Othering / Ajnabis dictating our identity

[Riftvalley]

Somalis helped set up the first mosques in the UK. Somalis were fighting racists in the 1920s. Never forget Somalis predate many African communities in the UK.

Reason why cadaans get along with Yardies than Somalis: Christianity, hip hop privileges, and 400 years of British slavery. Even then, the yardies have little to show for their assimilation and they have been surpassed in education and jobs by Asians. Yardies have to now marry west Africans in order that they do not become extinct as so many of them married white women in the last 40 years.

There is actually merits to mass group networking like Somalis in Minneapolis. Those Arabs and Indians in the Uk are filthy rich whilst largely living within their own communities and doing business with each other. Who cares if some cadaans buy drugs from yardies and listen to reggae with them. It won’t make you rich lol.

 

[Lightshow]

Yep it's a very weird phenomenon and in the UK they can't keep their mouths shut about us. The Black (specifically carribean) people in the UK try so hard to throw all the hate onto Muslim groups (including us) through their shared Christianity and history despite them being Black but it'll never work as you can see with the the Notting Hill parade discourse going on around social media they will never like anyone non white not even that non western Europeans bc they don’t even like eastern Europeans

Very weird as Somalis are a very small population in the UK and diaspora in general.

 

[Sigmundd]

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[Sophisticate]

What does assimilation mean? Cultural genocide.

Where are the native Britons? They do not seem to speak Welsh, Cornish, or Breton. The Normans and Saxons pushed assimilation upon them through the use of force. While the crown kept them under its heel for centuries.

They are the ones who need self-emancipation and a class revolution instead of focusing on minorities. The call is coming from inside the house. They are being oppressed by their own. I really think many of them suffer from transgenerational fears of conquest that come from their ancestral trauma. Brutal colonialism started in-house by other Europeans who saw them as the "Other."

Britishness is an imperial project. Imagine being forbidden to speak your own language, engage in your customs, and wear your own dress. That is what happened to the Scots, Welsh, and Irish. And yet they think Somalis want to be part of that? lol.

 

[Reformedlaais]

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ciil. But yea im a PNW Somali and I noticed the weird dynamics between Somalis and other black groups in Europe

Grown man btw

 

[Soul Kaizer]

No way cadaan ppl using b0malian

First it was zoo no this? How many self inflicted slurs are Somalis going to do?

 

[Jimmy Hopkins]

No way cadaan ppl using b0malian

First it was zoo no this? How many self inflicted slurs are Somalis going to do?

what does "b0malian" even mean?

strange people indeed.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

what does "b0malian" even mean?

strange people indeed.

Idk but I see it mainly on twitter

 

[nagnool00]

No way cadaan ppl using b0malian

First it was zoo no this? How many self inflicted slurs are Somalis going to do?

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[Gracias]

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This is one of the racists that uses this term btw. Whenever you wonder who’s behind these accounts always remember it’s some obese neckbeard or a social outcast who does nothing but constantly seethe online

During his career as a self-described “far-right hate blogger”, Morgoth has gone to great lengths to keep his identity a secret, and only rarely divulged personal details in his online output. His former neighbours recalled a man who lived a reclusive existence.

 

[Jimmy Hopkins]

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[reggie]

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[Lightshow]

No way cadaan ppl using b0malian

First it was zoo no this? How many self inflicted slurs are Somalis going to do?

Easy to side step this one. We were never "Somalians". That label is a misnomer and should be rejected wholesale. We are Somalis.

So let them keep "Somalian" and "Bowmalian" while they are at it.

 

[Stimpy]

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[Abaq]

At the end of the day, you're not wanted and never will be. We can either accept this fact and think of solutions of surviving where we belong (the Horn) or we can keep moaning.

 

[samira24]

Somalis helped set up the first mosques in the UK. Somalis were fighting racists in the 1920s. Never forget Somalis predate many African communities in the UK.

Reason why cadaans get along with Yardies than Somalis: Christianity, hip hop privileges, and 400 years of British slavery. Even then, the yardies have little to show for their assimilation and they have been surpassed in education and jobs by Asians. Yardies have to now marry west Africans in order that they do not become extinct as so many of them married white women in the last 40 years.

There is actually merits to mass group networking like Somalis in Minneapolis. Those Arabs and Indians in the Uk are filthy rich whilst largely living within their own communities and doing business with each other. Who cares if some cadaans buy drugs from yardies and listen to reggae with them. It won’t make you rich lol.

