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Well such is the case with oral history, much seeps away through generations. Where as written is as solid as the day it was written. Harti dont orally record that 300 of theirs went to adal, yet we know it happened. More over, the gadabursi clan of ethiopia are said to have vivid stories of ahmed gurey(the dir general who was the first somali contingent to reach harar) according to roblealwalid of somnet.
https://www.somnet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=376773
The marehan, reer imam nur also recollect imam nur ibn mujahid and trace direct lineage to him. There were many gerri generals in the book which im sure left prosterity. The western somalia somalis need to be researched family to family.

The first thing that discredits the DIR theory is we would need to accept the same people occupied the same land since the 13th century without any shift, migration, disease, war, or climate change occurring. The fact climate change is so common in Somalia, shift of population would be required at least every 50 years, let alone 800 years.

The liklihood of the same people populating Zeila over 800 year period(14th century to 21st century) is ludicrous to any logically sane person, it's not even sellable knowing how migrations happen in Somalia due to wars, diseases, and climate change such as droughts. The fact Somalis MOVE every 50 years is most likely scenario. So are u arguing DIR have been inhabiting the same land for 800 years without any shift of population? Heck Bah Dubays just shifted within 20 years from Garowe to Birta Dheer and we Shifted from Qardho to Garowe all over 150 year time period. You can imagine where my clan will be in 800 years.

To argue no other older population be it(arab or harari) didn't exist in Zaylac PRIOR to DIR is ludicurous. The other thing that hurts that theory is DIR are nomadic not COASTAL settlers, what the hell was DIR doing in Zaylac? heck even Bosaso is known to be ARAB as xafatul arab is the oldest settlement in town, infact all coastal areas have proven the oldest quarter are ARAB, not Somali. Somalis are just camel helders in the interior nothing more, they don't have coastal civilization till much later like 17th century
 
The first thing that discredits the DIR theory is we would need to accept the same people occupied the same land since the 13th century without any shift, migration, disease, war, or climate change occurring. The fact climate change is so common in Somalia, shift of population would be required at least every 50 years, let alone 800 years.

The liklihood of the same people populating Zeila over 800 year period(14th century to 21st century) is ludicrous to any logically sane person, it's not even sellable knowing how migrations happen in Somalia due to wars, diseases, and climate change such as droughts. The fact Somalis MOVE every 50 years is most likely scenario. So are u arguing DIR have been inhabiting the same land for 800 years without any shift of population? Heck Bah Dubays just shifted within 20 years from Garowe to Birta Dheer and we Shifted from Qardho to Garowe all over 150 year time period. You can imagine where my clan will be in 800 years.

To argue no other older population be it(arab or harari) didn't exist in Zaylac PRIOR to DIR is ludicurous. The other thing that hurts that theory is DIR are nomadic not COASTAL settlers, what the hell was DIR doing in Zaylac? heck even Bosaso is known to be ARAB as xafatul arab is the oldest settlement in town, infact all coastal areas have proven the oldest quarter are ARAB, not Somali. Somalis are just camel helders in the interior nothing more, they don't have coastal civilization till much later like 17th century
Take harti for exmpl. They started off in one city maydh and expanded. Dir and darod are nomadic indeed, but they dont completely leave a region. Dir did infact migrate from coastal settlements into places like dire dhabe. Expansion not relocation. If italians lived in italy for thousands of years why not dir? Italy even had black death, and saracens down their necks.
 

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Take harti for exmpl. They started off in one city maydh and expanded. Dir and darod are nomadic indeed, but they dont completely leave a region. Dir did infact migrate from coastal settlements into places like dire dhabe. Expansion not relocation. If italians lived in italy for thousands of years why not dir? Italy even had black death, and saracens down their necks.

The liklihood of 800 year presence in the same location is really ridiculous for any population let alone a nomadic population who are known to move regularly? Heck we see war constantly just in our life-time between ISSA and Anfar and Oromo or heaps of Dir clans against Oromo such as jaarso, gurgura, isaaq. Imagine how many wars would've existed in the old world? What about droughts? are you saying droughts didn't occur 800 years in Somalia, when we know they happen every 10 years?

