N&N Political Party: Following a foreign agenda?

[Medulla]

Puntland has always pushed to get rid of 4.5!!! Everyone else disagreed with us, first of all.

Look at Puntland for instance, we have many Somalis from all over the country who live, study and work in Puntland. Many D&M people for instance, in future, they will be considered Puntites as Majerteen who live in Baidoa are considered South-Westerners.

With peace, people will move all over the state and live wherever they want, just like in other federal countries like the USA and Germany etc.

If Farmaajo/Khayre want Centralism, they need to prove they can be trusted instead of sending an army to attack states.

When they attack Gaalkacyo, I will @ you and prove my point.

So we can agree 4.5 shouldn't exist and that no matter you clan you can claim to be from the state you live in right? But how do they do Farmaajo and khayre prove they can be trusted? It seems really subjective why would they attack gaalkacyo if anything they will just go into talks we are over the stage of meaningless slaughter.

The day a D&M can claim any state without problems is the dream ,any qabiil to be honest without being seen as a second class citizen because of their qabiil . A peaceful and stable Somalia is my dream and it will become a reality !

 

[Murax]

I support Puntland and Federalism as you support your UNCLE Farmaajo and his Centralist agenda.

Whilst Somalia will not remain free of foreign influence for the foreseeable future, is it wrong of me to ask why the PRESIDENT of SOMALIA is not developing my state?

Why he is not training or paying the salaries of Puntland soldiers?

You act as though my grievance with this government is completely unfounded.

First he’s not my Uncle, secondly yes as someone who hails from Gedo do I not have grievances? There is a bridge in Luuq that needs repair and is non-operational, same with Baardheere, flood relief for Bakool, Hiiraan (rightfully so), were prioritized over Baardheere, roads between towns in Gedo are impossible to navigate between. Please explain to me the conflict of interest I’m having to where I’m benefiting at the expense of others. And no, I don’t count trying to gain self esteem flexing to Somalis Internet forums because a head of State hails from my clan as a benefit Lol. We’re all in the same boat, with Puntland enjoying peace and stability for 20 years while the South is slowly emerging.


With the whole soldiers issue, that I’m not going to act like I know all the facts on that particular issue, but are you saying the Puntland soldiers were not part of the soldiers who were officially registered through biometrics to receive the Government salaries? This is just question so don’t get offended, wasn’t the plan for States to pay State salaries while the Government pays Federal?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

First he’s not my Uncle, secondly yes as someone who hails from Gedo do I not have grievances? There is a bridge in Luuq that needs repair and is non-operational, same with Baardheere, flood relief for Bakool, Hiiraan (rightfully so), were prioritized over Baardheere, roads between towns in Gedo are impossible to navigate between. Please explain to me the conflict of interest I’m having to where I’m benefiting at the expense of others. And no, I don’t count trying to gain self esteem flexing to Somalis Internet forums because a head of State hails from my clan as a benefit Lol. We’re all in the same boat, with Puntland enjoying peace and stability for 20 years while the South is slowly emerging.


With the whole soldiers issue, that I’m not going to act like I know all the facts on that particular issue, but are you saying the Puntland soldiers were not part of the soldiers who were officially registered through biometrics to receive the Government salaries? This is just question so don’t get offended, wasn’t the plan for States to pay State salaries while the Government pays Federal?

The deal was for Federal states to receive an equal amount of the training spots in order to create a unified national army.

Instead, the SNA is overwhelmingly Hawiye or D&M.

Thus, if you were from Puntland, would you trust a Centralist dictator with a non-native army at your front door?

Honestly?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

So we can agree 4.5 shouldn't exist and that no matter you clan you can claim to be from the state you live in right? But how do they do Farmaajo and khayre prove they can be trusted? It seems really subjective why would they attack gaalkacyo if anything they will just go into talks we are over the stage of meaningless slaughter.

The day a D&M can claim any state without problems is the dream ,any qabiil to be honest without being seen as a second class citizen because of their qabiil . A peaceful and stable Somalia is my dream and it will become a reality !

Of course I agree that any decent Somali person can live and travel freely in Somalia.

