Puntland refuse to sign two major elements concerning allocation of Federal & State level powers & National Justice System

[Rationale]

This the article in the constitution:
Article 142.
Existing Federal Member States in Somalia
(1) Until such time that all the Federal Member States of Somalia are established and the adopted Federal Member State Constitutions are harmonized with the Somali Federal Constitution, the Federal Member States existing prior to the provisional adoption of this Provisional Constitution by a National Constituent Assembly shall retain and exercise powers endowed by their own State Constitution.
(2) Existing Federal Member States must be consulted in the decision-making process regarding the federal system, and security arrangements.

I see no mention of PL. And anyways its outdated. FMS have been established there is no reason for PL to negotiate with FGS or solely follow their own constitution.

 

[Xoriyo]

I see no mention of PL. And anyways its outdated. FMS have been established there is no reason for PL to negotiate with FGS or solely follow their own constitution.

Do you have comprehension issues? He said that Puntland meets these conditions not that it specifically refers to Puntland.

 

[warside]

I see no mention of PL. And anyways its outdated. FMS have been established there is no reason for PL to negotiate with FGS or solely follow their own constitution.

Not by name but what do you think they mean " States existing prior to ...", also you seem to skip the other condition: completing the constitution and its harmonization with FMS constitutions, so until then PL can follow their own constitution as stated in article 142 of the provisional constitution.

 

[InaShaqalle]

It's temporary autonomy until powers are divided, FGS has : (A) Foreign Affairs (B) National Defense (C) Citizenship and Immigration (D) Monetary Policy, everything else will be negotiated, maybe you want unitary system that decides everything in Mogadishu but PL don't.

No I would not have a problem following the UAE's model of collegial federalism. Strong federal government headquartered in say Bosaso is jointly led by FMS heads

 

[World]

Why would Puntland, the only democratic federal state, let the corrupt and tribal FGS control their election process?

 

[InaShaqalle]

Why would Puntland, the only democratic federal state, let the corrupt and tribal FGS control their election process?

What's democratic about a clan enclave that never had universal suffrage. PS not giving the state presidency to non Mohamud Saleban is akin to apartheid

 

[FBIsomalia]

Why would Puntland, the only democratic federal state, let the corrupt and tribal FGS control their election process?

FGS will ask Amisom on this matter .

 

[FBIsomalia]

What's democratic about a clan enclave that never had universal suffrage. PS not giving the state presidency to non Mohamud Saleban is akin to apartheid

Second puntland president Dhulbahante.

 

[InaShaqalle]

Second puntland president Dhulbahante.

Interim president

 

[World]

What's democratic about a clan enclave that never had universal suffrage. PS not giving the state presidency to non Mohamud Saleban is akin to apartheid

There is no conspiracy against non mohamud saleeban, Warsangeli would have been Puntland president in 2009 but lost by 1 vote because dhulbahante voted for faroole instead. Anyway there is democracy now and the population will decide who is president. A FGS that let’s clan elders select their President wont have control of the election process of a federal state with democracy.

 

[InaShaqalle]

There is no conspiracy against non mohamud saleeban, Warsangeli would have been Puntland president in 2009 but lost by 1 vote because dhulbahante voted for faroole instead. Anyway there is democracy now and the population will decide who is president. A FGS that let’s clan elders select their President wont have control over a federal state with democracy.

How can you expect the FGS to be democratic when it doesn't control renegade FMSs like PL? There needs to be rule of law to have democracy

 

[World]

How can you expect the FGS to be democratic when it doesn't control renegade FMSs like PL? There needs to be rule of law to have democracy

There is nothing renegade about what PL is doing, it’s in constitution that they will negotiate the FGS powers. This is their right. The constitution mentions that states before 2012 have special status.

 

[InaShaqalle]

There is nothing renegade about what PL is doing, it’s in constitution that they will negotiate the FGS powers. This is their right. The constitution mentions that states before 2012 have special rights.

I would not mind relocation the federal authorities from Mogadishu to Galkayo/Bosaso if it meant bringing PL under federal authority

 

[Rationale]

Not by name but what do you think they mean " States existing prior to ...", also you seem to skip the other condition: completing the constitution and its harmonization with FMS constitutions, so until then PL can follow their own constitution as stated in article 142 of the provisional constitution.

FMS* and the meaning is open for interpretation. As long as the constitution doesn't say "PL has a special status" I see no reason to give it any. PL doesn't provide FGS with anything, the fact they think they can refuse when everyone else has signed, is sign that Xamar is led by inept politicians. Bunch of amateurs.

 

[warside]

FMS* and the meaning is open for interpretation. As long as the constitution doesn't say "PL has a special status" I see no reason to give it any. PL doesn't provide FGS with anything, the fact they think they can refuse when everyone else has signed, is sign that Xamar is led by inept politicians. Bunch of amateurs.

But it stated clearly that member states which existed before to 2012 do have special status, i.e., can exercise powers in their state constitution, and PL existed before that so the article clearly applies.
In the provisional constitution the only powers that's exclusive to FGS is Foreign Affairs, National Defense, Citizenship and Monetary Policy, if other states gave most of their powers to the federal government in exchange of monetary gains, PL has the right to negotiate with FGS since the constitution is giving them more powers that other states don't have.
Also as stated in the communique, PL will draft a document outlining their vision and they will negotiate with FGS and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[InaShaqalle]

But it stated clearly that member states which existed before to 2012 do have special status, i.e., can exercise powers in their state constitution, and PL existed before that so the article clearly applies.
In the provisional constitution the only powers that's exclusive to FGS is Foreign Affairs, National Defense, Citizenship and Monetary Policy, if other states gave most of their powers to the federal government in exchange of monetary gains, PL has the right to negotiate with FGS since the constitution is giving them more powers that other states don't have.
Also as stated in the communique, PL will draft a document outlining their vision and they will negotiate with FGS and there's nothing wrong with that.

Why is Puntland violating Article 54 by exercising its own defence for example? Only the feds can have armed forces

 

[warside]

Why is Puntland violating Article 54 by exercising its own defence for example? Only the feds can have armed forces

Every state can have a Daraawiish force, it even stated that in yesterday agreement between FGS & other FMS.
Also do you remember when PL transferred some Darawiish to FGS but HSM in his 1st term reneged on his promises.

 

[Prince of HS]

Every state can have a Daraawiish force, it even stated that in yesterday agreement between FGS & other FMS.
Also do you remember when PL transferred some Darawiish to FGS but HSM in his 1st term reneged on his promises.

I agree with this particular point. States are allowed to have their own local state police force but the military forces should come under fgs. Puntland should revive the 54th division and it should come under the SNA. You can keep the PSF as it is actually well built and is a state police force. Just how we have local state HS forces but our 27th division comes under the SNA

 

[warside]

I agree with this particular point. States are allowed to have their own local state police force but the military forces should come under fgs. Puntland should revive the 54th division and it should come under the SNA. You can keep the PSF as it is actually well built and is a state police force. Just how we have local state HS forces but our 27th division comes under the SNA

Eventually, but it's one of those issues that also needs negotiations and agreements.

 

[The Midlands]

PL wants parallel Govt and shared powers in many areas instead of dividing them between the two levels. I understand that they cannot put their legal system under a place full of corruption like Xamar. I think PL should demand to have special status but they must forget about waxayga anaa leh waxaadana kulalihi forget about ruling Villa Xamar and the central regions.