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[DeadStar]

Actually, no. Humans are shockingly selfless when it comes to their kin and their community (which historically was synonymous with kin). That's a direct evolutionary adaptation.

Humans are by nature selfish people who only care about themselves it is human nature to want,to control and to destroy.

Ok u two are two complete opposite of the sympathy spectrum(whatever the f*ck that means).
@DaMan is a good human being who still believes in the humanity of humans while @Somaliweyne Unionist is a guy who is enslaved by his own mind and thinks that the world is out to get him. Both of u lack balance in what u believe about humanity and people but tbh I’d rather be the first than the second.

 

[DaMan]

You have a very childish view. I suggest you grow up before life deals you a cruel blow.

The irony. I'm stating facts. If your ancestors had your mentality you wouldn't exist.

 

[landheer]

The irony. I'm stating facts. If your ancestors had your mentality you wouldn't exist.

"Morality is just a fiction used by the herd of inferior human beings to hold back the few superior men" Friedrich Nietzsche
I view this as When you see someone superior growing, the superior becomes unstoppable and the inferior starts feeling more inferior. The inferior gets into jealousy mode and would want to hide superiors achievement by holding superior wrong ..As morality is subjective and can easily be misused,it is used as an easy shield to cover ones inferiority and pull a superior person's achievement down to achieve sadistic pleasure.

You can be chained down by your morality for all I care.I have tried to enlighten you but you don't listen.

 

[DaMan]

Ok u two are two complete opposite of the sympathy spectrum(whatever the f*ck that means).
@DaMan is a good human being who still believes in the humanity of humans while @Somaliweyne Unionist is a guy who is enslaved by his own mind and thinks that the world is out to get him. Both of u lack balance in what u believe about humanity and people but tbh I’d rather be the first than the second.

You're painting me out to be some naive idealist. That couldn't be farther from the truth waryaa. I'm probably more cynical than buddy which is why I think it's important to have principles.

 

[DaMan]

"Morality is just a fiction used by the herd of inferior human beings to hold back the few superior men" Friedrich Nietzsche
I view this as When you see someone superior growing, the superior becomes unstoppable and the inferior starts feeling more inferior. The inferior gets into jealousy mode and would want to hide superiors achievement by holding superior wrong ..As morality is subjective and can easily be misused,it is used as an easy shield to cover ones inferiority and pull a superior person's achievement down to achieve sadistic pleasure.

You can be chained down by your morality for all I care.I have tried to enlighten you but you don't listen.

Nietzche was a fucking dork pontificating on the sidelines. Very quotable though.

 

[landheer]

Nietzche was a fucking dork pontificating on the sidelines. Very quotable though.

Whatever your views on him I hold him in very high esteem but anyway Morality is a defense of the unsuccessful against the successful.You can not be successful and 'morally conscious'.

 

[DaMan]

Whatever your views on him I hold him in very high esteem but anyway Morality is a defense of the unsuccessful against the successful.You can not be successful and 'morally conscious'.

Nietzche by his own standards was an absolute fucking loser and the furthest thing from a superior man. His writings are basicaly his impotent fantasies. Total degenerate full of resentment.

Morality is how humans function as a group. A man without morals is utterly deficient and a liability. They invented capital punishment for people like that. The clever, conniving, cunning ones can fly under the radar, sure. If that's you're highest aim in life then by all means go ahead. Some life.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DaMan a man advocating for self interest while maintaining morality and community well being for his kids and others now and in the future, doesn't want to hand his generation a worse world then that was given to him. @Somaliweyne Unionist advocating for Machiavellian, keep it about yourself, any means(no morals) justifies the end. Promotes the world is a cruel place and you need to adapt to survive and the future isn't your problem.

Who will win between the Two?

 

[landheer]

Nietzche by his own standards was an absolute fucking loser and the furthest thing from a superior man. His writings are basicaly his impotent fantasies. Total degenerate full of resentment.

Morality is how humans function as a group. A man without morals is utterly deficient and a liability. They invented capital punishment for people like that. The clever, conniving, cunning ones can fly under the radar, sure. If that's you're highest aim in life then by all means go ahead. Some life.

Let me give you a piece of advice child, if you allow yourself to be bound by the shackles of morality then you are a sheep just like the rest of them,then you are like the inferior man who is too apathetic to transcend the intrinsically meaningless universe he has only the the weapon of contrived morality to subjugate the superior man who has achieved that ability(out of fear)

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DaMan a man advocating for self interest while maintaining morality and community well being for his kids and others now and in the future, doesn't want to hand his generation a worse world then that was given to him. @Somaliweyne Unionist advocating for Machiavellian, keep it about yourself, any means(no morals) justifies the end. Promotes the world is a cruel place and you need to adapt to survive and the future isn't your problem.

Who will win between the Two?

