Just watched a 5h long interview with former sr Sudani secret agent about Horn of Africa and Ethiopia

It's based on modern ethnonationalism fostered from the relations with people south of them throughout the early "modern" to extant times. They had greater coherent will as their experiences were coherent. They experienced several famines and bombardments from the Showan-Amhara powers that later gave much land away to the loyal local gentry, moreover, raising the taxes five times higher. Haile Selassie took away the hereditary power of the Tigray leaders, instead giving them to Showan administrators. Derg communists undermined their sense of representation by implementing a systematic, centralized homogenization campaign that they felt repressed them. The Tigray people also did not like the Amhara centralization of the government, represented in the linguistic predominance and generally high cultural Amhara vernacular within the state body.

These people had built collective resentment and channeled them through fighting. It's because of their specific history and regional and demographic background than any specialty.

Either way, when they use the power themselves, they are, more or less, more of the same to us Somalis, so it does not matter much who is in power, as we have seen during Ethiopia's history. The only people that are outgroup and should receive separate consideration are the Eritreans. The rest are compromised: Oromo, Tigray, Amhara, and all these other minor groups that, on the surface, don't look different from those mentioned peoples because of the influence they received from the centralization of Ethiopia, want the same Ethiopia, only with their people represented at the helm. They all want the same destination but want to be the driver of the car and choose what route is the best to that destination. That destination is contrary to Somali interests.

When analyzing Ethiopia, discern how their macro-longterm interests are consistent with little to no deviating effects despite the often volatile domestic affairs, with volatility not shifting from the long-term policies, nor do they change opinion on foreign policy to the degree of the domestic political drama. People make this mistake often. You might see them employ several strategies to meet those same interests but don't make the mistake of perceiving that as fundamentally different.
 
The religious divide inside the Oromo is going to intensify as Oromo Christians continue to convert to Pentay. These Evangelicals will become ever more influenced by anti Muslim sentiment and will in all likelihood refuse to balkanize Ethiopia when the time comes.

Also, as Christian Oromo have urbanized, they have continued to Amharize. Oromo nationalism is more powerful when it is in the countryside. Oromo Christians like Abiy, Shimelis, Adanech etc.. continue to buy into the Abyssinian "Christian Island" myth. Urbanization kills Oromummaa. The window for the preservation of Oromo identity, and especially the Oromo identity of Christian Oromo, is closing.

By 2100, the Amhara may end up assimilating all Oromo west of the Rift Valley by selling them the opium of Ethiopiawinet.

Oromo as a first language is declining even in the Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne.
  • Out of 371 kindergartens in the Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne, only 38 or 10% are Afan Oromo only
  • Out of 199 primary schools in the Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne, only 27 or 13.6% are Afan Oromo only
  • 81% of kindergartens in the Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne are Amharic only
  • 70% of primary schools in the Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne are Amharic only
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57.7% of all students in the Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne have parents whose mother tongue is Afan Oromo, but only 49% of all students can speak Afan Oromo as their mother tongue. So 15% of children with two Oromo parents cannot speak Afan Oromo. Oromo are still being Amharized 33 years after the fall of the Derg.
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This is the fate of all Oromo as urbanization continues.
Language Use and Lingo-Cultural Identity among Linguistically Diverse Young People in Sheger Sub-cities Surrounding the Capital City of Ethiopia


You're implying Muslim Oromo want to balkanize Ethiopia, which is false. I can understand why Somalis want Ethiopia to disintegrate (until they see the consequences are non stop border wars, which make Ethiopias current situation look like a walk in the park). But Oromos, are different.
The only way that would gain popularity is if somehow, Amara extremist-elites, get power.. which is very unlikely seeing as how they lack allies throughout Ethiopia, especially in Oromia.
This aint the days of haile Selassie and menelik.

As far as the language thing goes, it's a non-issue because many Oromo see Amharic as our 2nd language, not as a "colonizers language." In my family for example, everyone speaks 2 or more languages, which includes Amharic and Afaan Oromo. My dad spoke about 5 languages: Somali, Amharic, Afaan Oromo, etc. Knowing many languages is an asset, not a liability, even IF its "the language of the colonizers."
Oromo nationalism and it's potency, strength, etc, isn't only or necessarily dependent upon the language alone. Enough Oromo speak it and are learning it, writing in it, developing it, etc, for it to always exist.
 
