Honestly, the way you're going out of your way to hype up Jamaicans makes me question if you're even Somali,
Ah yes, the usual Somalispot weirdo flex of questioning one’s sonalinimo the moment someone has a differing opinions to yours. People’s notion of somalinimo is so fragile on this forum, one single comment or opinion is enough to question my 5000 year old lineage. Yeah, let’s ignore the contribution I make to this forum especially in the history section because little Samira thinks I am a Jamaican wasting his time researching Somali history. Great logic! Mi nah ramp wit ya idiat logic wahm rahtid.
What I sound like is subjective. You jumped on one comment and continue to misquote, misunderstand and purposely seek to steer this debate in a place it needs to not go.
Let’s get something straight hip hop is African American culture, full stop.
Well done!. Thanks for the education. Never knew that.
It came out of the lived experiences of Black Americans in the U.S., not from Jamaica.
Who said otherwise? I meant that Jamaicans in the Uk were somewhat associated with hip hop “coolness” which was created by their cousins. They also created other music genres such as reggae, drum n bass, garage. Jamaicans contributed to fashion styles such as skin head clothing. You’re just too ignorant to understand that I can imply they benefit from being associated with that culture and other western black cultures without me implying they created it.
Just because a couple of rappers had Jamaican roots doesn’t mean Jamaicans created or defined hip hop.
Again, even a child can go back into this thread and you won’t find me saying that they created it.
If that logic held, then we’d have to credit everyone with ancestry in hip hop, including white artists like Eminem and Beastie Boys and we both know that doesn’t fly, even though Eminem and Beastie Boys are legendary and played major roles in hip hop’s mainstream success and cultural expansion. Having Jamaican heritage doesn’t make someone a Jamaican rapper or turn hip hop into Jamaican culture. They were guests in a space built by African Americans.
Please, miss with all that nonsense about spaces as if you’re Tariq Nasheed. lol. Once again, I never said they created it nor did I say Hip Hop was Jamaican culture. I said that the association of western black slave descendants with rap and athleticism made them seem more cool, desirable to some white sub cultures. I also said their proximity to whiteness through Christianity and English language made some whites in the UK have more of an affinity with them. You have purposely and disingenuously misquoted my comments to Turn them into something else.
Also, the whole idea that Jamaicans earned "respect" because of dominance in the prison system is wild. That’s not respect that’s a stereotype. And trying to turn criminal presence into cultural capital is honestly backwards.
The culture of hip hop music especially that of gangster rap gangster music was heavily intertwined with prison and street culture. Whether this association is backwards or not, is besides the point. You will find many references to Jamaicans in gangster rap due to their reputation in prison and streets of New York in the 80s and prominent rappers being of Jamaican descent. Yes, this does and did have a social currency when hip hop became the dominant music in poor areas across the west and some whites believing Jamaicans as having proximity to that. Somalis mostly came at a time of rising Islamophobia and negative press about famine and black hawk down. I am describing social phenomena while you are interested in making character judgements.
Just because Jamaicans were part of the earlier Black presence in the UK doesn’t automatically mean white Brits feel more affinity with them.
I think some segments of white British society do have more of an affinity to Christian black Caribbeans, but what I never said is that this makes them superior to Somalis. That is just my opinion. If you believe otherwise this is normal . It does mean you have to question my somalinimo or come up with conspiracy theories.
That has more to do with familiarity than any actual deeper connection. It’s about who was visible in music, sports, and the media earlier. That doesn’t make them more respected, just more known.
If you read my first post I wrote that I didn’t not necessarily believe that Jamaicans having proximity to white people or having affinity with them was completely a good thing. I wrote that I prefer Somalis to be like Arabs or Indians as opposed to adopting the Jamaican model in the UK.
You’re trying to spin cultural visibility into superiority, but that doesn’t hold up.
Lol. Show me one quote or even word where I implied anything about superiority. You’re a bad faith actor and bold faced liar at that.
Somalis, and plenty of other Africans, bring different strengths and contributions. Just because they didn’t come through the UK music or street scene doesn’t make them less influential. That sounds like your personal bias talking more than anything rooted in facts.
Somalis bring their own contributions to the UK; however, we simply have not been as influential or as visible in British culture (in politics, tv, sports, fashion etc). Again, this doesn’t imply group superiority or “riding” for them.
So again, if you’re Somali, cool, but the way you're riding for Jamaicans like it’s your job makes me doubt it. Either way, your argument doesn’t hold.
I don’t need you to validate my somalinimo. Who cares what you doubt. No one “rode” for Jamaicans. This only happens in your imagination which is extremely childish, binary and bordering upon being a member of the mentally unstable fraternity. You need to chill out and take time to read the inferences people are making. When someone writes Jamaicans benefited from “hip hop privileges”, it does not mean I think they created hip hop. You need to learn to stop taking everything literally and fighting ghosts.
