UNVERIFIED President Deni approves a temporary AFRICOM base in Puntland

[Crow]

Why, if you don't mind me asking?

I think Puntland crushing Al Shabaab scum and eliminating those cockroaches of the face of the earth, is music to all Somali ears and nothing would make me happier.

However, inviting American's who do not value innocent Somali lives at all, into your land in my opinion is a terrible idea. They will not discriminate between Al Shabaab and other Somali's. The casualties of their drones are 90% innocent people.

What you're thinking about has never happened in Puntland; it's a southern issue. But even in the south, I question that number. I'm well aware that the U.S. has killed many civilians in Al Shabaab territory, but I'm not convinced that they make up 90% of the total killed. I'm okay with collateral damage in the south as long as they pay blood money to the families of the victims, which they haven't been doing. But this won't be a problem in Puntland.

This base will bring us more counter terrorism funding, training, and support. The Americans can do things like help us catch the suspicious planes that quietly enter and leave Bari's mountains, help detect terrorist activity in Bosaso port, particularly related to terrorist groups based in Yemen and beyond, and help detect terrorists entering Puntland from other parts of the country.

Depending on how much training and support they provide, we might even be able to permanently secure Xarardheere district in Galnus since it's a huge security risk for Gaalkacyo.

 

[DalsanJubiland]

Deljecel do you have this in Zanbia?

 

[Manafesto]

@Manafesto Where did you hear it was temporary?

No where to be honest, I made it up, I don't like Americans in Bossaso.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Bruh, we fight shabaab we get calaacal, we request us support we get calaacal.

The hateful folks do not want to see others succeed where they failed.

There is no super all time high civilian casualties. You care when the us has killed some of our innocent people in the process of weakening Al shaytaan. But when shabaab kills hundreds at single times it’s only AUN.


Man f*ck off with the hate and spite.


There is no point in sharing a country with them. We must protect our children from these monsters.

Yaa ilahay yaqaan

 

[Cigaal Timacadde]

What you're thinking about has never happened in Puntland; it's a southern issue. But even in the south, I question that number. I'm well aware that the U.S. has killed many civilians in Al Shabaab territory, but I'm not convinced that they make up 90% of the total killed. I'm okay with collateral damage in the south as long as they pay blood money to the families of the victims, which they haven't been doing. But this won't be a problem in Puntland.

1. The number is not just in Somalia - It is the number that the US have admitted to for drone casualties globally. Highly credible sources like the Intercept and the New York Times in the US, and the Guardian and Independent newspapers in the UK have been reporting about this number (90% casualty rates) for years. It is not a number you can actually question based on the facts.

2. You are ok with "collateral damage" as a Muslim? First of all I think it is disgusting to refer to innocent people, often women and children, being blown to smithereens as "collateral damage". That is a term the neo-con warmongers like to use to remove any humanity from the lives they are destroying. Beyond that, I don't know how, as a Muslim, you can be okay with innocent Muslims being knowingly torn to pieces. I think that is a horrible disregard for human life. In particular I find that disturbing coming from a fellow Somali. The reason I want Al Shabaab wiped of the face of planet is because they destroy innocent Somali lives, your solution is destroy more innocent Somali lives.

 

[GeeljirePoet]

This is terrible

US aint sincere in their fight against Shabaab .I only see Americans flexing their evil agenda to new territories in Somalia .

They are looking for a military base under a false pretext .I hope Deni will say a big NO to the profrssional conmen of America.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

1. The number is not just in Somalia - It is the number that the US have admitted to for drone casualties globally. Highly credible sources like the Intercept and the New York Times in the US, and the Guardian and Independent newspapers in the UK have been reporting about this number (90% casualty rates) for years. It is not a number you can actually question based on the facts.

2. You are ok with "collateral damage" as a Muslim? First of all I think it is disgusting to refer to innocent people, often women and children, being blown to smithereens as "collateral damage". That is a term the neo-con warmongers like to use to remove any humanity from the lives they are destroying. Beyond that, I don't know how, as a Muslim, you can be okay with innocent Muslims being knowingly torn to pieces. I think that is a horrible disregard for human life. In particular I find that disturbing coming from a fellow Somali. The reason I want Al Shabaab wiped of the face of planet is because they destroy innocent Somali lives, your solution is destroy more innocent Somali lives.