We know just from today, DIR don't survive well in wars, look at their sheer numbers, they been swallowed by other conquering Oromo or Anfar. It only takes a generation to change someone identity and all you need to do is remove their spoken language and change it to the conquerer language and change they're names of they're babies so there is no trace of ancestral counts or linkages beyond the conqueror society.
 

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So your condemning the prophet for being close to Abu Talib on relations of tribe and not religion? by rejecting your gaal tribes-man in bah dirooble who loves his clan is no different to Abu Talib story. Your putting to question the prophet loyalty to Islam or else why did he deal with Abu Talib in a good manner? Because they are family that's why, irrespective of religion or politics, blood doesn't change and your duty as a clans-men doesn't change if your muslim or gaal to the clan, you share a common name and ancestors. Anyways this is beyond your futile thinking of 21st century of Islam, you learn your islam from sheikhs online not the ACTUAL history of the prophet
What do you mean condemning the prophet acudu billahi mina shadani rajiim war nin yaho waxaas ma ku ooran tas jeebkaada weeye ee every man has free will and abu talib may Allah have mercy on him made the wrong choice of not submitting his will to the true will of the most sublime.

I reiterate as a muslim when a matter is decreed from the most high we simply say we hear and we obey not our will but only Allah will we obey as his humble servants and slaves.

Aniga maxa kula talin lahaa meeshada joog wadan muslim ah somalia ha isku taagin cause the law of the land is shariah law
 

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What do you mean condemning the prophet acudu billahi mina shadani rajiim war nin yaho waxaas ma ku ooran tas jeebkaada weeye ee every man has free will and abu talib may Allah have mercy on him made the wrong choice of not submitting his will to the true will of the most sublime.

I reiterate as a muslim when a matter is decreed from the most high we simply say we hear and we obey not our will but only Allah will we obey as his humble servants and slaves.

Aniga maxa kula talin lahaa meeshada joog wadan muslim ah somalia ha isku taagin cause the law of the land is shariah law

Why you saying 'allah have mercy on abu talib? He rejected Islam, he made it clear he wasn't interested, yet you say allah have mercy on him? why don't you say that for all GAALO? I am just catching you out on how you 'use' islam for different agenda not FACTUAL analysis. One minute abu talib u saying illahi jannada uu fur, next minute u saying 'dhulkaga' jogg dr osman. Beside I am not even gaal, I am well educated muslim getting rid of your type of muslim who embarass Islam and make people leave it because of your ignorance. Kulaha gaalka abu talib illahi ha uu naxaristo then he says GAALADA KALE ILLAHI HA ADAABO. War ninkani waa sick, he isn't even consistent, waxan dadka tusinaya INAD LABO WEJIILE TAHAY, how can u be muslim if your WORD IS switching around like a dhil00
 

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Why you saying 'allah have mercy on abu talib? He rejected Islam, he made it clear he wasn't interested, yet you say allah have mercy on him? why don't you say that for all GAALO? I am just catching you out on how you 'use' islam for different agenda not FACTUAL analysis. One minute abu talib u saying illahi jannada uu fur, next minute u saying 'dhulkaga' jogg dr osman. Beside I am not even gaal, I am well educated muslim getting rid of your type of muslim who embarass Islam and make people leave it because of your ignorance. Kulaha gaalka abu talib illahi ha uu naxaristo then he says GAALADA KALE ILLAHI HA ADAABO. War ninkani waa sick, he isn't even consistent, waxan dadka tusinaya INAD LABO WEJIILE TAHAY, how can u be muslim if your WORD IS switching around like a dhil00
I say illahay ha u naxaristo cause he is merely a man and no man did Allah create as perfect, at the end of the day we are all sinners and we All deserve the mercy of the most compassionate.

I love for others what i love for myself so why would i curse someone like abu talib? I dont know if i will die in a state of unbelief as a kaffir indeed the most merciful is the changer of hearts and i pray i die with my heart in the right place subservient to the all seeing the All hearing the omnipotent and the omnipresent waa billahi towfiq
 

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I say illahay ha u naxaristo cause he is merely a man and no man did Allah create as perfect, at the end of the day we are all sinners and we All deserve the mercy of the most compassionate.

