No end to sanctions. Time to manufacture our own arms

[tyrannicalmanager]

This isn't 1800 or 1900s. All that happened b4 globalism and mass media. & dervish were armed by the Italians and were not trying to make a nation. Best chance was 1960

dude stop believing british sources as the holly scripture.
the dervish got weapons from germany and the ottoman empire, there foreign advisor was a ottoman turk.

 

[Ras]

Somalia operates by "Hunguuri" you can literally bribe people to act normal, then you can force the caadi/normal agenda by teaching their kids how to act normal, and forcing the police to enforce the normality rules. But you have to sneak it in.

The only problem is somalis just bribe others to act crazy and commit crimes, Im just flipping our current system and using it to make Somalia better. That's Farmaajos tactic lol, I see what he's doing on the low.

You can bring Jobs to Somalia quite easily, all you gotta do is give jobs to the individuals who would otherwise be tools for criminal gangs/ al shabaab. But... Who am I but a normal person.

But I do think certain regions are better/civilized then others, its up to the diaspora to make their respective regions a normal fucking place.

Would be hard to generate jobs when there's no rule of law for businesses.

You'll get taxed at both ends by FGZ and AS or some other clan militia.

Everything will be overpriced because of a lack of economies of scale since none would want to build large factories there.

Greedy enemies or even clan members would use the corrupt local government to take you over or shut you down.

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One peaceful alternative option is give away a special administration zone to another sovereign ally who could circumvent the sanctions legally since the land wouldn't be part of Somalia temporarily.

In return they get taxes and we'll have a secure zone to invest in.

Surrounding areas would become more valuable and the businesses located there would have an incentive to fund security themselves.

Would be a lot easier with a modern military just next door to help with intelligence.

Once there are enough Somali millionaires they'll pressure the government to enforce rule of law to secure their assets like it's being done in the rest of the world.

If you left it to the politicians in the West it'll soon revert back to the dark ages if it granted them more power.

It's the corporations and the rich elites that are keeping them in check.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Lifting the arms embargo from the FGS will immediately lead to civil war. It would upset the balance of power that has been achieved between the clans. The SNA is a clan militia and deserves to be treated like what it is. Until the FGS manages to staff the SNA, and distributes it over bases all across the country, the embargo should no be lifted.

 

[Ras]

Lifting the arms embargo from the FGS will immediately lead to civil war. It would upset the balance of power that has been achieved between the clans. The SNA is a clan militia and deserves to be treated like what it is. Until the FGS manages to staff the SNA, and distributes it over bases all across the country, the embargo should no be lifted.

SNA is a clan militia because that's all FGS is able to convince to join them.

It's like the chicken and egg problem.


No one would join them unless they have a better chance and they won't have one without others joining them.

Heavy weapons would change the equation.

I don't want a balance. Let a single faction come out as the ultimate winner. I don't care if it's a clan rival to mine. Whoever in charge would make the right decision if they want to keep a hold onto power.

You would assume that giving FGS better weapons would lead to single clan monopolizing those weapons right?

In reality what's most likely to happen is the leadership realizing they have a chance at ruling all of Somalia with this opportunity so would balance out the clans in SNA. Only way they'll have a mandate over the whole country.

Right now they have no incentives or the leverage to deal with a multiparty SNA.

Sooner or later the power would go from the winning clan to it's leadership and finally to the elites in the new government from all the country.

You first give them the chicken and the egg will come in time.

Sounds complicated but it's really simple once you think like you're in their shoes.

 

[FBIsomalia]

SNA is a clan militia because that's all FGS is able to convince to join them.

It's like the chicken and egg problem.


No one would join them unless they have a better chance and they won't have one without others joining them.

Heavy weapons would change the equation.

I don't want a balance. Let a single faction come out as the ultimate winner. I don't care if it's a clan rival to mine. Whoever in charge would make the right decision if they want to keep a hold onto power.

You would assume that giving FGS better weapons would lead to single clan monopolizing those weapons right?

In reality what's most likely to happen is the leadership realizing they have a chance at ruling all of Somalia with this opportunity so would balance out the clans in SNA. Only way they'll have a mandate over the whole country.

Right now they have no incentives or the leverage to deal with a multiparty SNA.

Sooner or later the power would go from the winning clan to it's leadership and finally to the elites in the new government from all the country.

You first give them the chicken and the egg will come in time.

Sounds complicated but it's really simple once you think like you're in their shoes.

So why we fight afwenya for?. He killed our families with third superpower on africa break down. Somalis will no peace unless everyone knows the other has the power to fight back.

 

[Tukraq]

arms embargo is there for a reason, we don't have real state institutions, our destitute military can be flipped to shabaab at the flip of a dime and we'd lose those weapons, nor do we even have a real military apparatus and can't even secure 2 blocks

 

[FBIsomalia]

arms embargo is there for a reason, we don't have real state institutions, our destitute military can be flipped to shabaab at the flip of a dime and we'd lose those weapons, nor do we even have a real military apparatus and can't even secure 2 blocks

Puntland and Somaliland can. But South Somalia doesn't.

 

[Tukraq]

Puntland and Somaliland can. But south Somalia doesn't.

were talking about sna in mogadishu throw them some dimes or a months late payments and they'll flip sahib, not even a real loyal army, which is why you need an arms embargo honestly

 

[Tukraq]

SNA is a clan militia because that's all FGS is able to convince to join them.

It's like the chicken and egg problem.


No one would join them unless they have a better chance and they won't have one without others joining them.