I just want equal development and representation for all Somalis.

I want an army that is representative of ALL Somalis instead of just Hawiye and D&M.

People are acting as though Puntites are being unreasonable.

We just want what is fair and just.

 

[Medulla]

Of course I agree that any decent Somali person can live and travel freely in Somalia.

I just want equal development and representation for all Somalis.

I want an army that is representative of ALL Somalis instead of just Hawiye and D&M.

People are acting as though Puntites are being unreasonable.

We just want what is fair and just.

"Of course I agree that any decent Somali person can live and travel freely in Somalia." + Without prejudice as well no use traveling if you go somewhere and they hate you cause of your qabiil LOL.

But isn't the army thing just a demographics issue there just aren't enough daroods in the south and those who live there aren't interested in the SNA. You can't force darood natives of the south to join O.O what your saying here sounds reasonable, but I struggle to see what is so unfair that the farmajo has done so fair. I am generally interested to hear the grievances but please link me to something at least

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

"Of course I agree that any decent Somali person can live and travel freely in Somalia." + Without prejudice as well no use traveling if you go somewhere and they hate you cause of your qabiil LOL.

But isn't the army thing just a demographics issue there just aren't enough daroods in the south and those who live there aren't interested in the SNA. You can't force darood natives of the south to join O.O what your saying here sounds reasonable, but I struggle to see what is so unfair that the farmajo has done so fair. I am generally interested to hear the grievances but please link me to something at least

Medulla,

Even during the civil war, people moved around with or without clan prejudice. Somalis even live in Somaliland even though they have major prejudice towards Somalis who wave the blue flag.


Farmaajo and the federal states had a meeting when he first came to power, the agreement was to build a unified SNA.

He managed to get his maternal clan family from SOOL to be trained and sent to fight in Gedo.

So it's not a demographics issue, it's political. He trains whoever he wishes to train and he sidelines whoever he wishes to sideline.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

In October 2014, Federal Government officials signed an agreement in Garowe with Puntland, which said that the Federal and Puntland authorities will work to form an integrated national army. In April 2015, another bilateral treaty stipulated that Puntland would contribute 3,000 troops to the Somali National Army.



Since 2014, Puntland has tried to support a unified national army.

In fact, the first Federal Somali Army was entirely from Puntland and that was when Abdulahi Yusuf Ahmed AUN went to Mogadishu to establish the state.

Yet Puntland is called a "spoiler" and "unpatriotic".

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

In May 2015, President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and the heads of the Puntland, Jubaland and Interim South West Administrations signed a seven-point agreement in Garowe authorizing the immediate deployment of 3,000 troops from Puntland for the Somali National Army.[125] The leaders also agreed to integrate soldiers from the other regional states into the SNA.[126]

In 2016 The Economist reported that the SNA did not exist as a cohesive force due to high rates of desertions and many soldiers being primarily loyal to clan leaders rather than the government.[127]

 

[Medulla]

Medulla,

Even during the civil war, people moved around with or without clan prejudice. Somalis even live in Somaliland even though they have major prejudice towards Somalis who wave the blue flag.

Farmaajo and the federal states had a meeting when he first came to power, the agreement was to build a unified SNA.

He managed to get his maternal clan family from SOOL to be trained and sent to fight in Gedo.

So it's not a demographics issue, it's political. He trains whoever he wishes to train and he sidelines whoever he wishes to sideline.

I wouldn't use Somaliland as a good example of how I wish Somalia to treat it's minorities in the future LOL. It's literally the bare mininum amount of respect. Your example of Sool I have no knowledge of that so if you have any articles please link them to me. I am not going to sit here and pretend to know everything so I can't argue against that point XD.

You seem confident of it being politcal , but what do you mean by that what is wrong with him advocating for centralism he is the president. He isn't a dictator once his tenure runs out and he isn't reelected hes gone I don't see the issue. The whole thing just comes off as clan disputes labelled as something else.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I wouldn't use Somaliland as a good example of how I wish Somalia to treat it's minorities in the future LOL. It's literally the bare mininum amount of respect.