I love for others what i love for myself so why would i curse someone like abu talib? I dont know if i will die in a state of unbelief as a kaffir indeed the most merciful is the changer of hearts and i pray i die with my heart in the right place subservient to the all seeing the All hearing the omnipotent and the omnipresent waa billahi towfiq

Before you waste your time selling me how beautiful your heart is for allah, how your ibaada is the most important, how your tawhiid is untouchable, how shariah law must prevail. Before you sell me all this wonderful stories, orodo dhulkaga ilaasho, malin walbo ali salebaan ayaa ka barakicinayo. Manta timershe waxay ku jirta isku shuban, you want proof?

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefw...Som_Administrative_Map_Bari_Iskushuban_A3.pdf

You can't even protect your own land and your talking about how your some warrior for god, see why people dismiss you religious folks, you can't even do the basics of humanity like wash your ass and your talking about how your some BIG SHOT RELIGIOUS MAN.
 

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Before you waste your time selling me how beautiful your heart is for allah, how your ibaada is the most important, how your tawhiid is untouchable, how shariah law must prevail. Before you sell me all this wonderful stories, orodo dhulkaga ilaasho, malin walbo ali salebaan ayaa ka barakicinayo. Manta timershe waxay ku jirta isku shuban, you want proof?

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefw...Som_Administrative_Map_Bari_Iskushuban_A3.pdf

You can't even protect your own land and your talking about how your some warrior for god, see why people dismiss you religious folks, you can't even do the basics of humanity like wash your ass and your talking about how your some BIG SHOT RELIGIOUS MAN.
I have never said my heart is pure and how my tawhiid is untouchable.

Wallahi personally i think i am amongst the worst of Allah creation similar to abu lahab:wow:

If you would ask me where do you think you will end up heaven or hell? Unfortunately if i was to die now i think i would be goimg to the lowest level of hell al hawiyah may Allah save me from myself:jcoleno:
 

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Don't believe everything @Reer-Bari says this creature omce said dhulbhante are tge majority in garoowe:chrisfreshhah::russ::lolbron:

I work on facts not personalities or clan BS. Timirshe village is squarely in the zone of Isku Shuban. Here are the villages of Isku Shuban.

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefw...Som_Administrative_Map_Bari_Iskushuban_A3.pdf

You can clearly see @Reer-Bari has pushed beyond the Qandala border and put an Ali Saleban run village Timirshe right in Iskushuban. This means 'isku shuban' baanu wada degna in Ali Salebaan mind, no adeer your just one village, there is literally 1000 villages in Isku shuban, your only one village, do not get carried away is what I reply.

But the saviness and brutality of Ali Saleban must be strong or else how did he even get passed the Qandala Border? No wonder he is getting respect from other Maxamud Saleban. Even I am impressed as a Bah Dubays.
 

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I work on facts not personalities or clan BS. Timirshe village is squarely in the zone of Isku Shuban. Here are the villages of Isku Shuban.

https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefw...Som_Administrative_Map_Bari_Iskushuban_A3.pdf

You can clearly see @Reer-Bari has pushed beyond the Qandala border and put an Ali Saleban run village Timirshe right in Iskushuban. This means 'isku shuban' baanu wada degna in Ali Salebaan mind, no adeer your just one village, there is literally 1000 villages in Isku shuban, your only one village, do not get carried away is what I reply.

But the saviness and brutality of Ali Saleban must be strong or else how did he even get passed the Qandala Border? No wonder he is getting respect from other Maxamud Saleban. Even I am impressed as a Bah Dubays.
Why are you changing the subject :chrisfreshhah:


Guuul cali saleeban waa mujahideen boowe they also live in qardho:russ::lolbron:
 

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Why are you changing the subject :chrisfreshhah:


Guuul cali saleeban waa mujahideen boowe they also live in qardho:russ::lolbron:

You just said 'Guul Ali Salebaan'. You don't know FKD. Your not supposed to beat me, go beat the guy who took your land. I am stunned wallahi at this pathetic FKD. Kulaha guul dhulka wuu iga boobay, hence FKD is over, I just got u to admit your NAAG who can't defend his land.

