Puntland has caused more destruction to the Somali State than the so called mooryaan

[nomand]

Interesting topic.

But a correction:

Reer puntland brought in ethiopians twice in 2006 and in the 80s also.

80s failed and the ssdf surrendered.

Other then that I think your spot on

 

[Younes Osman]

winner don't propose peace deals....

Some governments do propose peace deals for the purpose of establishing some form of peace agreement that works in the interest of the wider population at large which is the wrong way of thinking. But, to some its not always about winning its about the long-term prospective. However, in the case of Ethiopian government they have won the fight against the ONLF.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

what war are you talking about,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Ethiopian Army karbashed ONLF, a terrorist organisation that uses young children to do their dirty bidding .

focking 1door, stop making up lies,

your masters in DDS when they win election 2020 Insha Allah next summer,

like it or not, they will be ruling 1door in DDS, now pipe down boy,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Some governments do propose peace deals for the purpose of establishing some form of peace agreement that work in the interest of the wider population at large . But, its not always about winning its about the long-term prospective. However, in the case of Ethiopian government they have won the fight against the ONLF.

no they haven't son, Ethiopia begged for peace with out single condition that zinawi used to demand, not a single condition and allowed to run for elections and conduct a referendum,

if somalia allowed you to do election then referendum, you would be in Xamar in minutes, stop lying,

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Some governments do propose peace deals for the purpose of establishing some form of peace agreement that work in the interest of the wider population at large . But, its not always about winning its about the long-term prospective. However, in the case of Ethiopian government they have won the fight against the ONLF.

lmoa, by definition proposing a peace deal with terrorist group is compromise not a victory.
also to who onlf terrorist group to who? derg? tplf?
remember lander boy we are both part of unpo

 

[Younes Osman]

focking 1door, stop making up lies,

your masters in DDS when they win election 2020 Insha Allah next summer,

like it or not, they will be ruling 1door in DDS, now pipe down boy,

Nobody is ruling Nobody based on qabil

 

[shum33]

Some governments do propose peace deals for the purpose of establishing some form of peace agreement that works in the interest of the wider population at large . But, its not always about winning its about the long-term prospective. However, in the case of Ethiopian government they have won the fight against the ONLF.

sxb are you reasoning with a low i.q cagdhere?

"we were fighting orOmo for 100 years" bro they were selling their women to oromo who were accustomed to cagdhere s11L here is something i found in this forum
check it out below

they were slaves to habeshis for years,they are feeling treatened they don't want somaliland to have a good relationship with ethiopia cause they think we are bunch of b1tches like @Teeri-Alpha
more on cagdhere slaves below

 

[Younes Osman]

sxb are you reasoning with a low i.q cagdhere?

"we were fighting orOmo for 100 years" bro they were selling their women to oromo who were accustomed to cagdhere s11L here is something i found in this forum
check it out below

they were slaves to habeshis for years,they are feeling treatened they don't want somaliland to have a good relationship with ethiopia cause they think we are bunch of b1tches like @Teeri-Alpha
more on cagdhere slaves below

True, he lacks reasoning skills.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Nobody is ruling Nobody based on qabil

Funny, you do that in 1dooristan, the pot calling the kettle black, 1doorka waaa hypocritical

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

sxb are you reasoning with a low i.q cagdhere?

"we were fighting orOmo for 100 years" bro they were selling the women to oromo who were accustomed to cagdhere s11l here is something i found in this forum
check it out below

they were slaves to habeshis for years,they are filling treatened they don't want somaliland to have a good relationship with ethiopia cause they think we are bunch of b1tches like @Teeri-Alpha
more on cagdhere slaves below

nigga isaaq were beging to habesha from ogaden to suceed from ethiopia and dominating them

ONLF to dominate the administration and regional affairs’ of the new Somali region (UNEUE 1995: 3). Hence, it is possible to view the ESDL as an attempt to ‘fuse the interests of non-Ogadeni communities in Region 5’ (Ibid). Accordingly, in 1994 the ESDL came in to being after a meeting held in the Hurso military camp in eastern Ethiopia. Among those in attendance at this meeting was the then Prime Minster of the TGE, Tamrat Layne, who addressed the meeting. The late Dr. Abdulmajid
]Hussein, then serving as a cabinet minister in the central government became chair of the new political party. The name of the new party and its emblems brought together symbols from Ethiopia and Somalia. The new party borrowed the designation ‘League’ from the historic Somali Youth League (SYL), a pan-Somali organisation that played an important role in securing the independence of Somalia and the unification of the British and the Italian Somali colonies at the beginning of the 1960s. Moreover, a former activist of the SYL was appointed as honorary chair of the ESDL.2 This gesture was to give the impression that the new party was a pan-Somali organisation as opposed to the ONLF. To show the new party’s disassociation from the Greater Somalia ideology and to assure its willingness to work within the ‘new’ Ethiopia, it added Ethiopia in its nomenclature. Furthermore, the colours of the ESDL incorporated some of the national colours of Ethiopia and Somalia, showing, according to one of the founders, ‘the possibility of bringing peace between the two countries.’3 With the strong support of the EPRDF,

there even combined the ethiopia and somali colors to please there habehsa masters

 

[Yonis]

My reaction as well.

You were exported live sheep to cardiff no different to african americans, they were exported for farming, u were exported for mercenaries in the war, u remained in cardiff and were discriminated against go read about the cardiff isaaq community, your own ppl sold you as product as you had no value because of your IRIR CHAOTIC BRAIN. Now I want to export you body parts due to this IRIR inspired economic climate. U will return a GDP margin god dammit, I need a damn positive number to speak on with my friends here when we are talking about net gains. I have to speak based on your irir chaotic environment that u gave us, u turned your mental chaos into the nation, wallahi your head isn't systematic and logic and sequence based, u converted all those irir genetics in ur brain and placed it on the nation, it's your brain chemicals must be different to us, we are definitely not the same people. I saw the 'art' of your brain in the nation, I know the art of darod somalia.