"Hip hop privileges"? Lol. Hip hop wasn't created in Jamaica, Black Americans invented hip hop not Jamaicans. I saw a video recently on tiktok were Black Americans were getting triggered by Jamaicans thinking they have anything to do with hip hop and put the Jamaicans in their place.

 

[Riftvalley]

"Hip hop privileges"? Lol. Hip hop wasn't created in Jamaica, Black Americans invented hip hop not Jamaicans. I saw a video recently on tiktok were Black Americans were getting triggered by Jamaicans thinking they have anything to do with hip hop and put the Jamaicans in their place.

The association of western blacks with hip hop by whites still gave them a certain level of street/ playground privilege especially after the golden era of hip hop in the 90s. They also look like Aa unlike Somali men.

Biggy was of Jamaican descent so was slick Rick as well as a few other major rappers. Jamaicans became infamous and respected following Jamaicans gangsters dominating the prison scene of the America in the 80s. The island also produced reggae.

The Jamaicans in the UK contributed to uk white working class cultures such as skinhead fashion dress and various genres of music such as drum n bass, jungle, and later garage music, grime music and UK rap. They also benefited from representing Uk in football and athletics before other immigrants.

When you add Christianity and the fact that the British colonised them for so long, it does not take a genius to work out white British have more of an affinity with them,

 

[samira24]

The association of western blacks with hip hop by whites still gave them a certain level of street/ playground privilege especially after the golden era of hip hop in the 90s. They also look like Aa unlike Somali men.

Biggy was of Jamaican descent so was slick Rick as well as a few other major rappers. Jamaicans became infamous and respected following Jamaicans gangsters dominating the prison scene of the America in the 80s. The island also produced reggae.

The Jamaicans in the UK contributed to uk white working class cultures such as skinhead fashion dress and various genres of music such as drum n bass, jungle, and later garage music, grime music and UK rap. They also benefited from representing Uk in football and athletics before other immigrants.

When you add Christianity and the fact that the British colonised them for so long, it does not take a genius to work out white British have more of an affinity with them,

Honestly, the way you're going out of your way to hype up Jamaicans makes me question if you're even Somali, you sound more like someone defending their own background than giving an objective take .

Let’s get something straight hip hop is African American culture, full stop. It came out of the lived experiences of Black Americans in the U.S., not from Jamaica. Just because a couple of rappers had Jamaican roots doesn’t mean Jamaicans created or defined hip hop. If that logic held, then we’d have to credit everyone with ancestry in hip hop, including white artists like Eminem and Beastie Boys and we both know that doesn’t fly, even though Eminem and Beastie Boys are legendary and played major roles in hip hop’s mainstream success and cultural expansion. Having Jamaican heritage doesn’t make someone a Jamaican rapper or turn hip hop into Jamaican culture. They were guests in a space built by African Americans.

Also, the whole idea that Jamaicans earned "respect" because of dominance in the prison system is wild. That’s not respect that’s a stereotype. And trying to turn criminal presence into cultural capital is honestly backwards.

Just because Jamaicans were part of the earlier Black presence in the UK doesn’t automatically mean white Brits feel more affinity with them. That has more to do with familiarity than any actual deeper connection. It’s about who was visible in music, sports, and the media earlier. That doesn’t make them more respected, just more known.

You’re trying to spin cultural visibility into superiority, but that doesn’t hold up. Somalis, and plenty of other Africans, bring different strengths and contributions. Just because they didn’t come through the UK music or street scene doesn’t make them less influential. That sounds like your personal bias talking more than anything rooted in facts.

So again, if you’re Somali, cool, but the way you're riding for Jamaicans like it’s your job makes me doubt it. Either way, your argument doesn’t hold.

 

[Riftvalley]

Honestly, the way you're going out of your way to hype up Jamaicans makes me question if you're even Somali,

Ah yes, the usual Somalispot weirdo flex of questioning one’s sonalinimo the moment someone has a differing opinions to yours. People’s notion of somalinimo is so fragile on this forum, one single comment or opinion is enough to question my 5000 year old lineage. Yeah, let’s ignore the contribution I make to this forum especially in the history section because little Samira thinks I am a Jamaican wasting his time researching Somali history. Great logic! Mi nah ramp wit ya idiat logic wahm rahtid.
What I sound like is subjective. You jumped on one comment and continue to misquote, misunderstand and purposely seek to steer this debate in a place it needs to not go.

Let’s get something straight hip hop is African American culture, full stop.