You're implying Muslim Oromo want to balkanize Ethiopia, which is false. I can understand why Somalis want Ethiopia to disintegrate (until they see the consequences are non stop border wars, which make Ethiopias current situation look like a walk in the park). But Oromos, are different.
The only way that would gain popularity is if somehow, Amara extremist-elites, get power.. which is very unlikely seeing as how they lack allies throughout Ethiopia, especially in Oromia.
This aint the days of haile Selassie and menelik.

As far as the language thing goes, it's a non-issue because many Oromo see Amharic as our 2nd language, not as a "colonizers language." In my family for example, everyone speaks 2 or more languages, which includes Amharic and Afaan Oromo. My dad spoke about 5 languages: Somali, Amharic, Afaan Oromo, etc. Knowing many languages is an asset, not a liability, even IF its "the language of the colonizers."
Oromo nationalism and it's potency, strength, etc, isn't only or necessarily dependent upon the language alone. Enough Oromo speak it and are learning it, writing in it, developing it, etc, for it to always exist.
But remeber that muslim vs christian oromos could resembel that of lebnon
 

Thegoodshepherd

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You're implying Muslim Oromo want to balkanize Ethiopia, which is false.
  • I said that most Christian Oromo, who are being Amharized, will refuse to balkanize Ethiopia when the time comes. I assume outright that Ethiopia will balkanize at some point because it will NEVER democratize. ps. Abiy and the Habesha wannabes are already discussing splitting Oromia, Amhara and Somali regions arguing that they are “too big”.
The only way that would gain popularity is if somehow, Amara extremist-elites, get power.. which is very unlikely seeing as how they lack allies throughout Ethiopia, especially in Oromia.
  • If Oromo Christians continue to urbanize in cities like Addis, Bishoftu, Adama etc where the language of the city is Amharic, and adopt Amharic as the language of education and business, it is all over. In that case the Oromo Christians will be absorbed into the Amhara. They will become Ethiopianists. See: Abiy & Co
As far as the language thing goes, it's a non-issue because many Oromo see Amharic as our 2nd language, not as a "colonizers language." In my family for example, everyone speaks 2 or more languages, which includes Amharic and Afaan Oromo. My dad spoke about 5 languages: Somali, Amharic, Afaan Oromo, etc.
  • That you think having virtually all Oromo be bilingual and virtually all Amhara remain monolingual is a sustainable situation shows that YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LINGUISTIC COMPETITION WORKS! That is what linguists call an "unstable equilibrium". If in each generation 15% of fully Oromo children cannot speak Afaan Oromo, you are a dead people walking. Oromo will, in that case, be effectively assimilated in 2-3 generations. Almost ALL Oromo parents are putting their kindergarteners in Amharic only schools when they are given a choice. If the reason for this is that Afan Oromo has become coded as undesirable, a language of farmers unfit for urban life, then that is is how Afan Oromo begins to die.
Knowing many languages is an asset, not a liability, even IF its "the language of the colonizers."
  • If knowing many languages is an asset, why do Amhara refuse to learn Afan Oromo? Why don't any Somalis learn Oromo in school? Knowing Oromo does nothing for you since almost all Oromo who matter also speak Amharic.
Oromo nationalism and it's potency, strength, etc, isn't only or necessarily dependent upon the language alone.
  • You can't have Oromo nationalism while your language is in decline, and it is as of now in fast decline. Language is the heart & soul of national feeling. Even more than religion in most cases.
Enough Oromo speak it and are learning it, writing in it, developing it, etc, for it to always exist.
  • I literally showed you the evidence. There are not enough Oromo learning Afan Oromo to sustain the present level of the language, if the Finfine Special Zone is anything to go by.
 
  • I said that most Christian Oromo, who are being Amharized, will refuse to balkanize Ethiopia when the time comes. I assume outright that Ethiopia will balkanize at some point because it will NEVER democratize. ps. Abiy and the Habesha wannabes are already discussing splitting Oromia, Amhara and Somali regions arguing that they are “too big”.

  • If Oromo Christians continue to urbanize in cities like Addis, Bishoftu, Adama etc where the language of the city is Amharic, and adopt Amharic as the language of education and business, it is all over. In that case the Oromo Christians will be absorbed into the Amhara. They will become Ethiopianists. See: Abiy & Co

  • That you think having virtually all Oromo be bilingual and virtually all Amhara remain monolingual is a sustainable situation shows that YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LINGUISTIC COMPETITION WORKS! That is what linguists call an "unstable equilibrium". If in each generation 15% of fully Oromo children cannot speak Afaan Oromo, you are a dead people walking. Oromo will, in that case, be effectively assimilated in 2-3 generations. Almost ALL Oromo parents are putting their kindergarteners in Amharic only schools when they are given a choice. If the reason for this is that Afan Oromo has become coded as undesirable, a language of farmers unfit for urban life, then that is is how Afan Oromo begins to die.