Heavy weapons would change the equation.

I don't want a balance. Let a single faction come out as the ultimate winner. I don't care if it's a clan rival to mine. Whoever in charge would make the right decision if they want to keep a hold onto power.

You would assume that giving FGS better weapons would lead to single clan monopolizing those weapons right?

In reality what's most likely to happen is the leadership realizing they have a chance at ruling all of Somalia with this opportunity so would balance out the clans in SNA. Only way they'll have a mandate over the whole country.

Right now they have no incentives or the leverage to deal with a multiparty SNA.

Sooner or later the power would go from the winning clan to it's leadership and finally to the elites in the new government from all the country.

You first give them the chicken and the egg will come in time.

Sounds complicated but it's really simple once you think like you're in their shoes.

this is somalia no such thing as a power balance whether you bring the US and there black hawks or the African Union who can't even control 2 blocks, you can't fight a country and like I said even those under you aren't really under you can be flipped like easy, heck the SNA was marching on those two blocks just because there payments were Late last year lol, if the arms embargo is lifted the weapons would get in the wrong hands

 

[Ras]

if the arms embargo is lifted the weapons would get in the wrong hands

Not really. FGS would be kicked out within a few weeks.

No sanctions means anyone in Somalia can import weapons.

It'll be a free for all that I'm hoping for.

There are plenty of groups out there waiting for an opportunity to rule Somalia and they're a lot more competent than the current FGS.

Xamar is known to kill all its talented people. Most the smart ones are waiting for a chance and the removal of the arms embargo would be that opportunity.

 

[Futurist]

To build weapons you need a steel industry and mechanical engineers

Somalia has neither

Lifting the arms embargo now would be bad for Somalia. The SNA is a militia. Farmaajo is unelected. God knows what they would do

 

[Ras]

To build weapons you need a steel industry and mechanical engineers

Somalia has neither

& Gunsmiths and production engineers.

It'll be a war of competence.

Whoever can arrange the above... Either train and recruit Somalis or hire foreigners will end up dominating.

Btw it isn't rocket science sxb... even rocket science is a 100 year old technology.

Ottomans were making canons centuries ago.

Plenty smart Somali engineers out there you can cross-train.

If not ... Then we deserve to be ruled like livestock.

Buying guns can only get you so far since you're limited to what you can buy or the costs are too prohibitive.

 

[Misil]

Lol as if there's an arms embargo currently in place

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[CirJiid]

I'm not saying we should rely on the weapons industry to run our economy...

The embargo won't go away and in the meantime our people are starving while we wait for Xamar to take control of the country through "dialogue"...

Inshallah another 20 years and it'll work right?

Dis ur solution. Don't starve, get killed by us

dude stop believing british sources as the holly scripture.
the dervish got weapons from germany and the ottoman empire, there foreign advisor was a ottoman turk.

Okay bring your sources of ottoman empire writing about this

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Dis ur solution. Don't starve, get killed by us


Okay bring your sources of ottoman empire writing about this

there is ottoman writting about somaliland but it's all in turkish, and i can't read turkish. german gave dervish.
the central powers (germany ottoman empire) supported dervish in ww1

 

[Macalin M]

Hold on akhis I am bringing bariis iyo hilib to boris Johnson

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

actually the arms embargo is a blessing for 68
They would use the arms against themselves for silly clanwars

 

[Yahya]

Al shabaab is a western creation like isis and the taliban. Somalia is stoo strategic and has enemies all over the west and in the gulf that do not want us the youth to end qabilism and unite to compete with regions like the gulf, that are filled with unimaginative and useless backwards individuals that can't handle competition and would rather arm terrorist cells to keep us unstable. Somalia will die in 2030 if something drastic is not done to combat our issues.

The UK is an enemy and wants to keep somalia in chains to ensure kenya is safe, ethiopia has the same desires because we give them nightmares. The gulf as i stated has businessmen that cannot compete with genius and innovative somali minds, so they fund our destabilisation and useless qabil bickering and some corrupt politicians here and there.

Somalia can control the indian ocean and dominate it if we are allowed to develop and unstoppable navy and our ports are used to compete in the region to choke out other rival ports. Also a strong muslim nation would be a bad thing for the west since they spent the majority of the 21'st century trying to undermine muslim autority in their countries unless they happened to be puppets for the west.

The only way for somalia to prosper is for the youth to tell the old men to put down their guns and step aside. We can only move forward if we each develop our own regions, stop trying to steal each others clan region resources (most ppl fight for their resources when threatened) and reconcile our youth so they can form a secret society that controls the country from the shadows and appoints their loyal followers as key leaders from each region so that our next generation of regional leaders can all fight for the same dream that unites them.

Is this possible? absolutely. Will this be done right now? who knows. it depends on the youth understanding that we are surrounded by enemies on all sides. Either we band together and survive or we die out as a race. We need to emphise this point so that our qabilist cousins back home can understand this! forget about the clan elders and odays. Focus on the young impressional qabilists and try to turn them. Start off in your villages and in your families and infect them with this fear that we could very well die out as a race if we don't get our act together and stop kiling each
other.

 

[P4$t0]

They r not removing the arms embargo to protect ur insignificant skinny ass. Last thing da world needs is skinny Bush n1ggers to maim eachother for qabiil 4.5 country in 2020. & they dont believe what ur skinny fragile mind likes to tell them, "we're 1 nayshan, 1 beeble"

 

[Marsin]

Where the f*ck is the tumaals when you need them?