Well done!. Thanks for the education. Never knew that.

It came out of the lived experiences of Black Americans in the U.S., not from Jamaica.

Who said otherwise? I meant that Jamaicans in the Uk were somewhat associated with hip hop “coolness” which was created by their cousins. They also created other music genres such as reggae, drum n bass, garage. Jamaicans contributed to fashion styles such as skin head clothing. You’re just too ignorant to understand that I can imply they benefit from being associated with that culture and other western black cultures without me implying they created it.

Just because a couple of rappers had Jamaican roots doesn’t mean Jamaicans created or defined hip hop.

Again, even a child can go back into this thread and you won’t find me saying that they created it.

If that logic held, then we’d have to credit everyone with ancestry in hip hop, including white artists like Eminem and Beastie Boys and we both know that doesn’t fly, even though Eminem and Beastie Boys are legendary and played major roles in hip hop’s mainstream success and cultural expansion. Having Jamaican heritage doesn’t make someone a Jamaican rapper or turn hip hop into Jamaican culture. They were guests in a space built by African Americans.

Please, miss with all that nonsense about spaces as if you’re Tariq Nasheed. lol. Once again, I never said they created it nor did I say Hip Hop was Jamaican culture. I said that the association of western black slave descendants with rap and athleticism made them seem more cool, desirable to some white sub cultures. I also said their proximity to whiteness through Christianity and English language made some whites in the UK have more of an affinity with them. You have purposely and disingenuously misquoted my comments to Turn them into something else.

Also, the whole idea that Jamaicans earned "respect" because of dominance in the prison system is wild. That’s not respect that’s a stereotype. And trying to turn criminal presence into cultural capital is honestly backwards.

The culture of hip hop music especially that of gangster rap gangster music was heavily intertwined with prison and street culture. Whether this association is backwards or not, is besides the point. You will find many references to Jamaicans in gangster rap due to their reputation in prison and streets of New York in the 80s and prominent rappers being of Jamaican descent. Yes, this does and did have a social currency when hip hop became the dominant music in poor areas across the west and some whites believing Jamaicans as having proximity to that. Somalis mostly came at a time of rising Islamophobia and negative press about famine and black hawk down. I am describing social phenomena while you are interested in making character judgements.

Just because Jamaicans were part of the earlier Black presence in the UK doesn’t automatically mean white Brits feel more affinity with them.

I think some segments of white British society do have more of an affinity to Christian black Caribbeans, but what I never said is that this makes them superior to Somalis. That is just my opinion. If you believe otherwise this is normal . It does mean you have to question my somalinimo or come up with conspiracy theories.

That has more to do with familiarity than any actual deeper connection. It’s about who was visible in music, sports, and the media earlier. That doesn’t make them more respected, just more known.

If you read my first post I wrote that I didn’t not necessarily believe that Jamaicans having proximity to white people or having affinity with them was completely a good thing. I wrote that I prefer Somalis to be like Arabs or Indians as opposed to adopting the Jamaican model in the UK.

You’re trying to spin cultural visibility into superiority, but that doesn’t hold up.

Lol. Show me one quote or even word where I implied anything about superiority. You’re a bad faith actor and bold faced liar at that.

Somalis, and plenty of other Africans, bring different strengths and contributions. Just because they didn’t come through the UK music or street scene doesn’t make them less influential. That sounds like your personal bias talking more than anything rooted in facts.

Somalis bring their own contributions to the UK; however, we simply have not been as influential or as visible in British culture (in politics, tv, sports, fashion etc). Again, this doesn’t imply group superiority or “riding” for them.

So again, if you’re Somali, cool, but the way you're riding for Jamaicans like it’s your job makes me doubt it. Either way, your argument doesn’t hold.

I don’t need you to validate my somalinimo. Who cares what you doubt. No one “rode” for Jamaicans. This only happens in your imagination which is extremely childish, binary and bordering upon being a member of the mentally unstable fraternity. You need to chill out and take time to read the inferences people are making. When someone writes Jamaicans benefited from “hip hop privileges”, it does not mean I think they created hip hop. You need to learn to stop taking everything literally and fighting ghosts.

 

[LacagChaser]

Religion is a big reason as to why we are segregated from other blacks/africans. Fully Islam + East African phenotype = hate. There’s a reason Senegal doesn’t receive as much hate even though they sold their own as slaves. Ethiopia has Christianity protecting them because you rarely here about people complain about the high proportion of sexual crimes they commit.

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