Kacaan 2.0

[DR OSMAN]

I defeat you in 2 hr August 25 2023

If I was @Garaad Awal I would've hided my face like @ZodiaK did. Zodiak knows his ppl have been disarmed

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

What heavy lefting? The Ogaden were camping in the borders of Kenya in Afmadow from 1993 to 2006 because they couldn't face the powerful militia of Morgan (Marehan & Harti 1993- 1999) or the next JVA alliance who kicked out Morgan from Kismayo in 99.

Did read your own sources you copy and paste?

perhaps a more existential challenge came from the Ogadeen clans, who were dominant across much of Lower and Middle Jubba.Footnote38 Although the military role of the SPM-Ogadeen had diminished after it was ousted from Kismayo in 1993, Ogadeen clan militias continued to play a key political role in Lower Jubba and remained a potential military threat to anyone who ruled Kismayo.Footnote39 Parts of the area outside Kismayo, especially around Afmadow and Dhobley, were de facto ruled by the Ogadeen. In order to keep the Ogadeen at bay, Barre Hiiraale, soon after his take-over of Kismayo, arranged a large-scale meeting with Ogadeen traditional elders and agreed on non-interference into the others’ interests; i.e. Hiiraale

This way more than just camping outside of the Kenyan border.
The main reason why JVA left MRK alone because their were mainly focused on fighting against Ethiopia

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

My man tried to pass the weak Ras Kamboni militia as a founder member of ICU. ICU (particularly the small Al Shabaab faction led by HG) captured Kismayo by sheer reputation alone

HG leaving JVA and allowing ICU to take Kismayo without a battle says more about the former than RK.

the HG in JVA Walaalaha Galgaduud alliance have more claim to ICU than opportunist Turki and his Ogaden militia who couldn't liberate their own back yard.

if read the article you cited it states RK was solely focus on their operations against Ethiopia until ICU decided it needed a HQ in Kismayo. also Hassan Turki was a veteran of Jihad movement since Narallah in the Sixties

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17531055.2020.1789929

 

[Jungle]

We all know you Hiraabs hate each other just like these Darods hate each other. Been iskuma sheegi karno sxb. Daarood maxaa la dhahaa?

We do not hate eachother at all taada ka hadashay sxb Don't let these guys on fb fool you lol there will never be a conflict again between us again. Politics is politics. Meel kasto nabad aa iskula deganahay

You and marexaan is something else if there wasn't shabab as a buffer you'd be fighting rn.

 

[Yazi]

What part of what you posted refutes my original statement? Ogaden did the heavy lifting in kicking out Barre Hiiraale from Kismayo. That's why there's the famous BBC interview of him claiming ONLF attacked him lol. You can still find it on youtube, straight from the horse's mouth. And it is a fact Ogaden soldiers fought in Xamar against the warlords with the ICU

You made it sound like Turki's troops were a decisive factor in ICU winning against ARPCT in Mogadishu or that you did the "heavy lifting" of kicking Barre Hiraale from Kismayo in 2006 when he fled on his own with out fighting.

 

[Yazi]

Did read your own sources you copy and paste?

This way more than just camping outside of the Kenyan border.
The main reason why JVA left MRK alone because their were mainly focused on fighting against Ethiopia

Re-read my post. They couldn't capture Kismayo for 13 years without ICU & later KDF. You cousin attributed ICU capture of Kismayo to Ogaden militia when it was captured by without a single bullet. Ogaden militia were minor player in Kismayo and it's rather clear they couldn't capture it alone.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Re-read my post. They couldn't capture Kismayo for 13 years without ICU & later KDF.

Local Ogaden clan militias didn't attempt to capture Kismayo until 2006. this included RK.
also saying they couldn't capture without ICU when Hassan Turki was a senior leader of the org is pretty funny.

You cousin attributed ICU capture of Kismayo to Ogaden militia when it was captured by without a single bullet. Ogaden militia were minor player in Kismayo and it's rather clear they couldn't capture it alone.

the Ogadeen-dominated MRK group constituted a major part of the Islamist force in Lower Jubba

 

[Yazi]

Local Ogaden clan militias didn't attempt to capture Kismayo until 2006. this included RK

And we all knew why they didn't attempt to capture Kismayo.

also saying they couldn't capture without ICU when Hassan Turki was a senior leader of the org is pretty funny.

You know what's funny, grabbing on ICU coattails and attributing their accomplishment to Ras Kamboni/Ogaden militia.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

And we all knew why they didn't attempt to capture Kismayo.

because they were fighting Ethiopia, it's in the article you copied and pasted.

You know what's funny, grabbing on ICU coattails and attributing their accomplishment to Ras Kamboni/Ogaden militia.