Your example of Sool I have no knowledge of that so if you have any articles please link them to me. I am not going to sit here and pretend to know everything so I can't argue against that point XD. You seem confident of it being politcal , but what do you mean by that what is wrong with him advocating for centralism he is the president. He isn't a dictator once his tenure runs out and he isn't reelected hes gone I don't see the issue. The whole thing just comes off as clan disputes labelled as something else.

For instance, if Khayre wasn't a qabiilist, why did he avoid support the Garacad port project? Instead he went to Hobyo and brought Qatar to fund it.

This is just one incident of the highly qabiilistic internal policy of N&N.

A Prime Minister of a nation should have 100% supported the first large-scale development project that is wholly funded by Somalis.

Instead of applauding Puntland and supporting, he snubbed the entire project.

This is the party we are supposed to support?

Put yourself in our position for a moment and see what I am talking about.

 

[Medulla]

For instance, if Khayre wasn't a qabiilist, why did he avoid support the Garacad port project? Instead he went to Hobyo and brought Qatar to fund it.

This is just one incident of the highly qabiilistic internal policy of N&N.

A Prime Minister of a nation should have 100% supported the first large-scale development project that is wholly funded by Somalis.

Instead of applauding Puntland and supporting, he snubbed the entire project.

This is the party we are supposed to support?

Put yourself in our position for a moment and see what I am talking about.

That's a big assumption though don't you think O.O hasn't hobyo always been known as a port city and has better links to other places within somalia? Makes more sense to have a port their than elsewhere . I can see how it can come across that way but at the same time it seems really harsh to say he is a qabillist.

From what I've seen and read most people in PL don't feel the central goverment has any in jurisdiction it may have been his way of avoiding issues in the future. But again I don't know I always look for the positives in things I can't refute things without actual sources on these claims. We can agree to disagree here or else this will go on for 90 pages whilst I sift through a million documents looking for answers LOL

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

That's a big assumption though don't you think O.O hasn't hobyo always been known as a port city and has better links to other places within somalia? Makes more sense to have a port their than elsewhere . I can see how it can come across that way but at the same time it seems really harsh to say he is a qabillist.

From what I've seen and read most people in PL don't feel the central goverment has any in jurisdiction it may have been his way of avoiding issues in the future. But again I don't know I always look for the positives in things I can't refute things without actual sources on these claims. We can agree to disagree here or else this will go on for 90 pages whilst I sift through a million documents looking for answers LOL

I want every city to have an airport or landing strip and I want all the ports in Somalia to be built and developed.

I don't believe in picking favourites.

If you were a leader, would you not want this for your nation?

 

[Medulla]

I want every city to have an airport or landing strip and I want all the ports in Somalia to be built and developed.

I don't believe in picking favourites.

With time that will happen we are only now getting things done before you know it these issues will be a thing of the past

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

With time that will happen we are only now getting things done before you know it these issues will be a thing of the past

I pray you are right.

I wish all N&N supporters were as polite and intelligent as you. At least we can agree to disagree.

 

[Murax]

The deal was for Federal states to receive an equal amount of the training spots in order to create a unified national army.

Instead, the SNA is overwhelmingly Hawiye or D&M.

Thus, if you were from Puntland, would you trust a Centralist dictator with a non-native army at your front door?

Honestly?

No I wouldn’t trust one, but I’m trying to understand what you mean by ‘at your front door’? I’m assuming you’re referring to Galmudug and the Federal Government being involved with it but still not sure what you mean.


As far as the training slots to Turkey, yes I agree Puntland, all the states should get those slots equally, but if every other day the Puntland Administration is saying ‘we cut off communications with the Gov’, and you have UAE lurking I’m sure funneling money encouraging it how will this integration come? I cannot remember one time the Federal Gov saying ‘we cut off communication, we don’t recognize Puntland’ etc. This Training mission would require MOUs, full integration etc. and I’m not sure how that can happen without communication.


Case in point the Federal Gov invited Puntland to a Shir for all the regional states to discuss the debt relief, and Puntland refused to attend.

 

[Shmurda]

Its probably the first one mental illness is common amongst bööns iyo hūtūs