somali christian woman.

[TooMacaan]

are you mad Somali atheists are preferred over you?

No jealousy here, I just don't like irrational arguments. But it's fine because this conversation is no longer necessary...
Not only are you a gaal, 'like moi', but I've discovered that you are a munafiqeen too
I should've trusted my initial instincts. No wonder you couldn't back up your arguments and had to resort to emotional analogies.

closet gaals will fake fast and still show up for the saambuus

its so easy to fake fast, just pretend to be going to the store to pick up so milk for aftor and grab a burger and a shack from the fast food places, eat it in your car and go back home. theres millions of ways to do it buy ill do it seriously this Ramadan because I'm trying to lose some weight

 

[SecretAgent]

Atheists are better then gaalos for two reasons, atheists don't worship idols and are not pagans like the gaalos. It's forbidden for jews to enter churches due to idol worshipping the virgin mary.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

we still see y'all as more of traitors than atheists

Are you a Muslim, Atheist or something else ?

 

[DrippinglyWet]

@TooMacaan Christianity has changed a lot Islam was revealed in 6th century, that was before all the schism in Christianity started appearing, look at the wacky Protestant sects or Catholics in S America who worship a death saint.
While your defiantly right that Christians/Jews are our Abrahamic brothers, some christians seems to have really lost a grasp on their religion.

 

[Paladin]

Toomacaan is definetly correct in this debate. By far Christians are more freindly with Muslims . They r people of the book.

If u doubt it, remember u can marry a Christian but never a pagan or atheist.

 

[TooMacaan]

@TooMacaan Christianity has changed a lot Islam was revealed in 6th century, that was before all the schism in Christianity started appearing, look at the wacky Protestant sects or Catholics in S America who worship a death saint.
While your defiantly right that Christians/Jews are our Abrahamic brothers, some christians seems to have really lost a grasp on their religion.

I see where you're coming from and yea, different denominations [which may vary from the original scriptures] have taken prominence since the schism.This thread only devolved into an argument of sorts after that poster randomly claimed that Atheists are better than Christians though.

 

[SuldaanGuled]

Yes, that's right, I must have not seen your question.

My only point is that Jews/Christians are people of the book and the Qur'an relates to them in a way that it doesn't with other 'gaal'. If you re-read my post, you'll see that I don't judge Somali Athiests and I don't think that I'm somehow inherently "better" than them (the other girl was the one who made that argument, not me). I have two questions for you though...

1. Why is apostasy punishable by death whereas Jews/Christians are made to pay Jizyah if "Islam obligates us to deal justly with everyone be they Muslims or not"??

2. As a Somali Muslim, do you agree with that other poster that Atheists are "better than" and "preferred" over Christians?

I understand and agree with your conclusion (bolded part)

Justice in islam is acting in accordance to the laws of Allah but your definition of what justice entails is different to mine. Now the issues arises when we start to judge actions based on the different concepts of justice.

1. It's punishable because that is the islamic law, death penalty also applies to murder, rape, homosexuality, adultery etc. Muslims pay zakat and contribute to the well being of the state why shouldn't they as well. In return for paying jizyah they're guaranteed protection etc

2. The christians even though engage in some form of polytheism they nonetheless affirm the existence of God and His right as the creator,while the atheist utilise their intellect to reject God all together so no they're not equal. In term of nearness the christian is closer than the atheist. How can the atheist be better when they don't even recognize their lord who created them. So no i don't agree with her.


Now you answer my questions

1. Assuming that you're somali were you always a Christian (raised as one),? if not are you the only christian in your family?

2. If you were raised as a muslim but converted to christian could you briefly state what convinced you to convert?

Thanks

 

[TooMacaan]

I understand and agree with your conclusion (bolded part)

Justice in islam is acting in accordance to the laws of Allah but your definition of what justice entails is different to mine. Now the issues arises when we start to judge actions based on the different concepts of justice.

1. It's punishable because that is the islamic law, death penalty also applies to murder, rape, homosexuality, adultery etc. Muslims pay zakat and contribute to the well being of the state why shouldn't they as well. In return for paying jizyah they're guaranteed protection etc

2. The christians even though engage in some form of polytheism they nonetheless affirm the existence of God and His right as the creator,while the atheist utilise their intellect to reject God all together so no they're not equal. In term of nearness the christian is closer than the atheist. How can the atheist be better when they don't even recognize their lord who created them. So no i don't agree with her.


Now you answer my questions

1. Assuming that you're somali were you always a Christian (raised as one),? if not are you the only christian in your family?

2. If you were raised as a muslim but converted to christian could you briefly state what convinced you to convert?

Thanks

Yes, my siblings and I were raised as Christians by our mother. No, I'm not a convert, I was baptized as a baby so I guess you could say I was "born" into it.
(My dad is the only one in our immediate family who isn't a Christian, and I would describe him as a skeptic or Athiest even.)