  • If knowing many languages is an asset, why do Amhara refuse to learn Afan Oromo? Why don't any Somalis learn Oromo in school? Knowing Oromo does nothing for you since almost all Oromo who matter also speak Amharic.

  • You can't have Oromo nationalism while your language is in decline, and it is as of now in fast decline. Language is the heart & soul of national feeling. Even more than religion in most cases.

  • I literally showed you the evidence. There are not enough Oromo learning Afan Oromo to sustain the present level of the language, if the Finfine Special Zone is anything to go by.
He’s a dumbass oromo waa qomiyad laga qusta
 
  • I said that most Christian Oromo, who are being Amharized, will refuse to balkanize Ethiopia when the time comes. I assume outright that Ethiopia will balkanize at some point because it will NEVER democratize. ps. Abiy and the Habesha wannabes are already discussing splitting Oromia, Amhara and Somali regions arguing that they are “too big”.

  • If Oromo Christians continue to urbanize in cities like Addis, Bishoftu, Adama etc where the language of the city is Amharic, and adopt Amharic as the language of education and business, it is all over. In that case the Oromo Christians will be absorbed into the Amhara. They will become Ethiopianists. See: Abiy & Co

  • That you think having virtually all Oromo be bilingual and virtually all Amhara remain monolingual is a sustainable situation shows that YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LINGUISTIC COMPETITION WORKS! That is what linguists call an "unstable equilibrium". If in each generation 15% of fully Oromo children cannot speak Afaan Oromo, you are a dead people walking. Oromo will, in that case, be effectively assimilated in 2-3 generations. Almost ALL Oromo parents are putting their kindergarteners in Amharic only schools when they are given a choice. If the reason for this is that Afan Oromo has become coded as undesirable, a language of farmers unfit for urban life, then that is is how Afan Oromo begins to die.

  • If knowing many languages is an asset, why do Amhara refuse to learn Afan Oromo? Why don't any Somalis learn Oromo in school? Knowing Oromo does nothing for you since almost all Oromo who matter also speak Amharic.

  • You can't have Oromo nationalism while your language is in decline, and it is as of now in fast decline. Language is the heart & soul of national feeling. Even more than religion in most cases.

  • I literally showed you the evidence. There are not enough Oromo learning Afan Oromo to sustain the present level of the language, if the Finfine Special Zone is anything to go by.


Saying Ethiopia will balkanize, is saying that you know the future, essentially. You can theorize and speculate, even based on perceived or real evidence, but it doesn't guarantee it will occur.
Also, you show your don't know much about the Pente Oromo, because they were the same ones who started the Western Oromo confederation when the British invaded Ethiopia to help kick out the Italians (1940-1941) and they wanted to be a protectorate until they could completely separate from Ethiopia/Abyssinia. They are among the fiercest opponents of the Amara extremists who want to bring back the old system of governance.
Hence the reason why the OLA enjoys massive support in Wallaga. The area where the Pente Oromo are the majority, the same people you said "wouldn't want to balkanize Ethiopia when the time comes." So if that time came, they'd be among the first ones. The few Oromo elites like abiy don't represent us all. Not to mention that, under federalism, we have no need to secede. When we can dominate Ethiopia.

Speaking Amharic doesn't mean being assimilated fully and becoming apart of the Amara, otherwise, the Christian areas bordering them wouldn't be one of the major conflict areas between these two groups. Among other things.

OROMIA by far is rural, the finfinne special zone is a minority in Oromia, as is all urbanized areas.
In the rural areas, the children are brought up speaking Afaan Oromo primarily and Amharic is 2nd if at all.
Finfinne zone is not what you should go by, unless you are into deliberately distorting facts.
 

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  • I said that most Christian Oromo, who are being Amharized, will refuse to balkanize Ethiopia when the time comes. I assume outright that Ethiopia will balkanize at some point because it will NEVER democratize. ps. Abiy and the Habesha wannabes are already discussing splitting Oromia, Amhara and Somali regions arguing that they are “too big”.
sxb dont underestimate the ability of oromos to drag the corpse of ethiopia. they really believe in ethiopia and dont see it as a colonial state that subjugated them.
 
