both eyes on what Russia and them are doing and not keep one eye on what the West is doing. what the West does- even if I leave the West- has an impact on me in a way that what Putin and Xi Jinping does doesn't. I could not take my eye from what is front of me directly. However, like I said, I am not "Axis of Resistance" person. I am not Jackson Hinkle or the twitter user from OP. I was posting about "judeo-communism" years before techsamatar was. none of that is in me. also I want to mention that "anti-imperialism" is in no way an exclusive copyright of leftism. all forms of leftism inherently conflict with Islam. the twitter user in OP is flawed in terms of their thinking from an Islamic viewpoint. I reject any form of leftism. but not anti-imperialism.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I say this because that account is obsessed with anti-imperialism and anti-capitalism, hence for her anything uttered by the imperialist West must be a lie

I'm not criticizing you. I don't believe in socialism or anything like that. as far as anti-imperialism, though.... I say being obsessed with anti-imperialism is a good thing. like I talked about before- if Muslims were a bit more obsessed with anti-imperialism, I believe Muslim armies would be liberating Gaza at this very moment. I don't know if they will use the word "anti-imperialism" but I think the Muslim army that liberates Palestine will be obsessed with anti-imperialism whether they use that word or not. it was a struggle which was both Islamic and anti-imperialist that defeated the US invaders in Afghanistan. I believe obsessing over anti-imperialism is a good thing. It was an anti-imperialist struggle that drove the French out of Algeria. to drop anti-imperialism I think would necessarily result basically in becoming enslaved by kaffirs. I think it's a lack of anti-imperialism why Muslim militaries aren't fighting alongside the resistance in Gaza.

 

[JamalFarah]

Unfortunately, people aren’t able to understand the concept of nuance and that two things can be right at the same time. Is China usually tarred by the Imperialist West due to political reasons? Yes, but is China also committing gross human rights violations against our fellow Muslims? Yes. Their limitations is that everything must be one or the other and that is what a strict blind adherence to an ideology leaves you.

People view politics through the lens of team sports. She identifies herself with the left and therefore feels compelled to defend what that community considers "their team." It's fascinating how swiftly individuals can transition from rational thinking and emphatic human beingst o defending atrocities.

In this regard, she is just a tribalist but under a different name, instead of tribalism, she has embraced leftism and instead of warlords she has chosen the CCP and other communist entities to base her identity around.

Good thing is, she will outgrow this eventiually. She seems to be very young, late teens/early twenties and hopefully this will all just be a phase. I don't agree with the whole takfiring @Omar del Sur said was happening to her. Hatefilled response rarely make people reflect on themselves, but only seem to harden their positions.

 

[Angelina]

People view politics through the lens of team sports. She identifies herself with the left and therefore feels compelled to defend what that community considers "their team." It's fascinating how swiftly individuals can transition from rational thinking and emphatic human beingst o defending atrocities.

In this regard, she is just a tribalist but under a different name, instead of tribalism, she has embraced leftism and instead of warlords she has chosen the CCP and other communist entities to base her identity around.

Good thing is, she will outgrow this eventiually. She seems to be very young, late teens/early twenties and hopefully this will all just be a phase. I don't agree with the whole takfiring @Omar del Sur said was happening to her. Hatefilled response rarely make people reflect on themselves, but only seem to harden their positions.

Yep, not to make excuses for her, but I don’t think her denial is coming from a place of knowingly being okay with Muslim suffering, it’s a unfortunate symptom of extreme tribalism which you’ve pointed out that limits her world view to the point of blatant irrationality. It’s illogical to assume that the West’s imperialist policies and demonizations of POC nations means POC governments are in capable of evil. She even denies absurdities of the N.Korean government as well. We all know at this point that Western governments do lie and smear other nations that they feel aren’t towing the like so to speak, but at times they can be honest about certain atrocities under certain circumstance if it benefits them. I’m under no delusions about the Western agenda. The reason why they’ll report on let’s say Uyghurs is because it fits into their narrative of the ‘evil Chinese’ and it’s a perfect way to exploit growing anti China sentiments, but that doesn’t mean what they’re saying is a lie because at this point in time, China is behaving in this way unfortunately.

 

[Aurelian]

Digital sisterhood, a podcast created by somali muslim women beefing with a somali communist. This is Somali on Somali violence

She is a leftist acting as useful idiot for china.

 

[Aurelian]

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You were considered as Chinese intel asset in sspot.

 

[The alchemist]

She is a Twitter leftist commie - probably a tanky, given that typical socialists don't use the hammer and sickle in their bio. You can't view their statement and opinions beyond mere aesthetics and identity attachments rather than serious reflections.

