Muslim Man Gets Sent Intimate Photos of His New Wife And Her Ex Boyfriend After 2 Weeks Of Marriage?! (Yikes!)

[Angelina]

The reason it's a fear is because I'm in fact not overly suspicious and I'll take people's word for it when it actually comes to getting to know people and generally they are honest with me because i probably come across as open minded. Once again men lying more is kind of irrelevant to me since I'm not dealing with men and I don't even know how those kind of stats can even be verified but it doesn't matter because I'm dealing with women not men and I don't lie so other men lying has nothing to do with me and as far as I remember men just get caught more easier in there lies. Women lie and gaslight just as much if not more. Their just better at hiding it but that doesn't matter because you don't deal with women.

Women don’t lie as much about major things that’s the difference. Men are a bit more competitive and will lie to get what they want or need in a situation and unfortunately men tend to have more issues with sociopathy so most sociopaths tend to be men. But you’re right, that’s irrelevant to you since you’re dealing with women, not men.

I’m telling you this to say I understand that you should take a leaf out of my book. Before marrying try your best to find out the most you can. Once you do and have asked around, checked social media and the list goes on, then once you decide to marry put your trust in Allah and make dua. You can’t stop what’s written for you.

I know I'm just saying a lot of guys are rather trusting. I try to do my due diligence and then leave it at that personally. But most guys do nothing.

They’re trusting because they put women on a pedestal. Stop. People are people and are human. People make mistakes, people can fall into stuff. What makes the male psyche so interesting is their lack of ability to see women as people with lots of greys. Everything is black and white. If she makes one mistake she’s the biggest wh0re, is she comes across as decent she must be a angelic. That’s not life. Understand that in life women are people and that you’ll find different types and that is your job to try and do background information and only marry a woman once you’re comfortable and then hope for the best and not live in the past or be fearful of it.

This is just a fear that is normal to have. We all have fears. I'm not saying it consumes me otherwise I wouldn't want to get married at all.

I know but some Men take it too far and I know it’s because of social media. Your fear is right on brand with what redpillers and the manosphere talks about all the time. The promiscuous woman that dupes miskeen men. That is a big thing right now on social media.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Women don’t lie as much about major things that’s the difference. Men are a bit more competitive and will lie to get what they want or need in a situation and unfortunately men tend to have more issues with sociopathy so most sociopaths tend to be men. But you’re right, that’s irrelevant to you since you’re dealing with women, not men.

That's not even true. More men are simply tested for sociopathy/narcissism etc more because they tend to test that stuff when you get caught for crimes. Women and men are different and present differently. Women simply don't commit as much crimes as men so are not tested on the same scale. Regardless if you wanna actually help tell us more from your side of things when it comes to what women do. Saying they do less isn't helpful.

I’m telling you this to say I understand that you should take a leaf out of my book. Before marrying try your best to find out the most you can. Once you do and have asked around, checked social media and the list goes on, then once you decide to marry put your trust in Allah and make dua. You can’t stop what’s written for you.

True. OK if you wanna give us a leaf out of your book tell us the different ways you would go about doing your research in detail so us guys can learn or see if we match up. Maybe my due diligence is subpar. Anyways I understand whatever is written is written.

They’re trusting because they put women on a pedestal. Stop. People are people and are human. People make mistakes, people can fall into stuff. What makes the male psyche so interesting is their lack of ability to see women as people with lots of greys. Everything is black and white. If she makes one mistake she’s the biggest wh0re, is she comes across as decent she must be a angelic. That’s not life. Understand that in life women are people and that you’ll find different types and that is your job to try and do background information and only marry a woman once you’re comfortable and then hope for the best and not live in the past or be fearful of it.

I understand that people fall into stuff and I find it baffling that guys who do wrong themselves except women to be black and white. The issue is that I don't want someone who isn't like me in that regard. If I did zina I wouldn't be a hypocrite whos constantly crying about women who did get involved in that or expect a woman who is pure when in not pure myself. At that point it would just be a bonus that they where not zanis.

I know but some Men take it too far and I know it’s because of social media. Your fear is right on brand with what redpillers and the manosphere talks about all the time. The promiscuous woman that dupes miskeen men. That is a big thing right now on social media.

