NordicSomali
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Don’t you wonder why we never see the opposite of older women marrying young boys?
Should child marriage be banned in Somalia?
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He is obsessed with DH. The man that spends most of his times on YouTube talking down to actual scholars and sheikhs who are ten times more educated than him.
What you struggle to understand is that Omar RA wasn’t the only one in Islamic history. Disallowing the Mubah isn’t only limited to Omar RA when you look at Islamic history.
Therefore, if Islamic scholars with the help of an Islamic government want to limit the age of marriage ect, why would it be an issue? Omar RA did not disallow marriage to Jews and Christians for religious reasons but for pragmatism. Therefore, what is wrong for scholars to do the same?
child marriage isn’t a Sunnah. You can’t grasp that. It is merely allowed. It is Mubah. Stop acting like it is wajib
Marriage ages in general is Mubah. It is permissible to marry at any age. I’m not conflating anything.
There are verses in the Quran about permissibility of marrying Jews and Christian, but Omar RA feared that Muslim women would be left without a spouse. It was a pragmatic call, not a religious one as the Quran and Sunnah can’t be changed. That is what you’re not understanding.
I’m not advocating for the laws to change to 17. It is legal for non Muslims to marry before but with the permission of the guardian even before that. I’m advocating for limiting child marriages. My issue is that you’re getting girls as young as 10,12, 13 dying on their wedding nights. It isn’t regulated and having some sort of limit in place will help that. What is more important? Women having spouses which was what Omar RA was worried about or young girls actually dying
It isn’t. It shows your lack of inconsistency. At least with major Salafi scholars who are against age limits are also against banning education.
Nope, with the sisters thread I accused you of using the twitter posts of men who insulted them. If we go back, I never said you insulted them point blank and my main issue was your lack of Husn Al Dhan for your Muslim sisters but your advocation for a brother who even after converting openly bragged about Zina, weaponised Sex as some sort of threat, lack of aqlaaq, compared himself to God and the list goes on. Yet when it came to these sisters, you were one of the posters leading the witch hunt.
You do know lack of education and poverty is interlinked and no education will create even more poverty? Also, what about the women with no mahrams to support them? Who will provide for them.
Also, I did create a poster in which I said that right now, poverty is their biggest issue. You’re right in that regard. Even the men with degrees are struggling to find a job, let alone the women.
No, I actually truly care for women. At the end of the day, I’m a woman.
Furthermore, your delusion is telling. I’m a hijabi. I wear abaya/hijab and jilbaab. Such laws impact me and my life more than it ever does yours, so who are you to talk about how something that I actually wear isn’t a concern of mine?
Education is completely permissible. Same to child marriages being permissible. Child marriage isn’t wajib. You’re trying to create an impression in which it is.
They’re consistent. They’re very point blank about women having the rights to education and finances due to making the halal haram argument, yet those you take from
DH aren’t consistent.
Seriously? DH isn’t a scholar, isn’t knowledgeable and spends most of his time peddling Western concepts of Redpill. If you’re going to accuse me of feminism, then it’s ironic that a man who is so consumed by right wing speaking points and the manosphere is someone you take seriously. He is also inconsistent. I found his talk MH absolutely hilarious. In one breath, he talks about how women wanting finances and education in case of a divorce is lacking taqwa, yet MH and him discuss hiding assets and putting in their friends name in case of you guessed it…… ‘divorce’. Where is there ‘taqwa’ or is being cautious only allowed for men?
Absolute inconsistencies all around.
You are just writing for the sake of it, repeating the same thing with different words for the sake of replying.
All was addressed in the last post for the readers. I will not continue typing for the sake of it. You can tag me again when you come up with an actual response to what I wrote.
How do you support the banning of female education when you as a female are educated??
You could’ve chosen not to go to university, it was not forced on you “by the West”.
No, you went.
Because you’re a hypocrite.
