A counterquestion : Touching a random woman without her consent is sexual abuse. Is touching the naaso of my wife, without her consent, also sexual abuse ?
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A counterquestion : Touching a random woman without her consent is sexual abuse. Is touching the naaso of my wife, without her consent, also sexual abuse ?
More western Xaar. You can literally convince a xalimo to believe in any crap
Alxamdulillah this dumb logic doesn't exist in Somalia
@Samaalic Era
If that is dumb logic, what will you call this?
Disabled Somalis face abuse, discrimination
An international human rights group says decades of conflict and discrimination have left people with disabilities in Somalia vulnerable to forced marriage, violence and rape among other abuses.
Amnesty International on Thursday called on the Somali Federal Government to ensure the rights of people with disabilities are protected in law and in practice.
https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Disabled-Somalis-face-abuse-discrimination-20150312
Does she lose the right to consent once she becomes your wife? Islam stresses kind treatment to wives. If she’s not in the mood why force her? Intimacy is not only physical but you need to be in the right headspace mentally.
I think communication is key really. If you both value each others emotional and mental well-being than this issue would be dealt with in a compassionate manner taking both your needs into account.
Samaalic Era
QurboExit
So you want to compare disabled people being abused to a man being intimate with his wife without her consent, the one person she is going to spend the rest of her life with
Ah Somalia the bastion of human rights, of course it doesn't exist there they're all such intelligent people.More western Xaar. You can literally convince a xalimo to believe in any crap
Alxamdulillah this dumb logic doesn't exist in Somalia
Samaalic Era
QurboExit
So you believe a man can rape his wife. This is next level of madness
Somalia: People with disabilities exploited, raped and abused .
More than two decades of conflict, inadequate health services and discrimination have left people with disabilities in Somalia at risk of forced marriage, violence, rape and repeated forced evictions, said Amnesty International in a new briefing published today.
The briefing, Somalia: Prioritise Protection for People with disabilities, reveals how lack of protection, underpinned by discrimination by families, the public and the state, renders people with disabilities vulnerable to further attack and exploitation.
The briefing builds on previous research by Amnesty International, which documented widespread human rights abuses including rape and sexual violence. It reveals how the lack of respect for the human rights of people with disabilities exposes them to further human rights abuses.
People with disabilities are calling on the Somali Federal Government to accept they are active members of civil society, ensure their rights are recognised and realised and ensure they have access to assistance and services to prevent further abuses.
Forced marriage, rape and violence
During a recent fact-finding mission to Mogadishu in February 2015, Amnesty International’s researchers spoke to dozens of people, mostly with physical disabilities, who spoke of the abuses inflicted on them including rape and beatings. Women and girls with disabilities said they are forced into marriage to older and/or abusive men in their families’ bid to rid themselves of the perceived burden of having disabled children.
"I was 13 years old. My family decided to give me to this man, I refused and ran away. My family sent strong men after me. They caught me, tied my arms and legs and threw me in a room with the man. He beat me since the beginning. His family would say that I was disabled, that I shouldn’t complain. He beats me, slaps, kicks and throttles me…When I escape and go home, my aunt says that I am disabled and returns me back."
Hannan, who became disabled when she was a baby, describes how her family forced her into marriage.
Amnesty International spoke to several women who were attacked specifically because they were disabled and seen as easy targets.
Amran was raped because her attacker knew about her physical disability:
“I woke up in the night, and found that someone had already entered my buul [shelter]. The attacker put a knife to my neck, and told me to keep silent. He told me he would kill me if I shouted. I was crying as I knew I couldn’t do anything. He knew everything [about my disability], so he raped me repeatedly because he knew I was disabled and couldn’t defend myself.”
Amnesty International is calling on the Somali Federal Government to take concrete steps to tackle the continued abuses of people with disabilities, including through the development of a national legal and policy framework and ratification of the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.
Bottom of the pile – internally displaced and disabled
The threat of evictions hangs over all internally displaced people in Mogadishu and other parts of Somalia. In addition, those living with disabilities are forced to live in specific areas within makeshift camps and settlements while some decide to live in separate settlements to support each other. Their problems are compounded compared with those of other internally displaced people – suffering intimidation, theft of food aid by civilians and armed groups and neglect of their specific needs by service providers.They are also at an increased risk of exploitation and violence during forced evictions.
Safiya and her family were attacked and forcibly evicted from their home in 2014. She described the incident to Amnesty International:
“At first they threatened us. They said ‘if you do not remove everything this night, you will see.’ They went away but then came again that night. Four men came with their faces covered. They wanted to rape my daughters. My husband shouted and tried to defend them, so they shot and killed him… My daughter was crying, they had taken her and raped her… Early the next morning they came back and destroyed our buuls [shelters].”
