Puntland refuse to sign two major elements concerning allocation of Federal & State level powers & National Justice System

[MVPSOM]

Waryaada, we may need to declare independence at this point. All of these talks disgust me to my very core.

That would be the best option. But unfortunately, reer PL wholeheartedly believe in Somalinimo iyo midnimo..

 

[MVPSOM]

Not negotiate, once FMS have been established and the constitution finished every FMS will have same rights. FGS is too soft on North East antics. But I guess HSM has hands full on Shabaab maybe two years from now, FGS policy towards spoilers will be what I think it should be today. One law one country.

I wish the qashin rating was still available on the political section.

 

[Laagite]

There is no conspiracy against non mohamud saleeban, Warsangeli would have been Puntland president in 2009 but lost by 1 vote because dhulbahante voted for faroole instead. Anyway there is democracy now and the population will decide who is president. A FGS that let’s clan elders select their President wont have control of the election process of a federal state with democracy.

I wish muj.ilkajir will come back to regional politics, but he's fine with federal politicing.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Do not forget Mohamed A Hashi, who lost by 3 votes, with Mudug & Bari voting for him, and could not secure a singe vote from Sool & Sanaag ( 17 & 9 respectively).

Keep in mind between them ilma Saleebaan only have 12 MPs in the parliament. This myth never ends.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

If one reads the actual Constitution, not the rubbish being tampered with in Xamar, PL has a special status, and until the institutions of Federal government have [matured], and other Federal States have taken [true] shape, it will remain so.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Not negotiate, once FMS have been established and the constitution finished every FMS will have same rights. FGS is too soft on North East antics.

When is that? Has that been done?

Does the Constitutions mean anything to you?

I fail to understand the arguments InaShaqalle & Rationale are trying to make. Are they against the Constitution, as it grants the special status, or are die-hard centralist against federalism. Which is it?

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Waryaada, we may need to declare independence at this point. All of these talks disgust me to my very core.

And leave the country at the mercy of the likes of InaShaqalle & Rationale. Could you even imagine where the country would have been had it not been for PL?

 

[Rationale]

So how is the constitution will be finished without negotiations, bal adigu is qabadsii. until then don't fret, it's happening, FGS will rule the south as a unitary government since those states gave up most of their powers including ports, airports, education & exams, courts, etc, and PL will be the real federal state who retains most of its powers.

There is no unitary state being built. Our politicians have learned to play turub but they still don't do it properly. For me personally it's either Banaadir state and extremely weak FGS or special administration zone with a strong Federal government like in Ethiopia.

When is that? Has that been done?

Does the Constitutions mean anything to you?

I fail to understand the arguments InaShaqalle & Rationale are trying to make. Are they against the Constitution, as it grants the special status, or are die-hard centralist against federalism. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about? I'm mostly mad at politicians in Xamar who can't put a weak rogue state in its place. Constitution kulahaa, that useless pamphlet means dog shit.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

What on earth are you on about? I'm mostly mad at politicians in Xamar who can't put a weak rogue state in its place. Constitution kulahaa, that useless pamphlet means dog shit.

So the Constitution, which is the only legal document we have, to keep the nation afloat does not mean anything to you, I get it.

Let us advance your logic: what is its place?

 

[Rationale]

So the Constitution, which is the only legal document we have, to keep the nation afloat does not mean anything to you, I get it.

Let us advance your logic: what is its place?

It means nothing to everyone. Stop being emotional about it.

 

[bidenkulaha]

There is no unitary state being built. Our politicians have learned to play turub but they still don't do it properly. For me personally it's either Banaadir state and extremely weak FGS or special administration zone with a strong Federal government like in Ethiopia.

What on earth are you on about? I'm mostly mad at politicians in Xamar who can't put a weak rogue state in its place. Constitution kulahaa, that useless pamphlet means dog shit.

Let’s be honest that toilet paper should be used to clean up camel piss. That’s how little the ‘provisional constitution’ is worth

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

It means nothing to everyone. Stop being emotional about it.

I'll ignore the frivolous outburst, and stay with the core argument, for you you are probably too green to follow the rationale of the debate: let me reiterate it: you admitted FMS have not been fully established, and the Constitution does not mean anything to you, then we do not have anything to discuss, do we?

We are either a nation governed by laws, as agreed upon by its citizens, or we stay away from each other.

 

[Rationale]

I'll ignore the frivolous outburst, and stay with the core argument, for you you are probably too green to follow the rationale of the debate: let me reiterate it: you admitted FMS have not been fully establised, and the Consitution does not mean anything to you, then we do not have anything to discuss, do we?

FMS have been established and unfinished constitution is just another pamphlet. When its finished it will hold power. What is there to even argue about?

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

FMS have been established and unfinished constitution is just another pamphlet. When its finished it will hold power. What is there to even argue about?

You just stated they have not been: which is it?

You seem to want to force you wish upon others regardless of the laws to keep the nation together, and its citizens in harmony.

Now you see why people of PL do not want to have anything to do with your rushed, logic-free, haphazardly contrived, Constitution-rejecting mindset.

And one more thing: just 'cos people of PL desire a functioning Somali nation state does not mean they will swallow your rubbish, and tolerate your marauding phyche. The same way that Federalism system is here, despite your cries, a nation state governed by laws shall be built, and its citizens protected from the wolves.

One small step forward by the day.

In the interim, remain on hold, while we refine the document, and devise an election system we could bring to you.

 

[RiceMuncher]

When people take credit for something masterminded by habesha and Kenyans smh my head.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Imagine if every document from Magna Carta has been rejected 'cos it was under the aegis of some phantom entities. It is very hard to try to build a nation with such brilliant minds.

 

[warside]

Let’s be honest that toilet paper should be used to clean up camel piss. That’s how little the ‘provisional constitution’ is worth

Without that ‘provisional constitution’ FGS is just TFG, you can complain about it but it'll not go away until we replace it with a new constitution that satisfies everybody.

 

[warside]

Imagine if every document from Magna Carta has been rejected 'cos it was under the aegis of some phantom entities. It is very hard to try to build a nation with such brilliant minds.

It's the Geeljire mindset, always blame foreign powers when you see something you don't like.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Oh come on, Geeljire are honourable, and could follow logical process of things. You ought to come up with an orignal appleation for their likes.

 

[reer]

Constitution kulahaa, that useless pamphlet means dog shit.

spot on. it was written in hotels in nairobi and addis.