Nope this has been a fear in male circles as far back as I can remember well before any of this redpill/manosphere stuff.

no one wants to be the miskeen guy who married a woman with a past. Its not even about the woman being promiscuous its about you being miskeen and not getting your likeness. It's more so pronounced in more religious/non iyaal suuc circles

 

[Angelina]

That's not even true. More men are simply tested for sociopathy/narcissism etc more because they tend to test that stuff when you get caught for crimes. Women and men are different and present differently. Women simply don't commit as much crimes as men so are not tested on the same scale.

They’ve both been tested and there are various and I mean various studies that look at men and women’s differences with regards to white lies and sociopathy. This thread looks at it. Btw this man isn’t a feminist in the slightest and is all about data:

There are various studies on this as well, but that isn’t just to suggest that men are liars as there are many honest men and lying women, but just that as group men lie more and a lot of it might be due to competitiveness and a need to triumph which is more masculine in nature. This also says the same thing:

Men Are More Selfishly Dishonest Than Women

A recent paper reviews the nature and causes of gender differences in dishonesty.

www.psychologytoday.com

Even check this study:

Face-to-Face Lying: Gender and Motivation to Deceive - PMC

Two studies examined gender differences in lying when the truth-telling bias prevailed (study 1) and when inspiring lying and disbelief (study 2). The first study used 156 community participants (91 women) in pairs. First, participants completed the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I didn’t need a study to tell me this simply because the average woman has more crazy stories of male lies than any man. A man with kids lying about his age and being childless is a normal day for us women. That’s how much some men lie. It’s to the point that I wouldn’t hardly believe any major thing a guy during the speaking stage said unless I had concrete proof like people I knew that knew him. It’s the only way a woman can protect herself and since you’re so afraid of lies, maybe as a man you should adopt that tactic.

True. OK if you wanna give us a leaf out of your book tell us the different ways you would go about doing your research in detail so us guys can learn or see if we match up. Maybe my due diligence is subpar. Anyways I understand whatever is written is written.

Social media. Check, go through followings, and the like. You’ll also know people who knows her. Try and marry someone that your family know and

I understand that people fall into stuff and I find it baffling that guys who do wrong themselves except women to be black and white. The issue is that I don't want someone who isn't like me in that regard. If I did zina I wouldn't be a hypocrite whos constantly crying about women who did get involved in that or expect a woman who is pure when in not pure myself. At that point it would just be a bonus that they where not zanis.

Nope this has been a fear in male circles as far back as I can remember well before any of this redpill/manosphere stuff.

Yea and the men who fear it tend to be degenerates. The men I’ve come across who were obsessed with ‘wh0res’ and the like had very sketchy pasts and saw the worst types of women.

no one wants to be the miskeen guy who married a woman with a past. Its not even about the woman being promiscuous its about you being miskeen and not getting your likeness. It's more so pronounced in more religious/non iyaal suuc circles

And the likelihood of that happening as a man is slim. Like I said, decent guys of the past wouldn’t be overly worried as they wouldn’t be surrounded by Qashin women and go to certain places ect but now those worries are definitely more profound due to social media.

 

[Odious Delirium]

They’ve both been tested and there are various and I mean various studies that look at men and women’s differences with regards to white lies and sociopathy. This thread looks at it. Btw this man isn’t a feminist in the slightest and is all about data:

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There are various studies on this as well, but that isn’t just to suggest that men are liars as there are many honest men and lying women, but just that as group men lie more and a lot of it might be due to competitiveness and a need to triumph which is more masculine in nature. This also says the same thing:

Men Are More Selfishly Dishonest Than Women

A recent paper reviews the nature and causes of gender differences in dishonesty.

www.psychologytoday.com

Even check this study:

Face-to-Face Lying: Gender and Motivation to Deceive - PMC

Two studies examined gender differences in lying when the truth-telling bias prevailed (study 1) and when inspiring lying and disbelief (study 2). The first study used 156 community participants (91 women) in pairs. First, participants completed the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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I didn’t need a study to tell me this simply because the average woman has more crazy stories of male lies than any man. A man with kids lying about his age and being childless is a normal day for us women. That’s how much some men lie. It’s to the point that I wouldn’t hardly believe any major thing a guy during the speaking stage said unless I had concrete proof like people I knew that knew him. It’s the only way a woman can protect herself and since you’re so afraid of lies, maybe as a man you should adopt that tactic.