@DaMan if given 10 millions will settle for taking half and dumping the other half if it's going to make the world a better place for his kids and descendants, feels obligated to give the future a good start and not pass on the same thing over n over again. @Somaliweyne Unionist will spend all that money on buying the biggest mansion on the palace and herself and say I don't care what world the future inherits, which can lead to her descendants being slaves or raped and so forth as morals of society has become like that in the future, no impact on the future but only the present, noone progresses in her thinking we would still be in caves. If she walked into the world that way, she wouldnt be in the west today and wud be in a refugee camp as there is no morals.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DaMan I am not 100% certain about machiavellian approach anymore, i've heard the moral people arguments and it's very strong also. ppl mistake morals as weakness, It's not about being weak or strong as nature doesn't really care, the question is do u want your kids entering a world where rape is the norm, killing is the norm, stealing is the norm, watching ppl and hunting them down for food is the norm? Where your mother can be just snatched and there is no police to stop it or laws?

Machiavellian principles basically creates those conditions in the future as the collective is over-ridden by the individualistic and we will keep handing a worse world continuously over n over, with no progress as society in large, someone needs to break the CYCLE and that's when a Moral person stands up I guess and where a Machivellian won't.

 

[DaMan]

@DaMan I am not 100% certain about machiavellian approach anymore, i've heard the moral people arguments and it's very strong also.

Nothing wrong with the machiavellian approach. It's a method. Means vs ends. If you value the ends enough then the means don't matter if I'm not mistaken.

 

[landheer]

@DR OSMAN morality only exists as a social construct, the same way that “misdemeanor” or “marriage” exists.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Nothing wrong with the machiavellian approach. It's a method. Means vs ends. If you value the ends enough then the means don't matter if I'm not mistaken.

There is a place n time for Machivellian, yes among OTHER Machiavellians and beating them at their own game, but there is a time also to step back and listen to a moral person as this guy is clearly not about himself and proves it with his actions, time, wealth, etc and it's solely about what world do we want to live in or give to our children. Is it fair ur child enters a world that was worse then the one that was given to you? these areas Machiavellian don't answer and their is no bust of Machiavelli in white house!!! Machiavellian is only about the present, he won't be the last names when the earth is rolled up as his objectives are measured in his life-time only, no contribution towards the future as they didn't even impact on them or have them look back in 500 years and say DAMN if it wasn't for that guy we wouldn't be where we are today.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN morality only exists as a social construct, the same way that “misdemeanor” or “marriage” exists.

I am not sure about that. Morality exists even in animals.

 

[DaMan]

I was once an edgy, moral relativist, too.

There is a place n time for Machivellian, yes among OTHER Machiavellians and beating them at their own game, but there is a time also to step back and listen to a moral person as this guy is clearly not about himself and proves it with his actions, time, wealth, etc and it's solely about what world do we want to live in or give to our children. Is it fair ur child enters a world that was worse then the one that was given to you? these areas Machiavellian don't answer and their is no bust of Machiavelli in white house!!!

If you care enough about your children's future then you'd be willing to do whatever is required in furtherance of that even if it means being treacherous. Macchavileanism is a tool, basically.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Nothing wrong with the machiavellian approach. It's a method. Means vs ends. If you value the ends enough then the means don't matter if I'm not mistaken.

Anyone can play the game of deception sxb, it's not hard at all. But not everyone can claim they will be mentioned in 500 years time and have busts of themselves in the white house or mount rushmore as that clearly needs someone to think at a vastly different level where he crosses TIME and Generations with his contribution.

 

[DaMan]

Anyone can play the game of deception sxb, it's not hard at all. But not everyone can claim they will be mentioned in 500 years time and have busts of themselves in the white house or mount rushmore as that clearly needs someone to think at a vastly different level where he crosses TIME and Generations with his contribution.

That's the thing. You wouldn't know if somebody is being Machiavellian if they're doing it right...

 

[landheer]

I am not sure about that. Morality exists even in animals.

Morality is just an opinion, and serves a particular utilitarian need. The same can be said of "human value" or "human rights". These are just popularized ideas of how to think about life.
You are not obligated to think about life in a particular way, or apply the beliefs of one system of philosophy or spirituality instead of another. If you do choose a popular conceptualization, you are furthermore not obligated to apply it as it is popularly understood.

 

[DaMan]

Morality is just an opinion, and serves a particular utilitarian need. The same can be said of "human value" or "human rights". These are just popularized ideas of how to think about life.
You are not obligated to think about life in a particular way, or apply the beliefs of one system of philosophy or spirituality instead of another. If you do choose a popular conceptualization, you are furthermore not obligated to apply it as it is popularly understood.

Would you kill a random person for 50 grand if you could get away with it? You have no idea who they are except for the fact that it's not anybody you know directly.