So does Xeer and Taal
Only children born to two Somali parents are full Somali
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The alchemist
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There is no concept of being half-caste in Somali culture through having a foreign non-Somali mother, you guys come off as people that have no understanding of the Somali tradition. If your father is Somali then you are Somali. You can't have a patrilineal society and then disregard the very nature of it when it suits you because of new-contrived ethno-genetic centrism. There is a reason why our mtDNA is highly diversified. End of.
No only your full Somali if your father is Somali.
The funny thing is half-Somalis don't actually claim they are 100% Somali so this conversation is nonsensical. They are also referred to as iska dhaal (mixed). You can visibly see that other than the odd case where they favour their Somali side (which is rare outside of HOA groups). Somalis crack me up about some erasure. That isn't going to happen. Most of us marry within. Those that marry out are few and mostly mind their business and no one outside the dark corners of the internet bothers them. 
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The other side they're mixed with whether its white, asian, arab will never accept them so they have no other choice embracing their african side. If they were fully accepted by the other half they'd never mention our community because of their self hate issues. I've seen plently of them especially the ones mixed with white have deep issues with their african heritage.
By nationality not ethnically. They are the same as somali bantus
Some Somali men need to hear this. They all think they can get with ajanabi women and that their children will be Somali. Being Somali is more than just having a Somali father. You need to look like a Somali aesthetically. Being half of anything else won't make you aesthetically Somali. Also, what a Somali hooyo brings to the table is so huge in comparison to an aabo so your child is really missing out.
Good, you found the Article. At first, it was an addendum in the Constitution for the reason of settling the question of Somalis in occupied territories incl. Somali Galbeed, NFD, and Jibuti, where the intent was any person in, or being born in any of the said territories, of Somali father, was a citizen of Somali republic. One could work, live, and even hold a government position. The same was intended to apply to the said territories, but that never materialised, for we could not hold on to the Republic.
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Itβs a lot more complicated than that though. People like the Banadiri community wouldnβt be seen as Somali if Somalis followed their strict tradition of only seeing kids of Somali fathers as Somali. Itβs human nature to flip flop. People are rarely as strict with what constitutes what. Also, words such as βIska dhaalβ menaing mixed race wouldnβt exist if people had a strict black/white notion of Somali/no Somali based on which parent is Somali. Hence the concept of βhalf casteβ does in fact exists, we have a word for it.
Youβre digging yourself a hole. So a Somali girl can marry an ajnabi, live in Somalia and as years go by her offspring would be legitimately recognized as Somali. Youβre not following your strict ruling. Itβs a joke.
Banadirs donβt even have one single origin and have various clan of different origin. One thing is a fact, theyβre only maternally ethnic Somali.
You canβt pick and chose when to follow your rulings and then scream about European values.
At the end of the day both mixed kids of Somali men and women donβt even claim full Somali. The only ones that fully claim their Somalinimo are Somali kids of both Somali men and women.
Not quite a flip flop pe se, but an exemption being made for peoples, who do not belong to the bigger Somali umbrella, but Somalis nonetheless.
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Oh by the way, 'Iska dhal' means of the same family, describing someone whose parents are of the same lineage, and not of mixed parentage. The correct term is 'muwallad', borrowed from Arabic.
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Nope, we also use that term for mixed people. Iβve heard my parents use that a lot for people of different backgrounds.
Words can be used in differently depending on context. Clearly this is mainstream and not just my family as even @Sophisticate mentioned the same thing and weβre from different clans, different regions and currently different parts of the world.
Somalis do indeed use the word Iska dhaal for being mixed as well.
I do not think it is laziness per se, but lack of familiarity. 'S(he) is a foreigner, so be it' sort of mindset. There is a reason there are words like:
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In the colonial days, I read children of obe Italian parentage were called 'Mizzione*', or something along those line (will have to check).
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The root of the word is: cross-breeding, say in horses as is the case with 'baqal - mare', it is neither a horse, nor a donkey, ergo a 'iska dhal'. Put it differently, 'ku kale ka dhal'. In their lack of literary aptitude, reer city folks are visiting ruination upon the language. The same applies to the word 'Haldhaa', the male ostrich, but it has, in recent times, been incorrectly designed to mean the female insofar as nicknaming a female singer. You get the gist. I do not disagree it might have been designated a different meaning.
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Lol, if it were a democracy Iβd vote against him. My ethnic minority brethrens might not be safe. Heβs a Somali equivalent of a Nazi.
Rather laughable considering he probably has a foreign passport and expects the country he resides in to treat him the same as the natives.
Iβll never understand people like that.
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Haha. The way you present your cases is funny to me. You argue like a [Insert: Check Spolier]. I'm actually laughing.
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Obviously, thatβs just logic.