How would things progress if you don't believe a thing though? wouldn't that mean staying stuck on a point until you can verify it? It's kind of hard to verify zina tho and women will defend each other in both there rights and wrongs bro code isn't as strong as girl code most will try to simple not get involved so how would someone even get a hold of that kind of info as a man especially if it's one of those "slip ups" and not recurring?

It's very different to going around and finding out if a man is married and has kids or is lying about his age. Those are tangible you can't really even hide that. You could easily just find out by accident without really trying. In those departments women don't really lie so I see what you mean but in zina they definitely do because they know it hurts there chances. They may not lie to you because your a fellow woman and not the intended target. Plus most guys when they find out about female infidelity simply keep quiet about it and hide it because its shameful and if they do share it they do it anonymously. Women share everything with there mates but that doesn't mean there that honest with potentials there trying to get with.

Social media. Check, go through followings, and the like. You’ll also know people who knows her. Try and marry someone that your family know and

But thats curated to appear the way she or he wants it. People have burner accounts that they hide from family and friends where they may post and like other stuff that's not in line with there presented image and women tend to do this more then men imo especially within the muslim community because of shame culture that's stricter on women then men. Most guys are being shameless on there main account so you can easily filter them out on the other hand women are just smarter. Same principle as girls who wear dress modestly with hijab but as soon as ther outside the view of those who know them they take it all off.

Yea and the men who fear it tend to be degenerates. The men I’ve come across who were obsessed with ‘wh0res’ and the like had very sketchy pasts and saw the worst types of women.
And the likelihood of that happening as a man is slim. Like I said, decent guys of the past wouldn’t be overly worried as they wouldn’t be surrounded by Qashin women and go to certain places ect but now those worries are definitely more profound due to social media.

That's the thing my fear isn't marrying the degen woman it's marrying the one that's turned a new leaf or had one offs and is in the same circles as me because I'm not even in the same circles as degen women so I don't have to worry about that. It's ones with hidden pasts but regardless you get what's written down for you so it is what it is.

 

[Angelina]

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How would things progress if you don't believe a thing though? wouldn't that mean staying stuck on a point until you can verify it? It's kind of hard to verify zina tho and women will defend each other in both there rights and wrongs bro code isn't as strong as girl code most will try to simple not get involved so how would someone even get a hold of that kind of info as a man especially if it's one of those "slip ups" and not recurring?

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It's very different to going around and finding out if a man is married and has kids or is lying about his age. Those are tangible you can't really even hide that. You could easily just find out by accident without really trying. In those departments women don't really lie so I see what you mean but in zina they definitely do because they know it hurts there chances. They may not lie to you because your a fellow woman and not the intended target.

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Plus most guys when they find out about female infidelity simply keep quiet about it and hide it because its shameful and if they do share it they do it anonymously. Women share everything with there mates but that doesn't mean there that honest with potentials there trying to get with.

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But thats curated to appear the way she or he wants it. People have burner accounts that they hide from family and friends where they may post and like other stuff that's not in line with there presented image and

The ones with Burner accounts are about that life mate and often get exposed. The internet is forever and women expose each other all the time once they fall out.

women tend to do this more then men imo especially within the muslim community because of shame culture that's stricter on women then men. Most guys are being shameless on there main account so you can easily filter them out on the other hand women are just smarter. Same principle as girls who wear dress modestly with hijab but as soon as ther outside the view of those who know them they take it all off.

That's the thing my fear isn't marrying the degen woman it's marrying the one that's turned a new leaf or had one offs and is in the same circles as me because I'm not even in the same circles as degen women so I don't have to worry about that. It's ones with hidden pasts but regardless you get what's written down for you so it is what it is.

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[Odious Delirium]

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The ones with Burner accounts are about that life mate and often get exposed. The internet is forever and women expose each other all the time once they fall out.

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The point is "once they fall out" is a recurring theme and the average woman will tell her friends because they overshare.

I already stated these things always eventually come out regardless because of falling outs in an earlier comment. I understand that already. I'm talking about avoiding that all together without the need of a falling out/backstab to help get things in the light. Looks like there isn't any so I'll just leave it at that.

I'll just carry on with the way I go about it I guess. Besides the stalkerish stuff I basically go in with the same mindset.

 

[cooli3o]

Isn't it obvious men lie more than women? that's like a given part of life.

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Are you talking about religious sisters?
I don't know any religious women so I don't have any data to go off of.
but the normal hijabi girl who has commit any kind of thing with a guy 99% she will tell her friends about it, thats a given.