Wisdom right here

Had no idea Cardiff eydoor were imported like AA's

Ditoore as insightful as ever

 

[CirJiid]

Interesting topic.

But a correction:

Reer puntland brought in ethiopians twice in 2006 and in the 80s also.

80s failed and the ssdf surrendered.

Other then that I think your spot on

I herd in 80s when they brough ethiopians the Majertenia put Ethiopian flag up in Somalia

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

exactly they are sneaky like that using somalia's gov but constantly undermining it,there were alot of factors that lead to the fall of mooriyans,heck even ICU contributed to it since they were the ones going turf by turf taking back the south when the gov under AY were bickering and fighting in nairobi,who knows maybe they used the chance to make some money so they can build their desert land

all i am saying is,if they decide to be part of somalia and have contributed to somalia since its beginning then they should stop playing games and commit

i bet you this if they could have left somalia they would have long ago and the south would have settled without them,the only reason like you obviously stated is they depend on the south and they would perish without them

The region was historically independent your point doesn't make sense

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

I herd in 80s when they brough ethiopians the Majertenia put Ethiopian flag up in Somalia

after the failed invasion the derg called sddf unreliable organistation against siad barre regime.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Interesting topic.

But a correction:

Reer puntland brought in ethiopians twice in 2006 and in the 80s also.

80s failed and the ssdf surrendered.

Other then that I think your spot on

But marexan has also bro7ght Ethiopians twice.

Once when Ina Masaale in the 90s asked Ethiopians to loot Gedo.

Secondly is Farmajo brought more Ethiopains who are non Amisom to Somalia he massacred peaceful protestors in Baidoa, they have taken over Gedo and Galmudug what is left? They tried kidnapping Madoobe under Failmajos instructions.

 

[CirJiid]

after the failed invasion the derg called sddf unreliable organistation against siad barre regime.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

in 1985 abdulahi yusuf was jailed by derg regime after he refused to give up teritory that he capture to ethiopia.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

If we wanted to rule somalia we could rule it with no problem. Ogaden are not a major player in Somalia and have to take what is given. We can easily get north south pres prime minister and the capital in hargeisa. Jubaland is not an Ogaden region the city of kismayo is just occupied by Kenyans. The majority of jubaland non darood it has the same demographic issue of Israel. A stable democratic somalia and the existence of this form of jubaland are contradictory to each other. Majeerteenia is a barren desert with a low population that’s why they can’t defend the lands they claim from Somaliland.

The mistake you are making is thinking that something called Somalia exists. Even if Hawiye and Isaaq united politically and decided to recreate the Somali state, that state would not have the resources necessary to impose itself on the Darood. There no longer exists a state that is called Somalia that can taken over and then used to crush opposing tribes. The military potential of Hawiye in Somalia is easily counterbalanced by the Jubaland-NFD Darood as was evidenced by the defeat of the USC in Jubaland. The military potential of the Isaaq is more than counterbalanced by the Harti. You would have a replay of the civil war but on a larger scale. This time however the Juba Darood are better organized, and the northern Darood have a state.

Even if it looked like the Darood in Somalia were outnumbered, keep in mind that the main body of our clan, more than 60%, resides in Ethiopia. All in all it is far from clear who would win in a new civil war between Hawiye/Isaaq and Darood, within Somalia. If the Ethiopian Darood participate in any significant way it would tip the scales in favor the Darood.

 

[nomand]

The mistake you are making is thinking that something called Somalia exists. Even if Hawiye and Isaaq united politically and decided to recreate the Somali state, that state would not have the resources necessary to impose itself on the Darood. There no longer exists a state that is called Somalia that can taken over and then used to crush opposing tribes. The military potential of Hawiye in Somalia is easily counterbalanced by the Jubaland-NFD Darood as was evidenced by the defeat of the USC in Jubaland. The military potential of the Isaaq is more than counterbalanced by the Harti. You would have a replay of the civil war but on a larger scale. This time however the Juba Darood are better organized, and the northern Darood have a state.

Even if it looked like the Darood in Somalia were outnumbered, keep in mind that the main body of our clan, more than 60%, resides in Ethiopia. All in all it is far from clear who would win in a new civil war between Hawiye/Isaaq and Darood, within Somalia. If the Ethiopian Darood participate in any significant way it would tip the scales in favor the Darood.

you are being a bit disingenuous here my friend, first of all the USC with the SPM (ogadeen) where defeated by the SNF in the south. the very same SPM are today in kismaayo and darod is not united in jubbaland.

we effectively have 3 jubbalands, 45 percent under the control the government, kismaayo under madoobe and the rest under shabaab.

as long as madoobe is in kismaayo jubbaland will never succeed. As for hawiye/isaaq they are separated by darod, you have harti in between them and marehan of mudug/ galgaduud you also have ogadeen in DDSI between them and harti/ marehan in the ddsi.

truth is no one can win a civil war and we all saw that in the 90's hawiye defeated darod in hawiye lands and darod defeated hawiye in darod lands.

you will always fight 10 times harder in your own soil.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

we effectively have 3 jubbalands, 45 percent under the control the government, kismaayo under madoobe and the rest under shabaab.

as long as madoobe is in kismaayo jubbaland will never succeed.

45% is controlled by non ethiopian anisom instructed by failmaajo it's no different from what abdulahi yusuf did in 1980s.
how can you claim you want see jubbaland prosper if you impose blockade on the citizens.