I went and checked the laws and regulations the CCP have of the Xinjiang region, and observing the evidence, it is clear that they, as it has been demonstrated before through various resourceful means, are actively trying to conform the Muslim practice of Islam in that region toward the Socialist ideals, enforcing this process within the "Sinification" of religious matters, basically, under the control and management of the gaal Chinese, promoting the molding of Muslims and their ways toward the domination of the "Chineseization," reducing religiosity, reducing a sense of community towards an irreligious Han-centric way of life, where you are not to hold a preference for your Muslims brethren and in-group community over some kafir Han Chinese who does not know your ways whatsoever.

I have found Chinese regulations, laws, and policies on Xinjang, where Islam is stringently controlled and formed under the conditions of socialist values and Sinifications, under this trope of "Chinese characteristics."

Here is the source, and anyone can read the material through translation:

坚持我国宗教中国化方向 促进宗教和睦社会和谐——解读《新疆维吾尔自治区宗教事务条例》_政策解读_新疆维吾尔自治区人民政府网

www.xinjiang.gov.cn

The source is a China government website. It is as legit as it gets.

Thus it is not right to call Ughuyr separatists, "terrorists" (the Chinese often associate separatists with Islamic terrorists to defame them), for merely wanting to practice their deen in the right way, instead of having an anti-Islamic government that wants you to imbue flawed and kafir socialism within the teachings of Islam while selectively sanctioning certain parts of the deen and denying other parts, and impair the Muslim minds through indoctrination where the practice of the deen, as understood by later generations, turns into an unlawful innovation toward this obsessive "Chinese characteristic" - an active policy stated in the texts of the CCP in their vision of the region, to homogenize all its citizens. But some are more than others since some are the general, while others are different and need to gravitate toward the majority. This goes perfectly with the truth of Islam; they will never accept you unless you become like them. Muslims merely existing in that region is a problem. The government then has to change its ways because it is a threat to these socialist, Chinese characteristics grand plan.

This is demographic collective engineering, where every part of the life of the Muslim is systematically controlled, and the people such as the Uguyurs face the worst brunt of this.

Here are some quotes:

"Actively guiding religions to adapt to socialist society is our Party's basic policy on religious work, which is both a requirement of socialism for religions and a requirement of religions themselves. General Secretary Xi Jinping has pointed out that an important task in actively guiding religions to adapt to socialist society is to support the direction of the Chineseization of religions in China, and to use socialist core values to lead and educate religious figures and believers. Therefore, Article 5 of the regulations makes it clear that the autonomous region protects normal religious activities in accordance with the law, actively guides religions to be compatible with socialist society, and safeguards the lawful rights and interests of religious groups, religious colleges and universities, places of religious activity, religious clergy, and believing citizens. Religious groups, religious colleges and universities, places of religious activity, religious clergy and believing citizens shall abide by the Constitution, laws, rules and regulations, practice socialist core values, adhere to the direction of the Chineseization of our country's religions, and safeguard national unity, national unity, religious harmony and social stability. No organization or individual may use religion to carry out activities that split the State, spread religious extremist ideology, incite ethnic hatred, commit acts of violence and terrorism, undermine national unity, disrupt social order, or harm the physical or mental health of citizens; they may not use religion to impede the implementation of the State's administrative, judicial, educational, cultural, marital, family planning, inheritance, and other systems; and they may not use religion to carry out activities that jeopardize the security and interests of the State, the public interests of society, or the legitimate rights and interests of citizens. public interests and the lawful rights and interests of citizens."

It even mentions how minors are not allowed to participate in religious activities:

"The fourth is to stipulate that no organization or individual may organize, induce, or force minors to participate in religious activities..."

Want to control what Muslims wear - probably puts the niqaab under the fanaticism category:

"...and they must not use appearance, clothing, signs, logos, etc. to exaggerate religious fanaticism."

What I wrote here is only what they say themselves in Chinese ink, none of it is made up:

General Secretary Xi Jinping has pointed out that the essence of the Party's religious work is mass work, that both the religious and non-religious masses are the mass base of the Party's rule, and that good religious work should adhere to and develop the theory of religion with Chinese characteristics, adhere to the Party's basic policy on religious work, and adhere to the direction of Chineseization of China's religions.

@Reformed J

I remember you showed how mosques were changed to look like Chinese temples. Well here is the rule that shows the precedent for such actions, encoded in their written policies:

Places of religious activity are legally registered monasteries, churches and other fixed premises for religious activities. Articles 20 to 25 of the Regulations stipulate the conditions that should be met and the approval procedures that need to be fulfilled in order to prepare for the establishment of places of religious activity and the alteration or construction of new buildings in places of religious activity, while article 26 clearly stipulates that newly constructed or altered, expanded or reconstructed places of religious activity should reflect Chinese characteristics and style in terms of architecture, sculpture, painting, decoration and so on.