1. The number is not just in Somalia - It is the number that the US have admitted to for drone casualties globally. Highly credible sources like the Intercept and the New York Times in the US, and the Guardian and Independent newspapers in the UK have been reporting about this number (90% casualty rates) for years. It is not a number you can actually question based on the facts.

2. You are ok with "collateral damage" as a Muslim? First of all I think it is disgusting to refer to innocent people, often women and children, being blown to smithereens as "collateral damage". That is a term the neo-con warmongers like to use to remove any humanity from the lives they are destroying. Beyond that, I don't know how, as a Muslim, you can be okay with innocent Muslims being knowingly torn to pieces. I think that is a horrible disregard for human life. In particular I find that disturbing coming from a fellow Somali. The reason I want Al Shabaab wiped of the face of planet is because they destroy innocent Somali lives, your solution is destroy more innocent Somali lives.

Let me start off by saying war is not for the faint hearted.

Al shaytaan kill atleast 1000 somalis every year.
By now they are mercenaries with a hint of terrorism.
They will not blink twice if they get the chance of repeating the last mega bomb they deployed.

Yes the drone strikes also kills innocent somalis. However if we stop shooting from the skies they will continue killing more innocent somalis.

If you have a solution that doesn’t kill any innocent people. Please share that wonderfully world Changing idea.

We must double down on al shaytaan, from the skies and the ground.
If we had an airforce aka no arms embargo we would have bombed them more than the us is doing now.

The innocent people are also brainwashed and in need of an sna imam that will de-brainwash them like usual.

Your viewpoint is far from reality.

 

[Abdalla]

They only reason I will support this is, if it is special operations forces like Africom and our boys can conduct the operations with the Americans. This will give our special forces the necessary experience

PSF already conducts operations with special trained American troops. They recently killed a senior jihadist of Pakistani descent.

 

[Cigaal Timacadde]

Let me start off by saying war is not for the faint hearted.

If you have a solution that doesn’t kill any innocent people. Please share that wonderfully world Changing idea.

We must double down on al shaytaan, from the skies and the ground.
If we had an airforce aka no arms embargo we would have bombed them more than the us is doing now.

Your viewpoint is far from reality.

War is not for the faint hearted kulahaa. It is Islamic Fiqh that you shall not unnecessarily kill innocent civilians if you can avoid it. Being a keyboard warrior does not a fighter make. It is easy to talk like a soldier from behind a keyboard when you are not the one that is going to have drone missiles raining down on you. I'm not even a Puntlander and I seem to value innocent Puntlander lives more than you.

As for a solution - Why do you think that Somaliland has essentino Al Shabaab problem? They had a significant presence in Somaliland in the early 2000's but they have essentially been eradicated there now. I'm sure they have spies and informants there, but they are not committing atrocities now.
In fact, Cadaans and other foreigners walk freely in Somaliland with no fear for their security.
Somaliland did not sacrifice any of its citizens to eradicate the Al Shabaab problem.

If you find the answer to the above question, you will find the solution to the Al Shabaab problem in Puntland.

 

[Farm]

They only reason I will support this is, if it is special operations forces like Africom and our boys can conduct the operations with the Americans. This will give our special forces the necessary experience

PSF already conducts operations with special trained American troops. They recently killed a senior jihadist of Pakistani descent.

The PL post and Dalsan articles said the base would be manned by the PSF and Africom jointly. So it sounds like what you are describing.

 

[Abdalla]

The PL post and Dalsan articles said the base would be manned by the PSF and Africom jointly. So it sounds like what you are describing.

Is it a miliary base where they'll have a huge presence and lease the land to them or will it be a station for special operations. The first option is utterly useless and will have huge detrimental effects on us, they'll attract prostitutes from Somaliland and Ethiopia like in the pirate days. The latter option is a big plus only if we are partnering up with them.