Bah Dubays is like this in reaction
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Maybe we can prove now Bah Dirooble is not suitable for boqortoyo and it's Bah Dubays turn, I am sure the other osman mahmoud will look at how you just praised the guy who murked your land and say 'war waxani dhulkisa buu ilashan karin, tu kale yaan loogu darin kkkk'. Your helping Bah Dubays into Boqortoyo spot by praising the guy who murked you for land. What's next, you gonna praise Oromo settlements too naag yahow
 

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You just said 'Guul Ali Salebaan'. You don't know FKD. Your not supposed to beat me, go beat the guy who took your land. I am stunned wallahi at this pathetic FKD. Kulaha guul dhulka wuu iga boobay, hence FKD is over, I just got u to admit your NAAG who can't defend his land.

Bah Dubays is like this in reaction
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Maybe we can prove now Bah Dirooble is not suitable for boqortoyo and it's Bah Dubays turn, I am sure the other osman mahmoud will look at how you just praised the guy who murked your land and say 'war waxani dhulkisa buu ilashan karin, tu kale yaan loogu darin kkkk'. Your helping Bah Dubays into Boqortoyo spot by praising the guy who murked you for land. What's next, you gonna praise Oromo settlements too naag yahow
Boowe hadu illahay ku roon yahay cali saleeban have always been the leaders of cismaan maxamud and all somalis waa dhad tarikh dheer oo gob ah illahay ha dhaayo amiin

Cali saleeban are the leaders of bah dirooble and bah dubays:russ::lolbron:
 

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Well such is the case with oral history, much seeps away through generations. Where as written is as solid as the day it was written. Harti dont orally record that 300 of theirs went to adal, yet we know it happened. More over, the gadabursi clan of ethiopia are said to have vivid stories of ahmed gurey(the dir general who was the first somali contingent to reach harar) according to roblealwalid of somnet.
https://www.somnet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=376773
The marehan, reer imam nur also recollect imam nur ibn mujahid and trace direct lineage to him. There were many gerri generals in the book which im sure left prosterity. The western somalia somalis need to be researched family to family.

Lets carry on this interesting discussion. I disagree with the part you said, written history supercedes oral history. So just because information, dates, events, participants were written down make it more valuable then dates, events, information, and participants transmitted 'orally'? Why is that in your opinion? all we need in history is the events that took place, dates, participants and information don't we? If we source this orally or written, I don't see any difference in weight because the fill a time period in history to explain what was happening.

This can then be cross verified with artifacts, clothing, weaponry inheritance, other neighborhoods or stakeholders saying the same the exact account. Trust me oral history is paramount in Somalia, the Sayid Gabay are nowhere written down but stored in the collective conscious of the masses through poetry.

Since Somalis are poetic society to transmit information poetically is a mandatory feat, hence most of our history will be sourced poetically not 'written' if you want to get to the 'real' history because written knowledge wasn't very important to them, conveying information poetically showed you were highly intelligent to them. So the heart-land of Somalia history must be 'orally' what we can find written or other evidences such as building ages, trade artifacts, clothing types, religious information, lineage information, etc is helpful I would consider that SIDE evidence not my MAIN BODY of evidence of Somali history. I prefer the main body to follow the cultural norm of the society which is poetic and then to find supporting evidence for the oral history. Maybe our base-line to study Somali history is completely parallel to each other. You want to rush to books, I want to rush to oral history and then find supporting evidence for the oral history.

An example, you will never find a book mentioning the sayid praised my kingdom regiment in the war to protect majerteniya. It happened in Duudo Bari as we stopped the invading Darawish. He called the battle 'boqolkii duudow boqol loo waa'. You can take this bit of oral history and verify with neighbors in our area, other clans outside my clan, etc to understand this was a real event. Then we have New york post articles which provide written accounts of the other wars with the boqortoyo which can give you strong confidence this is a REAL fact. Somalis are not the type of make up things anyways which also helps, if they say something happened, it did happen, they tend to 'twist' it only to suit they're favor which hardly means the EVENT never occurred, it occurr, they just trying to make it appear they didn't LOSE or anything.
 
