Puntland refuse to sign two major elements concerning allocation of Federal & State level powers & National Justice System

FBIsomalia

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It seems qoslya wants to start xarmaajo agenda to be anti federal.

Great move Deni.
 
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How is that anti federalism? There needs to be a clear cut agremement on the roles of the FGS and FMS. All other states agreed so why is the mother of federalism holding back? These people always screamed for federalism but when true federalism is implemented they are against it. Very confusing and qaran dumis if you ask me
 

FBIsomalia

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How is that anti federalism? There needs to be a clear cut agremement on the roles of the FGS and FMS. All other states agreed why is the mother of federalism holding back? These people always screamed for federalism but when true federalism is implemented they are against it. Very confusing and qaran dumis if you ask me
First, how we agree if Somalia Dastuur its not complete?.

Yes the real state here is Puntland. When you free of Amisom and your goverment function then you can talk.

Dont forget we bring federalism to Somalia and we will keep it as it fit for modern Somalia. No more xamar have all power.
 

bidenkulaha

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This isn’t anti-federal lol. Otherwise all 4 other states wouldn’t have signed up.

Federal government should have federal court, federal taxes and own federal land across the states. We aren’t a confederacy and was always going to head this.
 
Seems like PL wants
First, how we agree if Somalia Dastuur its not complete?.

Yes the real state here is Puntland. When you free of Amisom and your goverment function then you can talk.

Dont forget we bring federalism to Somalia and we will keep it as it fit for modern Somalia. No more xamar have all power.

The dameer in Villa Somalia was the one begging Deni to save mogadisho when NN confined him to small room in Jazeera and now he wants to be like NN.
 
The dameer in Villa Somalia was the one begging Deni to save mogadisho when NN confined him to small room in Jazeera and now he wants to be like NN.
Establishing rules of federalism is being like N&N apparently. how exactly do you guys want federalism to be implemented? everyday you MJ’s make it clear how much of qaran dumis you guys are :mjlol:
 
They will sign it.
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Somalis really don't understand what federalism means, Somalia today is actually not a federation but a very loose confederation, each federal state has the power to limit movement across its borders. Empowering federalism means strengthing the FGS.
 
They will sign it.
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PL will get more powers than other states, that's why they said in the communique that PL will present their arguments and will negotiate directly with FGS, and this isn't odd because even the federal constitution gives more powers to PL that other states don't have.
 
PL will get more powers than other states, that's why they said in the communique that PL will present their arguments and will negotiate directly with FGS, and this isn't odd because even the federal constitution gives more powers to PL that other states don't have.

FGS won't permit special status for Puntland
 
PL will get more powers than other states, that's why they said in the communique that PL will present their arguments and will negotiate directly with FGS, and this isn't odd because even the federal constitution gives more powers to PL that other states don't have.
They will be stripped of all special status, it's only matter of time. I don't think the constitution gives PL any special power or status. The law will be same for all. Once GM, SWS and HS are free of Shabaab. I see no reason for the FGS to ignore the rogue behaviour in North-East.
 
They will be stripped of all special status, it's only matter of time. I don't think the constitution gives PL any special power or status. The law will be same for all. Once GM, SWS and HS are free of Shabaab. I see no reason for the FGS to ignore the rogue behaviour in North-East.
In the constitution, states established before 2012 (PL) have the right to do what's in their state constitution until the time they reach an agreement with FGS, and that article involves PL only, so without new constitution PL can do what's in their constitution and FGS can't strip anything.
 
Somaliland existed before Puntland so does that mean Somaliland can do whatever it wants according to Somalia's provisional constitution
 
Somaliland existed before Puntland so does that mean Somaliland can do whatever it wants according to Somalia's provisional constitution
If they agree that they're a federal member state, I believe yes, since the article is clear that the federal member states existing prior to its adoption can do what's in their constitution, but since SL doesn't recognize they're FMS this doesn't involve them.
 
I don't think the constitution gives PL any special power or status. The law will be same for all. Once GM, SWS and HS are free of Shabaab. I see no reason for the FGS to ignore the rogue behaviour in North-East.

Somaliland existed before Puntland so does that mean Somaliland can do whatever it wants according to Somalia's provisional constitution
This the article in the constitution:
Article 142.
Existing Federal Member States in Somalia
(1)
Until such time that all the Federal Member States of Somalia are established and the adopted Federal Member State Constitutions are harmonized with the Somali Federal Constitution, the Federal Member States existing prior to the provisional adoption of this Provisional Constitution by a National Constituent Assembly shall retain and exercise powers endowed by their own State Constitution.
(2) Existing Federal Member States must be consulted in the decision-making process regarding the federal system, and security arrangements.
 
If they agree that they're a federal member state, I believe yes, since the article is clear that the federal member states existing prior to its adoption can do what's in their constitution, but since SL doesn't recognize they're FMS this doesn't involve them.

But if PL/SL do whatever they want then why does PL claim to be part of Somalia and why does Somalia refuse SL independence since SL accepting FMS status means de facto independence?
 
How is that anti federalism? There needs to be a clear cut agremement on the roles of the FGS and FMS. All other states agreed so why is the mother of federalism holding back? These people always screamed for federalism but when true federalism is implemented they are against it. Very confusing and qaran dumis if you ask me
Cause they confuse federalism with confederacy
 
But if PL/SL do whatever they want then why does PL claim to be part of Somalia and why does Somalia refuse SL independence since SL accepting FMS status means de facto independence?
It's temporary autonomy until powers are divided, FGS has : (A) Foreign Affairs (B) National Defense (C) Citizenship and Immigration (D) Monetary Policy, everything else will be negotiated, maybe you want unitary system that decides everything in Mogadishu but PL don't.
 
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