A group of disabled women have been forced to move to the Afgooye corridor where insecurity is rife and access to Mogadishu is difficult. They have been forcibly evicted multiple times in the last few years.
Leyla does not have full use of her hands. She said:
“The businessmen wanted to build houses there [Hodan district, Mogadishu]. Five of them came with guns while one started measuring the land. They told me ‘even if you take your house by your mouth, just move.’ They told me ‘you are disabled, we don’t want to see you near us, just move.’”
Safety in numbers
Groups of people with disabilities have organised themselves for protection in numbers; others have mobilised to demonstrate for their rights.
Instead of being seen as a burden by their families and communities, many people living with disabilities who spoke to Amnesty International wanted to be recognised as agents of change.
Hussein, a disabled person in Mogadishu, said:
“Most Somalis think that disabled people can’t do our own things, that we can’t do anything for ourselves. We feel disappointed. We are able to do things but nobody gives us the opportunity. Nobody fights for our rights… We want you to pass our grievances to the world, to try and help us.”
“People with disabilities in Somalia are excluded, neglected and abused at every level. The Somali Federal Government must now act to show its commitment to ensuring the human rights of all people without discrimination.” said Gemma Davies,
“It must give people with disabilities the chance to actively engage with decision making processes, especially those that most affect them, including in the ongoing constitutional review process and in drafting legal and policy frameworks for people with disabilities.”
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...with-disabilities-exploited-raped-and-abused/
@Samaalic Era
I think your religion tells you that you have to follow the law of the land that you live in and that means if you can't romantically persuade your wife to have an intimate session with her, then there is a problem and you don't have to force yourself into her because you are married to her. You have to respect her decisions and not rape her. Work on your relationship or buy a sex doll.
More than two decades of conflict, inadequate health services and discrimination have left people with disabilities in Somalia at risk of forced marriage, violence, rape and repeated forced evictions, said Amnesty International in a new briefing published today.
The briefing, Somalia: Prioritise Protection for People with disabilities, reveals how lack of protection, underpinned by discrimination by families, the public and the state, renders people with disabilities vulnerable to further attack and exploitation.
The briefing builds on previous research by Amnesty International, which documented widespread human rights abuses including rape and sexual violence. It reveals how the lack of respect for the human rights of people with disabilities exposes them to further human rights abuses.
People with disabilities are calling on the Somali Federal Government to accept they are active members of civil society, ensure their rights are recognised and realised and ensure they have access to assistance and services to prevent further abuses.
Forced marriage, rape and violence
During a recent fact-finding mission to Mogadishu in February 2015, Amnesty International’s researchers spoke to dozens of people, mostly with physical disabilities, who spoke of the abuses inflicted on them including rape and beatings. Women and girls with disabilities said they are forced into marriage to older and/or abusive men in their families’ bid to rid themselves of the perceived burden of having disabled children.
"I was 13 years old. My family decided to give me to this man, I refused and ran away. My family sent strong men after me. They caught me, tied my arms and legs and threw me in a room with the man. He beat me since the beginning. His family would say that I was disabled, that I shouldn’t complain. He beats me, slaps, kicks and throttles me…When I escape and go home, my aunt says that I am disabled and returns me back."
Hannan, who became disabled when she was a baby, describes how her family forced her into marriage.
Amnesty International spoke to several women who were attacked specifically because they were disabled and seen as easy targets.
Amran was raped because her attacker knew about her physical disability:
“I woke up in the night, and found that someone had already entered my buul [shelter]. The attacker put a knife to my neck, and told me to keep silent. He told me he would kill me if I shouted. I was crying as I knew I couldn’t do anything. He knew everything [about my disability], so he raped me repeatedly because he knew I was disabled and couldn’t defend myself.”
Amnesty International is calling on the Somali Federal Government to take concrete steps to tackle the continued abuses of people with disabilities, including through the development of a national legal and policy framework and ratification of the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.
Bottom of the pile – internally displaced and disabled
The threat of evictions hangs over all internally displaced people in Mogadishu and other parts of Somalia. In addition, those living with disabilities are forced to live in specific areas within makeshift camps and settlements while some decide to live in separate settlements to support each other. Their problems are compounded compared with those of other internally displaced people – suffering intimidation, theft of food aid by civilians and armed groups and neglect of their specific needs by service providers.They are also at an increased risk of exploitation and violence during forced evictions.