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Boowe hadu illahay ku roon yahay cali saleeban have always been the leaders of cismaan maxamud and all somalis waa dhad tarikh dheer oo gob ah illahay ha dhaayo amiin

Cali saleeban are the leaders of bah dirooble and bah dubays:russ::lolbron:

No-one is sitting on any ancient land of mine. Maybe prior to the persona non grata days, other then that, I haven't lost an inch of land to any clan.

When I come walking by, people know that im the BOSS. If I came to Bosaso and met this @Reer-Bari he will only meet my 'firm and fierce bah dubay side' because he is trying to insult my ancestors when he mentions Osman Mahmoud. Wallahi I will get us two books. Cities, Towns, Tuulos, Nomadic population and I want him to walk me thru qandala so I observe and I walk him thru osman mahmoud lands and the sheer land size difference will make him cry. Wallahi waxba lama hari lahayn ali salebaan
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If he would've said Bah Dirooble, I wouldn't get involved wallahi but he keeps repeating Osman Mahmoud, so we all gotta join in.
 

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@Cognitivedissonance I am busy with Issa Mahmoud who is far larger and stronger and packed up in miyiga and they're nomadic. Nothing like this merchant ass @Reer-Bari who became professional refugee 300 years ago cuz he kept getting his ass handed to him after every attack on bah dirooble.

Bah Dubays Is contending against this guy and his family.

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But Bah Dubays won't give up the fight in Nugaal.
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No-one is sitting on any ancient land of mine. Maybe prior to the persona non grata days, other then that, I haven't lost an inch of land to any clan.

When I come walking by, people know that im the BOSS. If I came to Bosaso and met this @Reer-Bari he will only meet my 'firm and fierce bah dubay side' because he is trying to insult my ancestors when he mentions Osman Mahmoud. Wallahi I will get us two books. Cities, Towns, Tuulos, Nomadic population and I want him to walk me thru qandala so I observe and I walk him thru osman mahmoud lands and the sheer land size difference will make him cry. Wallahi waxba lama hari lahayn ali salebaan
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If he would've said Bah Dirooble, I wouldn't get involved wallahi but he keeps repeating Osman Mahmoud, so we all gotta join in.
He hate you as much as he hates me boowe we are in the same even though you are from nugaal kkk

Boowe its a fact cali saleeban are the leaders of all cismaan mqxamud even bah dubeys pays cali saleeban loyalty money for protection since cali saleeban run PMF kkk
 

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@Cognitivedissonance I am busy with Issa Mahmoud who is far larger and stronger and packed up in miyiga and they're nomadic. Nothing like this merchant ass @Reer-Bari who became professional refugee 300 years ago cuz he kept getting his ass handed to him after every attack on bah dirooble.

Bah Dubays Is contending against this guy and his family.

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But Bah Dubays won't give up the fight in Nugaal.
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Faroole iyo ciise maxamud waa gob masha Allah waa laandheere illahay ha dhaayo amiin the leaders of puntland
 

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He hate you as much as he hates me boowe we are in the same even though you are from nugaal kkk

Boowe its a fact cali saleeban are the leaders of all cismaan mqxamud even bah dubeys pays cali saleeban loyalty money for protection since cali saleeban run PMF kkk

I've never heard in any family history my clan had any beef with Ali Salebaan, why do I have to wear the sins of Bah Dirooble? I hate this @Reer-Bari he is stupid, I ain't done shit to you waryaa or your clans-men. Bah Dirooble vs Ali Salebaan ka dhiga sheekada, stop saying osman mahmoud cause that name is apart of my abtiris and will require I stand up
 

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I've never heard in any family history my clan had any beef with Ali Salebaan, why do I have to wear the sins of Bah Dirooble? I hate this @Reer-Bari he is stupid, I ain't done shit to you waryaa or your clans-men. Bah Dirooble vs Ali Salebaan ka dhiga sheekada, stop saying osman mahmoud cause that name is apart of my abtiris and will require I stand up
@Reer-Bari told me the reason bah dubays left bari was cause cali saleeban invaded their land in bari and bah dubays had to flee to nugaal
:lolbron::russ:
 
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