It’s not unusual for people to be proud of their history, but taking an objective view is hard, being objective is hard by itself
Thank you for congratulating me on my objective thoughts, it is a result of my intellect
It’s not unusual for people to be proud of their history, but taking an objective view is hard, being objective is hard by itself
Basra you've had this lowly opinion of Somalis and a high admiration of Brits since 2004. This is deeply engrained in you and won't change.
Somalis are not hierarchically structured and very organized which you seem to be attracted to more. Other ethnicities that were nomadic are similar to us in being tribal, warrior like, brave, proud and were rarely enslaved.. There are disadvantages to this as well but you know them well.
Looking at the things you value us Somalis like the kazaks,mongols and other nomadic ppl, we didn't value paintings, arts, writing, building structures, intricate designs, making things etc.. we were mostly oral societies. All the things you mention require ppl not to be nomadic and to be permanent residence in one specific area ie. farming societies.
You clearly don't know her from somnet:
- Believes Bantu or Arab are the only ethnolinguistic/national groups in Africa.
- Woefully ignorant about genetics. And can't seem to fathom how we're neither Southern Arabian (Gulf Arab) nor West-Central African admixed (Bantu). For goodness sake, she's scientifically illiterate, believing ancestry DNA to be a credible source.
- Her Europhillia puts her in a league outside of Somalinimo. A Somali never sees anyone as above them. They would rather do themselves in than be a sychopant.
"Believes Bantu or Arab are the only ethnolinguistic/national groups in Africa."
I DONT believe that! It is u WHO believes that! Like i said, for as long as i know u in trolling world, and i have known u alot of years, u have been obsessed with Bantus. I think u r a bastard of bantu or something. Dont get all emotional and panic-y i am only stating my opinions![]()
Sorry fobbie Anglophile the obbessed one that fetishizes them is you.I'm Somali a logical impossibility but you're from colonial brown nosing territory so I question both your sanity and progeny.
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Didn't you get part Fufu on your DNA reveal?No need to be jealous of a pure Horner.
I'm sure you'd rather get back to daydreaming about being Oscar Wilde's chamber maid.
Haha, there are parts of me you still haven't seen.my my Geko
I haven't seen u this passionate before? U always come off Jocular and fun. This is a passionate Geko i dont know. Well congratulation for being patriotic, and nationalist, but i still stand by my assertions and opinions.
U have answered your own question as to why i think our culture is savage compared to the world class cultures. Normand life and Lack of farming as a lot to do with it!
Haha, there are parts of me you still haven't seen. I wasn't trying to change your opinion, I know your stuck with this but I wanted to present a more fair stance.
As you said, this is what YOU value! This shows that your opinion is highly subjective and is a hierarchy in culture that you believe in.
Me having a high esteem of my people comes from my culture which doesn't accept that anyone is above us. This is an aspect which you are lacking in..
As observed by a brit, from his book Warriors: Life and Death Among the Somalis:
"A Somali always felt himself to be twice as good as any white man, or any other kind of man at all, and still does, even when he is wrong. Islam does wonders for the self respect of non-white people and Christianity is right to worry about the spread of Islam in Africa, and must honestly face the question of why it has happened "
"....You get into that way of thinking in the Somali waste. You think that way because the Somalis bitterly resent the white man, and struggle continually, and admirably, by lies and intrigue, to fight off his influence which spells the end of their peculiar world. You cannot beat them. They have no inferiority complexes, no wide-eyed worship of the white man's ways, and no fear of him, of his guns or of his official anger. They are a race to be admired, if hard to love."
These are the things I admire about our culture, that many cultures seem to not possess. I place this aspect of culture very highly, because believing people are above you can be detrimental, eg. as you can see with how Kenyans are treated by ajanib in their own homeland, or how whites are worshipped and treated like Kings in many Asian/African countries.
This is why I also admire the history of other nomadic culture like the Beja of Sudan, the Turkic nomads etc. The bravery, pride and fierceness of the Chechens must have come from their nomadic past, and I respect them for that.
I accept criticism of my culture but at the same time there are aspects of it I admire that you're doing a disservice to. I place a premium in my people not being mentally enslaved while you place it on writing. Writing is good I agree, but to say that this makes you more civilized, I disagree.Geko
I actually highly respect your response. You have argued competently, with backup excerpts from a publish book. Kudos to you young man. Your intelligence is high acknowledged. Just a little advice, think outside the box sometimes. Like one poster said up there, it takes a rare mind to usually think out of the norm. It is expected for someone to be loyal to their own culture. Our understanding expands if we allow room for imperfection in ourselves and our culture.
In my argument i have observed the irony that ISLAM played in making a once savage nation, affecting the so called world class civilized world later. I am well aware of the filth of the English aristocracy in 18th century, I have observed that while they had those amazing castles and innovative culture customs, they were pooping in small bowls. Thats disgusting. But then again when i read their letters, i am in love again.I guess in my growth, i may need to learn that ALL cultures are good in their own special way. I happen to admire the Brit culture especially for Literature and written recordings. Some times reading old letters of the 1600-19th century English letters gives me mad orgasm. I mean, even when the colonial brits were discussing Somalis in the 18th century writings, that gave me some intense JOY!!!
In short i embrace our Somali Culture Savagery!
I accept criticism of my culture but at the same time there are aspects of it I admire that you're doing a disservice to. I place a premium in my people not being mentally enslaved while you place it on writing. Writing is good I agree, but to say that this makes you more civilized, I disagree.
Your idea of what's savage and what is high class is a hierarchy that I simply do not accept.
I have many constructive criticism threads, that I always make about Somalis on here so I'm not hiding or dismissing the bad aspects of my people. But to call us savages?!, what purpose would that serve but to put your ppl in a lowly position. It's a defeatist destructive mentality that serves no purpose imo. You've accepted a definition of a culture being "savage" that I see as superficial and flawed.
The proudest thing in our culture is the love we have for our elders and even for one another.
Somalis will come together and help one another when in need.
For example.
Last year there was an elderly Somali man who's family were all in Africa. He had liver transplant surgery and had complications therefore he had to stay in the hospital for few weeks, when Somalis heard about this, they took turns staying with him in the hospital. A lot of people volunteered and they've even successfully helped him sponsor his children to come to Mn.
I've never felt more proud to be Somali when I heard that.
Our people might do some fucked up shit at times but at the end of the day, they will come through when one of us is in need.
u can find your way out following the exit sign
So you basically have an inferiority complex?Serious answer YES!
So you basically have an inferiority complex?
Subxanallah are you for real?NO. I think i am better than Adoons or Indians, so maybe it depend on the spectrum of inferiority complex????