You’re talking from a Western lens. The child marriages are usually ones that are forced and mostly due to poverty. Also, the marriages are sometimes even younger than when even Western children think about the opp sex let alone lust. This is about curtailing issues like little ten yr olds dying on their wedding nights and 13-14 yr olds be pressured by family so that they have one less mouth to feed.
A 16 yr old marrying isn’t also the same as a 12-13 yr old as we already know the literature of girls getting pregnant at menarche is linked to ectopic pregnancy, later infertility, increased risk of later cancer, major pregnancy complications and the list goes on
Isn't one of the purposes of marriage for people to fulfil their desires in a Halal way? If marriage for under-18 girls/boys was banned don't you think our under-18 people are vulnerable to falling for Zina?
True, I’m not opposed to young people marrying each other free from force, escaping poverty and the like. I believe it should be regulated. Also, the idea of little 13 yr olds getting into Zina is not common. Majority if those girls are literally just starting their periods and like I mentioned early pregnancy can be very unhealthy and later cause infertility if the pregnancy goes wrong. It is counter productive as a society as life expectancy has changed.
That would obviously not be acceptable in an Islamic society. Also, the idea of Zina of little 13 yr olds simply isn’t common, nor is it seen as acceptable.
If we’re going to call everything that impacts women negatively and women finally talking about as ‘feminist’ then as an ummah men and women will continue to be at odds. Speak to the least feminist of women and she’ll tell you such an act is damaging. A lot of scholars whilst might not see it as marital rape literally call it Domestic violence/sexual abuse.
No way in hell is he a woman. I don’t believe it for one second. Calling yourself a woman when you’re in fact a man is a mental illness.
He’s not fooling anyone.
Authobillah. Absolute madness.
Garaad diinle
Wallahi reading through this thread i'm completely surprised by the responses. How can we jump from our little bubble to the domain of tashriic? Becoming the amer and nahi.
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَهًا وَاحِدًا لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
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Oh but wait we're restricting the mubah not forbidding it they're not the same thing. These are khutoato al-shaytan or the steps of iblis. Cherry picking aqwal al-sahaba رضي الله عنه who are by the way not infallible human beings or quranun yuha is like picking a qowl from every madhab to satisfy ones own nafs.
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَهًا وَاحِدًا لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3095 - Chapters on Tafsir - كتاب تفسير القرآن عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic
sunnah.com
Oh but wait we're restricting the mubah not forbidding it they're not the same thing. These are khutoato al-shaytan or the steps of iblis. Cherry picking aqwal al-sahaba رضي الله عنه who are by the way not infallible human beings or quranun yuha is like picking a qowl from every madhab to satisfy ones own nafs.
Wallahi reading through this thread i'm completely surprised by the responses. How can we jump from our little bubble to the domain of tashriic? Becoming the amer and nahi.
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَهًا وَاحِدًا لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3095 - Chapters on Tafsir - كتاب تفسير القرآن عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic
Oh but wait we're restricting the mubah not forbidding it they're not the same thing. These are khutoato al-shaytan or the steps of iblis. Cherry picking aqwal al-sahaba رضي الله عنه who are by the way not infallible human beings or quranun yuha is like picking a qowl from every madhab to satisfy ones own nafs.
That’s a weak Hadith.
Crucifixes were very rare during the time of the prophet SAW. The crucifix did exist then but became widespread in the medieval period.
Hence, why I think this Hadith was declared weak.
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Why is there an outrage from salafis when you want to have a minimum age requirement for marriage to protect vulnerable teenager women, using the sunnah as an excuse.
The extremists act like it's a pillar of Islam to marry under 16 year old while being 50+ . what are lots loosing out if you just went after a 19 year old?
Furthermore 99% of yall would reject a man who is 50+ asking for your underage daughters hand even a 25+ year old would be seen as weirdo .
Just because something is halal doesn't its necessary, because its not the only option ,as I said to avoid fitna & drama they can easily go after a 20 year old & everyone is happy.
Garaad diinle
Well i was in hurry and didn't check the grade of the hadith on this website good catch. I originally came across this hadith while looking for tafsir of the aya. The arabic website that i looked at said hassan.