Ras Kamboni is ICU. Hassan Turki was part of the Islamist movement before the fall Barre Regime.
again, How can ride the coattails of movement if you're a senior leader of it?

 

[Yazi]

because they were fighting Ethiopia, it's in the article you copied and pasted.

And they couldn't capture it by themselves. For 13 years.

Ras Kamboni is ICU. Hassan Turki was part of the Islamist movement before the fall Barre Regime.
again, How can ride the coattails of movement if you're a senior leader of it?

No it's not and you're being intentionally misleading. Being part of Itixad Al Islamiya does not equal to being part of ICU. The same document says you developed independently and only jumped in the last moment. It also said no one in Kismayo heard of Ras Kamboni before 2006. Like I said, you're riding off ICU name. And even the negotiations happened way later in 2006, why would you negotiate if you're in the same organization?

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

And they couldn't capture it by themselves. For 13 years.

Ogaden lost kismayo because they were disarmed by the Belgium yet we were still a threat.

In order to keep the Ogadeen at bay, Barre Hiiraale, soon after his take-over of Kismayo, arranged a large-scale meeting with Ogadeen traditional elders and agreed on non-interference into the others’ interests; i.e. Hiiraale and his Habergedir allies should be allowed to rule Kismayo, while the Ogadeen should be left undisturbed in their own main areas of influence.

No it's not and you're being intentionally misleading. Being part of Itixad Al Islamiya does not equal to being part of ICU. The same document says you developed independently and only jumped in the last moment.

It also said no one in Kismayo heard of Ras Kamboni before 2006. Like I said, you're riding off ICU name.

And even the negotiations happened way later in 2006, why would you negotiate if you're in the same organization?

you know ICU armed wing was a collection of multiple clan militia right?

 

[Yazi]

Ogaden lost kismayo because they were disarmed by the Belgium yet we were still a threat.


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you know ICU armed wing was a collection of multiple clan militia right?

Again with the misleading. The report you quoted is from 2008, well after the demise of ICU.

Somalia’s al-Shabab Reconstitutes Fighting Force – Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

In January 2008, the African Union (AU) issued a warning that the Somali radical militant group al-Shabab had expanded its activities to areas outside of Mogadishu and were training new recruits and planning attacks. The statement is significant for two reasons. It was the first public admission...

ctc.westpoint.edu

We're talking about 1998 - 2004 the origins of Islamic Court Union formative years. At that time Turki was fighting Ethiopia in Gedo so he didn't really have anything to do with ICU. Infact your own source doubles down on Al Shabaab being created by Aden Xashi Ayrow, the real founder and his fanatic HG loyalists in Mogadishu. The fact you weren't part of ICU or Al Shabaab before 2006 alone is enough prove you were never a founding member of it.

Nothing about Turki or Ogaden till 2006.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Again with the misleading. The report you quoted is from 2008, well after the demise of ICU.

Somalia’s al-Shabab Reconstitutes Fighting Force – Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

In January 2008, the African Union (AU) issued a warning that the Somali radical militant group al-Shabab had expanded its activities to areas outside of Mogadishu and were training new recruits and planning attacks. The statement is significant for two reasons. It was the first public admission...

ctc.westpoint.edu

We're talking about 1998 - 2004 the origins of Islamic Court Union formative years. At that time Turki was fighting Ethiopia in Gedo so he didn't really have anything to do with ICU. Infact your own source doubles down on Al Shabaab being created by Aden Xashi Ayrow, the real founder and his fanatic HG loyalists in Mogadishu. The fact you weren't part of ICU or Al Shabaab before 2006 alone is enough prove you were never a founding member of it.
Nothing about Turki or Ogaden till 2006.

He joined the ICU in 2004 and he was already part of the Global Jihad movement before 2001.
no one arguing that AS isn't a mainly HG group initially.

 

[Yazi]

He joined the ICU in 2004 and he was already part of the Global Jihad movement before 2001.
no one arguing that AS isn't a mainly HG group initially.

You have to give a source for 2004 claim. My source clearly says they started negotiations with Al Shabaab faction of Salah Aldiin to set a foothold in Kismayo.


Before that he was part of Itixad Al Islamiya, a terrorist movement that fought Ethiopia. Ixtihad Al Islamiya is not the same as ICU and while ICUe had many elements of Itixad and probably knew each other they were separate militia.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

You have to give a source for 2004 claim. My source clearly says they started negotiations with Al Shabaab faction of Salah Aldiin to set a foothold in Kismayo.
Before that he was part of Itixad Al Islamiya, a terrorist movement that fought Ethiopia. Ixtihad Al Islamiya is not the same as ICU and while ICUe had many elements of Itixad and probably knew each other they were separate militia.

Somalia in Transition Since 2006 page 109

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