I can go on and on, but you get the basic understanding that discrimination towards Muslims is not some imagined thing, the CCP themselves have these laws, regulations, and policies written down in their legal framework for you to inspect it.

 

[Aurelian]

if you never lived in a city with uyghurs be quiet. atleast youre not a tankie anymore.

Don't take his comments deceive you to think he is ignorant idiot. This type of comments are made by ppl trying to legitimatize any cause "I never saw X, so X doesn't exist, even though there are multiple reports from different sources "

Prove from Quran and Sunnah that I have to believe bearded people who appear on my laptop screen. I have never met a Uyghur in real life. I have no idea what they say. How do I know some Uyghur who appears on BBC is really a representative of Uyghurs as a whole?

 

[Omar del Sur]

You were considered as Chinese intel asset in sspot.

Don't take his comments deceive you to think he is ignorant idiot. This type of comments are made by ppl trying to legitimatize any cause "I never saw X, so X doesn't exist, even though there are multiple reports from different sources "

it's no coincidence that this is coming from someone who did an awful lot of standing-with-Ukraine.

 

[Omar del Sur]

btw Pakistan was way better off with the more Russia-China leaning Imran Khan than the colonial Western stooge government he's been replaced with.

 

[lahaine]

Uyghurs are persecuted because they're Turkic not because they're Muslims if so the hui Muslim would be persecuted too

 

[Aurelian]

it's no coincidence that this is coming from someone who did an awful lot of standing-with-Ukraine.

f*ck ukraine, they have the whole west standing beside them (good for them) unlike the poor Uyghurs.

 

[Omar del Sur]

f*ck ukraine, they have the whole west standing beside them (good for them) unlike the poor Uyghurs.

you were hardline pro the Ukraine side. and you stand with Taiwan as well, do you not? you see the US as the lesser evil compared to Russia-China, do you not? or did that change? just be honest. you're more West-leaning, I'm more anti-West-leaning. no need to make a pretense of moral superiority about it.

 

[Aurelian]

you were hardline pro the Ukraine side. and you stand with Taiwan as well, do you not? you see the US as the lesser evil compared to Russia-China, do you not? or did that change? just be honest. you're more West-leaning, I'm more anti-leaning. no need to make a pretense of moral superiority about it.

are you derailing the thread?

 

[Omar del Sur]

are you derailing the thread?

just be straightforward about where you stand. no need to wiggle around things.

 

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

She’s a cutie patootie, worthy of becoming a third wife. I’ll allow it.

 

[Homerlilian]

just be straightforward about where you stand. no need to wiggle around things.

Lol @Omar del Sur and @Aurelian beefing has to be the most funniest shit ever .

 

[zeilaprime]

She is a communist who loves Siad Barre. Ironic since Siad knew nothing about communism except the propoganda posters.

The Uyghur "genocide" is a cultural genocide. The chinese haven't actually killed and starved Uyghurs like what the Israelis are doing to the palestinians. They've forcibly intergrated them into Chinese culture through re-education camps which the've since closed.

China is a communist police state. Advocating for an islamic republic within a communist police state is a suicidal project for you and your people.

 

[The alchemist]

Uyghurs are persecuted because they're Turkic not because they're Muslims if so the hui Muslim would be persecuted too

There are plenty of non-Han Chinese who face no persecution because they are as irreligious and homogenized in ideals as the rest - ethnic difference is not enough. Huis are practically Han that are Muslims - that is why they don't face the same brunt, plus they do face the same Islamic persecution. This is a fact. It's just that the Hui are way more Sinified. I provided the sources, proving they are all comprehensively, meticulously reducing the hold of Islam in the region because that is the single driving force in the coherency of the people - the in-group/out-group is apparent on those grounds. If those Turkic peoples were not Muslims, then assimilation toward these so-called Chinese characteristics with socialist ideals would be rapid.

Contrary to religion, China is not strict in restricting the cultural things of different groups. So the question becomes, why are they extra stringent on the religion? Why do they say children cannot participate in religiously organized activities to learn their deen, why police religious-specific attire - why do they have to vet what is being said and who says things within the Muslim community and send every sheikh to a 3-month CCP training program where they will have to comply with socialist abiding principles first? The only reason I mentioned the deen is because it is the primary driver and where you can see the evidence the most. The re-education camps are to strip kids of their deen, not their culture. Culture is very benign to the CCP, not a threat. Sure they want to reduce the differences but that happens over time either way once they have control over people's expression of Islam.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Communism, socialism, and other leftist ideologies fundamentally clash with Islam at their core. When one disregards the testimonies and concrete evidence provided by Muslims, it reveals that faith takes a backseat in her worldview compared to the man-made collective ideology.

Communism seeks to abolish religion, Muslims that sympathise with these communists should be warned. They’ll put you in the concentration camp as soon as they seize power.