 

[Angelina]

Isn't it obvious men lie more than women? that's like a given part of life.

Are you talking about religious sisters?
I don't know any religious women so I don't have any data to go off of.
but the normal hijabi girl who has commit any kind of thing with a guy 99% she will tell her friends about it, thats a given.

No, it’s not obvious anymore. Men are now more exposed to manosphere content which is mostly projection. They claim women lie more, deceive more and that they’re more promiscuous.

 

[cooli3o]

No, it’s not obvious anymore. Men are now more exposed to manosphere content which is mostly projection. They claim women lie more, deceive more and that they’re more promiscuous.

yh but in reality thats 10% of the population on the internet, in real life it is known men lie more

 

[Kane]

I don't gossip, I just commented on your illogical answers. Also I don't care what women think
Girlfriend zoned myself, bro do u understand women

Idc about female nature or women, its irrelevant to my life, and I definitely understand more than you, I don't learn from youtube or books I learn from real life, and people who know what they are talking about. I also have nothing to prove to Angelina as I always argue with her in every post I could care less.

the science u gave is a theory, not fact. therefore I do not take it as evidence

You remember the last time we spoke of this subject, you quoted Steve Harvey.

By saying “sex only accounts for 5% of a relationship”. In liberal terms he was a good father, a very kind provider, a man of high status, who believed the “happy wife happy life” philosophy. He did everything his wife asked of him.

Yet a train was run on her by his chef and his bodyguard allegedly, the freaking help got them cheeks.

This goes everything you’ve been preaching so far, so how does a young simp like yourself explain all this, if sex is the least important thing in a relationship?

this is where you Redeem or expose yourself!!!!

 

[Odious Delirium]

You remember the last time we spoke of this subject, you quoted Steve Harvey.

By saying “sex only accounts for 5% of a relationship”. In liberal terms he was a good father, a very kind provider, a man of high status, who believed the “happy wife happy life” philosophy. He did everything his wife asked of him.

Yet a train was run on her by his chef and his bodyguard allegedly, the freaking help got them cheeks.

This goes everything you’ve been preaching so far, so how does a young simp like yourself explain all this, if sex is the least important thing in a relationship?

this is where you Redeem or expose yourself!!!!

But didn't he cheat on his previous wife with his current one? Once a cheater always a cheater and he also cheated on her allegedly so it could be said she was getting back at him and was out of it emotionally.

Both the physical and emotional side are important but the degree varies from person to person and changes overtime aswell. So you can never really judge and make examples out of random relationships when we don't even know the full story. Maybe he didn't even practice what he preached so she only was getting money from him and was emotionally/physically abandoned.
It's also possible that he was doing just fine in the physical aspect and money but wasn't meeting her emotional needs. We just don't know the reason because we don't have the details and it's the details that matter when it comes to judging anyone's relationship.

Every possibility for and against both your arguments are possible here aswell as you both being wrong.

Money/physical/emotional needs are things you juggle and matter more or less to different people.

 

[cooli3o]

By saying “sex only accounts for 5% of a relationship”. In liberal terms he was a good father, a very kind provider, a man of high status, who believed the “happy wife happy life” philosophy. He did everything his wife asked of him.

Yet a train was run on her by his chef and his bodyguard allegedly, the freaking help got them cheeks.

do we know anything about his personal life or relationship of camera though? no

This goes everything you’ve been preaching so far, so how does a young simp like yourself explain all this, if sex is the least important thing in a relationship?

how can I be a simp when I value sex in a relationship less than you do?

 

[Kane]

But didn't he cheat on his previous wife with his current one? Once a cheater always a cheater and he also cheated on her allegedly so it could be said she was getting back at him and was out of it emotionally.
dd

From what I understand he cheated on his former wife as they were separating, before their divorce was finalized.

Both the physical and emotional side are important but the degree varies from person to person and changes overtime aswell. So you can never really judge and make examples out of random relationships when we don't even know the full story. Maybe he didn't even practice what he preached so she only was getting money from him and was emotionally/physically abandoned.
It's also possible that he was doing just fine in the physical aspect and money but wasn't meeting her emotional needs. We just don't know the reason because we don't have the details and it's the details that matter when it comes to judging anyone's relationship.

We judge people daily wether we know it or not, and as far possibilities go anything is possible. Because we can not say we know one way or the other a 100%.