I wish you would say that to my face in real life my brother. It'd definitely be an interesting thing to see. These fast hard hitting Oromo hands ain't no joke.
Is it your custom to attack someone who tells the truth? If the oromo language is under attack and oromo intellectuals view Amharaziation as a good thing, then oromos are doomed.
 

Thegoodshepherd

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Saying Ethiopia will balkanize, is saying that you know the future, essentially. You can theorize and speculate, even based on perceived or real evidence, but it doesn't guarantee it will occur.
Also, you show your don't know much about the Pente Oromo, because they were the same ones who started the Western Oromo confederation when the British invaded Ethiopia to help kick out the Italians (1940-1941) and they wanted to be a protectorate until they could completely separate from Ethiopia/Abyssinia. They are among the fiercest opponents of the Amara extremists who want to bring back the old system of governance.
Hence the reason why the OLA enjoys massive support in Wallaga. The area where the Pente Oromo are the majority, the same people you said "wouldn't want to balkanize Ethiopia when the time comes." So if that time came, they'd be among the first ones. The few Oromo elites like abiy don't represent us all. Not to mention that, under federalism, we have no need to secede. When we can dominate Ethiopia.

Speaking Amharic doesn't mean being assimilated fully and becoming apart of the Amara, otherwise, the Christian areas bordering them wouldn't be one of the major conflict areas between these two groups. Among other things.

OROMIA by far is rural, the finfinne special zone is a minority in Oromia, as is all urbanized areas.
In the rural areas, the children are brought up speaking Afaan Oromo primarily and Amharic is 2nd if at all.
Finfinne zone is not what you should go by, unless you are into deliberately distorting facts.

Almost all major urban settings in Oromia, which are the future megacities of Oromia, are Amharic speaking. Afaan Oromo is largely decorative. This is a study on Adama, Jimma and Sabata. Afaan Oromo is used as decoration in most of Oromia's cities and Amharic is the language in which information is conveyed. As more and more people urbanize this is the culture into which they will assimilate. Absolutely cucked.

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An analysis of linguistic landscape of selected towns in Oromia: An ethnolinguistic vitality study
 

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Almost all major urban settings in Oromia, which are the future megacities of Oromia, are Amharic speaking. Afaan Oromo is largely decorative. This is a study on Adama, Jimma and Sabata. Afaan Oromo is used as decoration in most of Oromia's cities and Amharic is the language in which information is conveyed. As more and more people urbanize this is the culture into which they will assimilate. Absolutely cucked.

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An analysis of linguistic landscape of selected towns in Oromia: An ethnolinguistic vitality study
Religiously bifurcated, Linguistically bifurcated, culturally bifurcated, etc. Oromo nationalism isn't nearly enough of a stabilizing force for a country as big as Ethiopia. Total dead end ideology.
 

Thegoodshepherd

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Religiously bifurcated, Linguistically bifurcated, culturally bifurcated, etc. Oromo nationalism isn't nearly enough of a stabilizing force for a country as big as Ethiopia. Total dead end ideology.
Crazy thing is that they have the power to make their language supreme inside of their region. They can just ban all schools, including private ones, from teaching Amharic until high school. Boom done. This would ensure that Amharic becomes & remains a secondary language in Oromia.

What I realized is that Oromo want to become Xabash. They just want to be accepted. All of this huuhaa about nationalism, liberation etc.. is a front. The only real anti-xabash group in Ethiopia are Somalis.
 
Crazy thing is that they have the power to make their language supreme inside of their region. They can just ban all schools, including private ones, from teaching Amharic until high school. Boom done. This would ensure that Amharic becomes & remains a secondary language in Oromia.

What I realized is that Oromo want to become Xabash. They just want to be accepted. All of this huuhaa about nationalism, liberation etc.. is a front. The only real anti-xabash group in Ethiopia are Somalis.
They’re too stupid to know they will always be Galla baria to Amhara and Tigray. I’ve soured on Oromo heavily since speaking to people like the so called “intellectual” in this thread.
 
They’re too stupid to know they will always be Galla baria to Amhara and Tigray. I’ve soured on Oromo heavily since speaking to people like the so called “intellectual” in this thread.
We don't care about what others think of us we rule Ethiopia that is all that matters :nvjpqts:
 
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