Safiya and her family were attacked and forcibly evicted from their home in 2014. She described the incident to Amnesty International:
“At first they threatened us. They said ‘if you do not remove everything this night, you will see.’ They went away but then came again that night. Four men came with their faces covered. They wanted to rape my daughters. My husband shouted and tried to defend them, so they shot and killed him… My daughter was crying, they had taken her and raped her… Early the next morning they came back and destroyed our buuls [shelters].”
A group of disabled women have been forced to move to the Afgooye corridor where insecurity is rife and access to Mogadishu is difficult. They have been forcibly evicted multiple times in the last few years.
Leyla does not have full use of her hands. She said:
“The businessmen wanted to build houses there [Hodan district, Mogadishu]. Five of them came with guns while one started measuring the land. They told me ‘even if you take your house by your mouth, just move.’ They told me ‘you are disabled, we don’t want to see you near us, just move.’”
Safety in numbers
Groups of people with disabilities have organised themselves for protection in numbers; others have mobilised to demonstrate for their rights.
Instead of being seen as a burden by their families and communities, many people living with disabilities who spoke to Amnesty International wanted to be recognised as agents of change.
Hussein, a disabled person in Mogadishu, said:
“Most Somalis think that disabled people can’t do our own things, that we can’t do anything for ourselves. We feel disappointed. We are able to do things but nobody gives us the opportunity. Nobody fights for our rights… We want you to pass our grievances to the world, to try and help us.”
“People with disabilities in Somalia are excluded, neglected and abused at every level. The Somali Federal Government must now act to show its commitment to ensuring the human rights of all people without discrimination.” said Gemma Davies,
“It must give people with disabilities the chance to actively engage with decision making processes, especially those that most affect them, including in the ongoing constitutional review process and in drafting legal and policy frameworks for people with disabilities.”
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...with-disabilities-exploited-raped-and-abused/
So you want to compare disabled people being abused to a man being intimate with his wife without her consent, the one person she is going to spend the rest of her life with
@Samaalic Era
I think your religion tells you that you have to follow the law of the land that you live in and that means if you can't romantically persuade your wife to have an intimate session with her, then there is a problem and you don't have to force yourself into her because you are married to her. You have to respect her decisions and not rape her. Work on your relationship or buy a sex doll.
Your text is very general and yes Islam stresses kind treatment between the two partners. However I have good reason to dismiss this as rape for the following reasons.
1)even the liberal white countries did not classify this as rape until a few years ago, but sexual assault, because technically speaking a husband cannot rape his own wife. So just because white in the late 20th century and early 21th centry changed their law and recently classified it as rape, Somalis and Muslims have to follow ? This is colonialism at it's best. Whenever the whites change a world wide accepted code of law, why do have Xalimos have the feeling, they have to defend this as if this is a basic human right ?
2) It is an insult for real rape victims. Since a wife has already regularly sex with her husband and is just for a specific moment against it, the consequences are not even close to the women who get raped by strangers or people they never had and never wanted to have sex to begin with. You are making the act of rape very trivial. The wife will easily coexist with her husband after talking about this issue, whereas real rape victims are traumatised for their whole life.
How is this madness? Why would you force someone to have sex with you. Do you not understand how fucked that is?So you believe a man can rape his wife. This is next level of madness
@Abdurahman_somali already explained this.How is this madness? Why would you force someone to have sex with you. Do you not understand how fucked that is?
Your text is very general and yes Islam stresses kind treatment between the two partners. However I have good reason to dismiss this as rape for the following reasons.
1) Even the liberal white countries did not classify this as rape until a few years ago, but sexual assault, because technically speaking a husband cannot rape his own wife. So just because white in the late 20th century and early 21th centry changed their law and recently classified it as rape, Somalis and Muslims have to follow? This is colonialism at it's best. Whenever the whites change a world wide accepted code of law, why do have Xalimos have the feeling, they have to defend this as if this is a basic human right ?
2) It is an insult for real rape victims. Since a wife has already regularly sex with her husband and is just for a specific moment against it, the consequences are not even close to the women who get raped by strangers or people they never had and neverwanted to have sex to begin with. You are making the act of rape very trivial. The wife will easily coexist with her husband after talking about this issue, whereas real rape victims are traumatised for their whole life.
VixR
Veritas
Women don’t typically get raped by strangers. They get raped my people they know, and that’s more traumatizing, not less.
Samaalic Era
QurboExit
Abuse of any form I condemn sxb. No man is gonna force his wife and be violent. What I'm addressing is that martial rape is BS and does not exist
Read again. As I said either strangers or people they did not want to have sex with. Wives have sex with their husbands on a regular basis, hence this is not even close as traumatizing as with someone else - let it be someone you know or a stranger.
She's not allowed to say no..
If she refuses there is other ways to punish her. Just get a side chick.
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