But we’re going by what little we have of both parties and the laws we know work in human nature especially female nature.

women are not aroused by men they do not respect, he pedestalized her from the first day they met and paid for her loyalty.

their relationship was purely transactional, and that is something he admitted to several times.

I don’t know if you use to listen to him give advice to men about women, it was all about putting your woman first. And for those of us that know women that’s a no no. Your women cannot be your first priority or your purpose.

Every possibility for and against both your arguments are possible here aswell as you both being wrong.

Money/physical/emotional needs are things you juggle and matter more or less to different people.

When you separate the physical and the emotional, I can’t help but think that your seeing this from a male point of view.

and I say that for the following reason, women’s master neuro regulator is oxytocin. So for women to operate neurologically at an optimal level, they need to have healthy levels of oxytocin.

Good conversation can raise oxytocin so can many other things, but nothing compares to sexual fulfillment except giving birth and breastfeeding a child.

This is why women chase f boys, players etc.. because those guys know this truth.
So they can be stingy, disloyal, selfish, disrespectful. But as long as they are generous with the oxytocin all sins are forgiven. Not forever though but for a long time.


The nice guy uses attention, validation, compliments, gifts, cooperation and understanding.
to get the best out of his women, and wonders why she is always creating problems and bringing drama.


The one thing I love about women is this, no matter if you’re a cheater or a womanizer. Its a guarantee your women will never cheat on you, as long as her needs are met. She does not take chances with such men, it’s easy to find men of means but not of skill. When 80% of women in the sexually free west are physically unsatisfied. We can tell the supply and demand end of this.

do we know anything about his personal life or relationship of camera though? no


how can I be a simp when I value sex in a relationship less than you do?

You think it’s a woman job to please a man, that’s the definition of a simp.

when you asked “what’s the difference between a prostitute you pay and a wife you pay for.

for a simp it’s nothing because in both cases your a trick and women naturally despise tricks.

Btw in Islam it’s a man’s duty to please his wife, I don’t know what you’re following.

 

[cooli3o]

You think it’s a woman job to please a man, that’s the definition of a simp.

What do you think a simp means?

when you asked “what’s the difference between a prostitute you pay and a wife you pay for.

yh thats a question for us to understand what marriage is by comparing it to something else

for a simp it’s nothing because in both cases your a trick and women naturally despise tricks.

not necessarily

Btw in Islam it’s a man’s duty to please his wife, I don’t know what you’re following.

Never said it wasn't
but its also a wifes duty to please her husband

 

[Odious Delirium]

From what I understand he cheated on his former wife as they were separating, before their divorce was finalized.

We judge people daily wether we know it or not, and as far possibilities go anything is possible. Because we can not say we know one way or the other a 100%.

But we’re going by what little we have of both parties and the laws we know work in human nature especially female nature.

women are not aroused by men they do not respect, he pedestalized her from the first day they met and paid for her loyalty.

their relationship was purely transactional, and that is something he admitted to several times.

I don’t know if you use to listen to him give advice to men about women, it was all about putting your woman first. And for those of us that know women that’s a no no. Your women cannot be your first priority or your purpose.

I don't really know much about him at all I never have watched his stuff or know much about any of the stuff he preaches

When you separate the physical and the emotional, I can’t help but think that your seeing this from a male point of view.

I know it's connected my point is leaning into either or varies from person to person. I didn't separate them.

Btw in Islam it’s a man’s duty to please his wife.

I agree
many guys are lacking in that department an think it's manly/Masculine to not please your wife.

 

[Kane]

What do you think a simp means?

yh thats a question for us to understand what marriage is by comparing it to something else


not necessarily

Never said it wasn't
but its also a wifes duty to please her husband

you argue for the sake of argument there is no reasoning with you, believe what you want man. It’s your life.

I don't really know much about him at all I never have watched his stuff or know much about any of the stuff he preaches

He is a brilliant guy who knows a lot about self improvement, making money etc…
But women are his weakness.

I know it's connected my point is leaning into either or varies from person to person. I didn't separate them.

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I agree
many guys are lacking in that department an think it's manly/Masculine to not please your wife.

But paying her money, buying her gold or a car is very masculine lol. I sometimes think they don’t care enough to learn about women’s needs.

 

[cooli3o]

you argue for the sake of argument there is no reasoning with you, believe what you want man. It’s your life.

I really don't, I kept my replies short and too the point.