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anonimo said:
There is still a possibility that their subclade was brought to the Horn by Semitic migrants.

For instance, the Tigre samples in the RW T-Y15711 group matches with a Saudi roughly 3000 years ago; I know it is not an exact science. If this Saudi belongs to a known Arab clan, then the evidence suggests the Tigre samples in the RW group are of ancient Semitic ancestry. According to their oral History, the T RX clans descend from Harari migrants, if there is any truth to this myth then it is plausible that they have a similar ancestry to Habasha Tigres who had a historical presence in coastal areas of Northern Eritrea.
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The khaleejis are way oversampled on yfull compared to Africans, every small lineage is well represented. We should understand that a single African flag is more meaningful than a bunch of khaleeji flags.

KSA: 4749, UAE: 492, Yemen: 753, Kuwait: 1,138, Qatar: 368 compared to Sudan: 70 and Eritrea: 14

YFull World Sampling Rate Map – Mygrations

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The other branches of the two subclades upstream of this 3,000 year old khaleeji subclade of interest, T-FGC40968, are from Sudan/Eritrea probably suggesting T-Y15711 was localized in that area of Africa.
 
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What do you make of the Samane Abokor HJ who falls within a unique T-BY181210 lineage? Is there any hypothesis we can draw from this unexpected result.
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Can't really make anything out of it bro, he might be an outlier or several other Northerners might come under his subclade.

Reformed J said:
The khaleejis are way oversampled on yfull compared to Africans, every small lineage is well represented. We should understand that a single African flag is more meaningful than a bunch of khaleeji flags.

KSA: 4749, UAE: 492, Yemen: 753, Kuwait: 1,138, Qatar: 368 compared to Sudan: 70 and Eritrea: 14

YFull World Sampling Rate Map – Mygrations

phylogeographer.com phylogeographer.com

The other branches of the two subclades upstream of this 3,000 year old khaleeji subclade of interest, T-FGC40968, are from Sudan/Eritrea probably suggesting T-Y15711 was localized in that area of Africa.
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A single African flag has more relevance when discussing haplogroups that originate in Africa. With T-L208 it is more complex as it is a Eurasian haplogroup whilst also having an ancient presence in Africa. Nonetheless, it is very plausible that T-Y15711 (subclade of T-CTS2214) was brought over by ancient Semitic migrants when they settled in the Horn etc. as an ancient (5950ybp) T-CTS2214 sample was found in Israel.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Ancient DNA from Chalcolithic Israel reveals the role of population mixture in cultural transformation

The material culture of the Late Chalcolithic period in the southern Levant (4500–3900/3800 BCE) is qualitatively distinct from previous and subsequent periods. Here, to test the hypothesis that the advent and decline of this culture was influenced ...
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The other young Tigre branches are not upstream of the Khaleeji 3000 year old sample. They belong to a different subclade that branched off when T-Y15711 was formed roughly 4300 years according to YFull.
 
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anonimo said:
A single African flag has more relevance when discussing haplogroups that originate in Africa. With T-L208 it is more complex as it is a Eurasian haplogroup whilst also having an ancient presence in Africa. Nonetheless, it is very plausible that T-Y15711 (subclade of T-CTS2214) was brought over by ancient Semitic migrants when they settled in the Horn etc. as an ancient (5950ybp) T-CTS2214 sample was found in Israel.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Ancient DNA from Chalcolithic Israel reveals the role of population mixture in cultural transformation

The material culture of the Late Chalcolithic period in the southern Levant (4500–3900/3800 BCE) is qualitatively distinct from previous and subsequent periods. Here, to test the hypothesis that the advent and decline of this culture was influenced ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
haplotree.info - ancientdna.info. Map based on All Ancient DNA v. 2.07.26.
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anonimo said:
The other young Tigre branches are not upstream of the Khaleeji 3000 year old sample. They belong to a different subclade that branched off when T-Y15711 was formed roughly 4300 years according to YFull.
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Without Adna samples, it is guesswork. No Neolithic T-CTS2214 or T-L208 samples have yet been found in the Levant. The Ain Ghazal Neolithic T sample belongs to another T-M70 subclade. Without evidence, it is folly to assume that T-Y15711 is of Neolithic pastoral origin. The Chalcolithic T-CTS2214 autosomal samples were clearly differentiated from Neolithic Levantine samples suggesting a post-Neolithic T-CTS2214 migration to the Levant from Anatolia etc. If T-Y15711 is associated with this Anatolian migration, it is unlikely to have been present in Africa during the Neolithic.
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In your previous reply, you stated the Tigres were upstream of the Khaleeji sample hence my earlier reply.

I haven't come across any ancient dna information supporting your pastoralist statement regarding the clade upstream of T-Y15711 being present in Africa since the Neolithic. Please provide evidence to back up such a claim.

You are engaging in the hypothetical again. T-Y19367 is directly upstream of the Khaleeji samples but it does not support your argument that they are of of African ancestry, the RX; Tigres and the Arabs all have a common ancestor going back 3600 ybp. The migration between North-East Africa and the Arabian peninsula was one way traffic 3000 years ago. Considering how T-CTS2214 is found among Arab clans and it's long history in the Middle East, it is illogical to assume that this 3600 year old lineage is the result of a back migration to Arabia from Africa.
 
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