 

[dhegdheer]

Not if they are true Muslims. These are just a couple verses, according to your Qur'an, regarding "the people of the book":

1. "And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender." S. 29:46

2. "Whether they are the ones who believe (in the Arabian Prophet), or whether they are Jews, Christians or Sabians – all who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and do righteous deeds – their reward is surely secure with their Lord; they need have no fear, nor shall they grieve." S. 2:62

What it says about Athiests/non-believers (and their Kibr):

“Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators?
Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief.” S. 52:35

Although some Muslims may still consider Christians to be infidels for accepting Jesus as God, their Qur'an clearly states positive things about them as well. When it comes to Atheists/pagans though, there is no defense.

P.s. As to your comment about Atheists being "better", what a ridiculous value judgement. I don't really care if Somali Muslims prefer me over a Somali Atheist or not tbh (my religious status has nothing to do with currying favor from others [and I have no personal problem with Somali Atheists either]...but for some reason it seems like you want to turn it into a competition???).

Muslamics are hypocrites who pick and chose, if not outright ignore, what's in their holy book. But dnt worry, they'll gladly throw you and I to the wolves if given the chance

I'm thinking it depends on the person as well. Some see converting to christianity as rejecting your heritage, the same argument could be used for atheists i guess

 

[SuldaanGuled]

Yes, my siblings and I were raised as Christians by our mother. No, I'm not a convert, I was baptized as a baby so I guess you could say I was "born" into it.
(My dad is the only one in our immediate family who isn't a Christian, and I would describe him as a skeptic or Athiest even.)

The only somali christians i've ever met was a family of 4 and you would never be able to tell them a part from a muslim family. They were from somalia but lived among somalis so that explains why they were covered etc Even though they migrated to a non muslim country they still appeared outwardly as muslims.

Since you're from ethiopia i'm guessing you had a different upbringing than most somali christians inside somalia. Did you live around somalis or ? can you speak af somali

 

[ሕጊ።።]

look at it like this: its a marriage, okay? situation 1- say your wife leaves you, you're sad she left. situation two- your wife cheats on you then leaves you and marries the man she cheated on you with. Somali atheists are the ones who left, Somali christens are the ones who cheated than married the person they cheated on you with. See where I'm coming from? Somali atheists will always be more accepted than Somali Christians

Both situations are because she doesn't like you lol

 

[I've spoken]

Are you a Muslim, Atheist or something else ?

I'm not an atheists walal, don't listen to the Ethiopian agent

 

[fardowsa]

I'm not an atheists walal, don't listen to the Ethiopian agent

What are you?

 

[I've spoken]

No jealousy here, I just don't like irrational arguments. But it's fine because this conversation is no longer necessary...
Not only are you a gaal, 'like moi', but I've discovered that you are a munafiqeen too
I should've trusted my initial instincts. No wonder you couldn't back up your arguments and had to resort to emotional analogies.

How many times must I repeat myself? I AM NOT AN ATHEIST! get that through your head ethiopian girl

 

[Prince Abubu]

Yes, my siblings and I were raised as Christians by our mother. No, I'm not a convert, I was baptized as a baby so I guess you could say I was "born" into it.
(My dad is the only one in our immediate family who isn't a Christian, and I would describe him as a skeptic or Athiest even.)

That means you have a Christian name?

Maria Macaan? Theodora Macaan? Hilary Macaan?

Tolaayeey, HY wey ba'day.

 

[fardowsa]

@Guysensei

of course, just as long as he lets our future children choose what they wish to follow faith wise and doesn't force Islam on them.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...-a-somali-muslim-guy.24071/page-9#post-597107


Nobody tests me

 

[I've spoken]

@Guysensei

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...-a-somali-muslim-guy.24071/page-9#post-597107


Nobody tests me

 

[I've spoken]

@fardowsa
stop lying about me nayaa

 

[fardowsa]

Somali atheists are better than Somali Christians. Somali Muslims will always prefer Somali atheists over Somali Christians

What an interesting imagination you have, it's simply yaabka yaabkis

At least the christian recognizes and affirms the right of God as being the Creator what convinces you to believe that you're better or that we'll prefer you ??

I'm not an atheist, but I prefer them to christian Somalis

@fardowsa
stop lying about me nayaaView attachment 19158

Nice try

 

[SuldaanGuled]

@I've spoken

so you were lying to me ? i just couldn't figure out why i was convinced you were one but now i know.

You were also encouraging itshanna to go out with that cadaan guy. Why would you support her ?

@fardowsa mahadsanid

Maxaa beenta ku wacan @I've spoken ??????