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Puntland should deports Oromos immediately, violent backlash has started
- Thread starter 𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒
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I agree with regulation but we need to be following our legal obligations also.
No one wants open borders but no one should advocate for an ethnicity based immigration policy either…
I'm saying Somalis should just protect themselves and their kin and that everyone else is an enemy and always has been. You idea of moral standards seems to be to accept ethnic replacement, the taken of your ancestral land and the destruction of your race
Oromos have replaced most of the Amhara and Tigray elite in the goverment, the OLA is allowed to ethnically cleanse Amharas with impudently, while Abiy doesn't bat an eye, yeah sure some Oromo may dislike Abiy but when it comes down to it, he has elevated the statues of all Oromos in Ethiopia and has bolstered this narrative that Ethiopia belongs to them. Why do you think thousands of amhara who believed in "Ethiopianimo" have suddenly joined FANO and stop believing the Frankenstein project of a nation called Ethiopia?
War is on the Somali peoples doorstep. If we don't wake up we will be overtaken
Abtidoon wanted the right of self determination. Afar and French collude to try and literally genocide Somalis out of Djibouti. The French, just like the British HATED Somalis and push for other groups to try and exterminate us. Read this thread
Your political lens is flawed, you do not understand fully what you're advocating for, you are forming your opinion based of emotions, you have this inherit bias most likely due to your western upbringing. Ethnic aims are behind every political aim especially in this region in the world.
The way we project our kin is through fighting and showing others we aren't weak so they can't take advantage of us. Inshallah one day Somalis will wake up very soon
it’s currently open boarders as we speak. On top of that we are at a fragile state and high unemployment. You keep speaking about “legal obligations” as if their are any atm. Until we are back at our feet and we have a shortage of capable workers there should be no immigration
Let me ask you a simple question:
Do you want Somalia to be at the same level HoA country?
If you do, then compare yourself to the rest of the Horn in terms of policy, mentality and so on.
However, if you want Somalia to become better than its neighbours then you need start acting like you’re better.
If you keep excusing things with “Well that’s the reality in this region” then your ceiling will always be the status quo of your neighbours.
We are signed to the 1951 Geneva convention of refugees.
Those are our legal obligations.
If you’re advocating leaving that agreement then that’s another conversation. However, until we do that, this entire conversation is advocating something illegal.
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this is somalia we are talking about walaal
Ain’t such thing as legal or illegal
Technically, that convention is part of our law and we’re held accountable to it.
The UNHCR also has a huge presence in Somalia at state and federal level. They’re not letting large scale violations slide.
I am being realistic here.
@Prince of HS @anon2 @Keep it a boqol 💯
Most of the Arab world aren’t signed to the 1951 Geneva convention of refugees.
Somalia could have very well not signed this agreement nor made it legislation.
But they did and here we are.
Most of the Arab world aren’t signed to the 1951 Geneva convention of refugees.
Somalia could have very well not signed this agreement nor made it legislation.
But they did and here we are.
You are very naive sxb, you think if Somalis act morally superior to their neighbors then they will automatically become better than their neighbors? Somalis just need to be united, that's all it will take for stability to happen then development and so on.
The USA is the most powerful country in the world and they didn't get to the spot by acting nice and being "moral".
If you base your actions on someone, you become that person. It’s a fact of life.
If Somalia bases their actions on Ethiopia, their ceiling will be Ethiopia’s status quo.
Your whole arguement is nonsense. Of course I wouldn't support it but the Europeans retaliating would make sense. That's how the world works.
Not only are we cursed with incompetent leaders but we're also riddled with naive Westernized people who think that the Horn of Africa is Sweden. Our ancestors didn't amass all that land by holding hands and singing kumbaya.
The Somali government doesn't even have to do anything overtly. All it takes is for the media to push anti Oromo messages and local Somalis to deny them jobs and housing. Somali clans can't even pack their bags and live in other clan's lands en masse so why should Oromos be able to live in our lands while killing our people in Somali Galbeed.
It was just a simple exercise to see whether you hold a moral juxtaposition.
You do know Swedes are the descendants of the Vikings.
As in one of the most notorious expansionists ever?
If anything, it would be helping your argument to compare the Horn of Africa to Sweden.
I believe that Somalis should have a right to settle anywhere in Somalia regardless of qabiil.
So using this “Somalis can’t even live in other clan lands” argument is moot when you’re discussing with me.
As for your policy suggestions, don’t you think there are Somali politicians that hold the same views as you?
Or do you seriously think that you’re the only one that has thought of this.
The reality is that Somalia will never be able to exercise the policies you advocate for without significant downsides.
The real naïveté is advocating for breaking UN mandated regulations when we rely on the UN for our own survival.
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You are right on all counts, but we have to process the claims in a legitimate manner before you reject them.
If we arbitrarily deport people based on ethnicity, we’re in breach of the law.
Hencewhy, the FGS, in collaboration with the FMS needs to make a cement immigration policy, and systems in place with it, including a court system that deal with such cases and ministies with it, before its too late. Puntland should not bare the brunt for the incompetence of policies. If it happens to one state, its bound to happen to all.
I am not saying wake up one day and say, kick them out, but a set plan, a reason why they are there, whats their plan, and so on. Those without a valid reason can bug off. And there must be a cap, a quota.
Our current policy is ridiculous. Did you know, all nationals can get a visa on arrival, from a person with a North Korean passport to a person with a Guyanese Passport. Its open doors for the world, what type of a policy is that???
I never said anything different to what you said. Please highlight where I said any different?
I am just against violations of International law and norms, esp ones that we have adopted into our legislation.
The only time there is unity on this forum is when we all come together to refute @Periplus
I never said Somalia should have open borders, all I said is that we can kick out every Oromo for no reason other than their ethnicity.
Don’t see what’s wrong with that and pointing out the illegality of this…
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