 

[Farm]

Is it a miliary base where they'll have a huge presence and lease the land to them or will it be a station for special operations. The first option is utterly useless and will have huge detrimental effects on us, they'll attract prostitutes from Somaliland and Ethiopia like in the pirate days. The latter option is a big plus only if we are partnering up with them.

From the articles it sounds like the second one. I agree having a large base is useless at this stage unless we have major leverage over Africom and can get good concessions.

 

[GBTarmy]

Is it a miliary base where they'll have a huge presence and lease the land to them or will it be a station for special operations. The first option is utterly useless and will have huge detrimental effects on us, they'll attract prostitutes from Somaliland and Ethiopia like in the pirate days. The latter option is a big plus only if we are partnering up with them.

I doubt a large military base since they have Kenya and Djibouti, the base should strictly be for special operations and supporting PSF.

 

[FBIsomalia]

I doubt a large military base since they have Kenya and Djibouti, the base should strictly be for special operations and supporting PSF.

Why I feel all that related to Oil .

 

[GBTarmy]

Why I feel all that related to Oil .

Nah I don't think it's oil otherwise they would have come years ago

 

[FBIsomalia]

Nah I don't think it's oil otherwise they would have come years ago

Maybe you are right .

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

War is not for the faint hearted kulahaa. It is Islamic Fiqh that you shall not unnecessarily kill innocent civilians if you can avoid it. Being a keyboard warrior does not a fighter make. It is easy to talk like a soldier from behind a keyboard when you are not the one that is going to have drone missiles raining down on you. I'm not even a Puntlander and I seem to value innocent Puntlander lives more than you.

As for a solution - Why do you think that Somaliland has essentino Al Shabaab problem? They had a significant presence in Somaliland in the early 2000's but they have essentially been eradicated there now. I'm sure they have spies and informants there, but they are not committing atrocities now.
In fact, Cadaans and other foreigners walk freely in Somaliland with no fear for their security.
Somaliland did not sacrifice any of its citizens to eradicate the Al Shabaab problem.

If you find the answer to the above question, you will find the solution to the Al Shabaab problem in Puntland.

First of all no civilians will perish in pl since the terrorist are in caves. Only if they travel with the terrorists they are im danger. The situation I am referring to is happening in the south.

You seem to Be arguing From a different dimension where the terrorists in pl mingle with the people

 

[Cigaal Timacadde]

First of all no civilians will perish in pl since the terrorist are in caves. Only if they travel with the terrorists they are im danger. The situation I am referring to is happening in the south.

You seem to Be arguing From a different dimension where the terrorists in pl mingle with the people

Clearly you have no understanding of where drone strikes have been deployed before (other than South Somalia), and the impacts they've had. In Northern Pakistan, where the Taliban similarly hides in mountains and caves, the civilian casualty rates are still incredibly high, typically between 70%-90%.

Read more about this subject before making definitive statements on a topic you have little understanding of.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Clearly you have no understanding of where drone strikes have been deployed before (other than South Somalia), and the impacts they've had. In Northern Pakistan, where the Taliban similarly hides in mountains and caves, the civilian casualty rates are still incredibly high, typically between 70%-90%.

Read more about this subject before making definitive statements on a topic you have little understanding of.

Drone strikes differ per region. This has to do with geography of the regions.

Sl is different than pl in terms of how people are. Anyone that knows somalia knows this. Plus sl does not border central and southern somalia pl does.

The terrorists in pl seem to want to establish themselves like in the south.

We are dealing with just a few now bomb the shit out of their caves and their transportation when they are out and about. Totally different than other regions in the world that receive drone strikes.

Walaal you are shaming yourself.

 

[Cigaal Timacadde]

Drone strikes differ per region. This has to do with geography of the regions.

Sl is different than pl in terms of how people are. Anyone that knows somalia knows this. Plus sl does not border central and southern somalia pl does.

The terrorists in pl seem to want to establish themselves like in the south.

We are dealing with just a few now bomb the shit out of their caves and their transportation when they are out and about. Totally different than other regions in the world that receive drone strikes.

Walaal you are shaming yourself.

You don't read. This is evident by the fact that you have not responded to anything I've written in response to you.

Difficult to have a conversation with someone like that.