الدرر السنية - الموسوعة الحديثية - شروح الأحاديث
www.dorar.net
In tafsir of al-tabari there is no mention of Crucifixes.
The tirmizi riwaya also has a similar version to the above hadith that is said to be sahih.
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That means she doesn't actually want to do it, shes being coerced and manipulated to do something she doesn't want to do
WHo said
Most Muslim countries have some sort of age requirement for marriage and marrying young girls
the only countries who still allow child marriage are under developed, poor countries, war torn, and also with non-Muslim culture integrated into it.
I’m not a scholar and I merely shared the views of Qadhi who has access to immense fiqh knowledge and history of Islam. Whether you agree with him or not. He is far superior to us when it comes to his knowledge of how Fiqh works and has access to works we could only dream to understand/read. Most people tend to have a grade 1 understanding of fiqh and that is the both of us. Also, he isn’t the only one that has that view. There is literally a whole aspect of fiqh called al-Siyasah al-Shar’iyyah, that goes back to the early days of Islam.Wallahi reading through this thread i'm completely surprised by the responses. How can we jump from our little bubble to the domain of tashriic? Becoming the amer and nahi.
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَهًا وَاحِدًا لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3095 - Chapters on Tafsir - كتاب تفسير القرآن عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic
Oh but wait we're restricting the mubah not forbidding it they're not the same thing. These are khutoato al-shaytan or the steps of iblis. Cherry picking aqwal al-sahaba رضي الله عنه who are by the way not infallible human beings or quranun yuha is like picking a qowl from every madhab to satisfy ones own nafs.
Like I said, I’m merely a layperson, If I’m wrong may Allah forgive me, but this isn’t a new concept at all. The reason why many of you lot are reacting this way, is because this isn’t well known. A lot of people including myself have 0 understanding of figh.
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكَ ۖ تَبْتَغِي مَرْضَاتَ أَزْوَاجِكَ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
this is clearly a well known view amongst Scholars:اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَهًا وَاحِدًا لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3095 - Chapters on Tafsir - كتاب تفسير القرآن عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic
Oh but wait we're restricting the mubah not forbidding it they're not the same thing. These are khutoato al-shaytan or the steps of iblis. Cherry picking aqwal al-sahaba رضي الله عنه who are by the way not infallible human beings or quranun yuha is like picking a qowl from every madhab to satisfy ones own nafs.
Governments are allowed to establish a law that sees to the welfare of its citizens. Citizens who fail to uphold this law, may not be held accountable in the court of Allah, but may be punished accordingly by the government. These concepts are well established under the branch of our Sacred Law known as al-Siyasah al-Shar’iyyah.
Marriage With a Minor. - IslamQA
Answered by Shaykh Abdurragmaan Khan Question: Assalam alaykum, An individual shared the following opinions with me (see below). I had been taught that the minimum conditions for intercourse were (i)
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You are 100% right and anyone who says a government cannot ban something permissible knows nothing about Islam.
In fact you can ban something mustahab if it leads to negative consequences.
This is what is normal and acceptable. Teen love growing old together. Not some old man robbing a young girl's life experiences.
TekNiKo
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No way hes a woman, its impossible he is even more hardcore than me
He’s not. I know hardcore women, but the way they view and argue things is completely different. There are still elements of understanding when it comes to the plight of women when it comes to certain practices and even the most hardcore of women would acknowledge this. I’ve had multiple debates with that man and not once did he mention that he was indeed a woman. Also, it is very unlikely that even a hardcore woman would be heavily into manosphere Muslim Dawah scene like DH. His talking point, interest ect are very much on par with a man who doesn’t have much insight to womanhood or even respect it to be frank. With regards to things that impact women, he is simply too detached and only a man who doesn’t understand or emphasize certain things about women can be like that, even if a woman did have similar views, the delivery would be incredibly different.No way hes a woman, its impossible he is even more hardcore than me
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