Islamic-relief.org.uk. ''Mogadishu was founded by settlers in the 8th century''

[dhaxabaay]

There’s so much disinformation online regarding Somali history

Definitely targeted erasure of Somali presence in the Somali peninsula with academic figures having a clear anthropological bias towards ethnic Somalis.

 

[livinlavish]

Im literally just sharing knowledge, tell me how Im trolling ?

People cant tell if your trolling or actually being genuine. Stop acting like an ciyaal and people will start taking you serious. I seen from your previous posts your quite knowledgeable on somali history so stop acting like a garac and people will start to listen to what you have to say

 

[Guure⁸]

It means red in arabic Im pretty sure, but maybe its somali

Axmar means red in arabic not xamar u ain't fooling me lil nga

 

[Zak12]

It doesnt date back to colonial times

The idea of Mogadishu being founded by Arabs does indeed date back to the 19th/20th century, no oral or written sources before that had ever mentioned Xamar being foreign.

what brings you to the conclusion that gibil madow founded it ?

The largest and oldest clans of Xamar are all gibil madow, as per tradition.

There is other evidence that ethnic Somali clans founded the city too like the oldest graves being Somali or Greco-Roman sources outright talking about Somalis living in the Mogadishu area.

 

[dhaxabaay]

Ar@bs will soon be arguing aboriginal Australians were arab once upon a time because they use body paints that are similar to henna.

Somali historians need to make gateways into studying our own history before they start arguing that Somalis learned to breathe from Arabian travellers.

Hopefully more diaspora find themselves in the fields of arts/sciences/humanities instead of riding the Computer science/Nursing wave. It’d be beneficial

 

[Barkhadle1520]

People cant tell if your trolling or actually being genuine. Stop acting like an ciyaal and people will start taking you serious. I seen from your previous posts your quite knowledgeable on somali history so stop acting like a garac and people will start to listen to what you have to say

You can clearly tell when Im being sarcastic or not, you guys are just really studid honestly

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Axmar means red in arabic not xamar u ain't fooling me lil nga

This is not my own conclusion I read this on paper but youre probably right

 

[Guure⁸]

The idea of Mogadishu being founded by Arabs does indeed date back to the 19th/20th century, no oral or written sources before that had ever mentioned Xamar being foreign.

The largest and oldest clans of Xamar are all gibil madow, as per tradition.

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There is other evidence that ethnic Somali clans founded the city too like the oldest graves being Somali or Greco-Roman sources outright talking about Somalis living in the Mogadishu area.

Send the evidence bro

 

[Barkhadle1520]

The idea of Mogadishu being founded by Arabs does indeed date back to the 19th/20th century, no oral or written sources before that had ever mentioned Xamar being foreign.

I wish I didn't have to resort to this cause Cadcads will definitely use this against you southerners but here is book from 1575 saying Arabs were the first to come to this country and I cut the rest, I've been researching about this for at least a year dont think Im not familiar with the topic. And if you wanna go deeper into this I will even show you the primary account hes quoting.

https://books.google.com/books?id=uHRoAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA95-IA1&dq=royaume+magadaxo&hl=fr&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLqrqOtISGAxWRgf0HHR6WD-EQ6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=royaume%20magadaxo&f=false

 

[Zak12]

Send the evidence bro

Read the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, an ancient Roman document that wrote about Somalis.

As for the graves, here it is.

Cadcads will definitely use this against you southerners

They will use a tertiary source against southerners? Right...

will even show you the primary account hes quoting.

Please do so.

 

[reer]

It means red in arabic Im pretty sure, but maybe its somali

Axmar means red in arabic not xamar u ain't fooling me lil nga

xamar​

(Magac Lab Khabar | Noun Masculine Predicate)

X. ah: midab guduudan.
https://qaamuus.net/ereyga/?raadi=xamar


the word xamraa' حَمْراء is the feminine word for red.


The Alhambra (/ælˈhæmbrə/, Spanish: [aˈlambɾa]; Arabic: الْحَمْرَاء, romanized: al-ḥamrāʼ ) is a palace and fortress complex located in Granada, Spain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra

Al-Hamra neighborhood is a famous neighborhood in Riyadh.
حي الحمراء هو حي شهير في الرياض
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/الحمراء_(الرياض)

 

[Medeea]

Im not arguing about the xamar part, and this is not how history works, Ajuran pre 1000AD spreading islam in the interior ? The oldest somali clans such as dir didnt even exist at that time.. This ajuran BS is starting to get ridiculous. The Persian theory is even worse.

I challenge you to bring a single primary source of this, and if you do wallahi I will never mention this again.

You’re just a confused sanbusalander who after finding out Isaaqs aren’t descendants of the Prophet or even a real clan, went off the rails. Now you think everyone else’s history and identity is fake news.

I can go on… but thread will be moved to FDK section lool

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Read the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, an ancient Roman document that wrote about Somalis.

As for the graves, here it is.

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What does a tomb in 1365 have to do with this

Please do so.

Ok

 

[Barkhadle1520]

You’re just a confused sanbusalander who after finding out Isaaqs aren’t descendants of the Prophet or even a real clan, went off the rails. Now you think everyone else’s history and identity is fake news.

I can go on… but thread will be moved to FDK section lool

>Gets disproved
>Immdiately starts FKding

This cant be real lmao, instead of talking about my clan why dont you stay on topic and evidence your claim ? I swore that I would never touch this topic again if you found evidence to it.

 

[JamalFarah]

I wish I didn't have to resort to this cause Cadcads will definitely use this against you southerners but here is book from 1575 saying Arabs were the first to come to this country and I cut the rest, I've been researching about this for at least a year dont think Im not familiar with the topic. And if you wanna go deeper into this I will even show you the primary account hes quoting.

https://books.google.com/books?id=uHRoAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA95-IA1&dq=royaume+magadaxo&hl=fr&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLqrqOtISGAxWRgf0HHR6WD-EQ6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=royaume%20magadaxo&f=false

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All of this misses the larger point, the elephant in the room, which is that there simply aren't any Arabs in Somalia in any meaningful or indigenous sense. Preliminary genetic results on Cadcads, have shown them to be primarily Bantu-Indian with a significant Somali component.

To put this in perspective: arguing that Arabs founded Somali cities is like claiming that Beijing was founded by Romans, based on the assumption that I and all other Somalis somehow fall under the “Roman” category. It’s a misrepresentation of both history and identity. Most CadCads are the descendants of Indian merchant that came during the heyday of the Swahili trade between the 1800s and 1900s.

 

[Guure⁸]

xamar​

(Magac Lab Khabar | Noun Masculine Predicate)

X. ah: midab guduudan.
https://qaamuus.net/ereyga/?raadi=xamar


the word xamraa' حَمْراء is the feminine word for red.


The Alhambra (/ælˈhæmbrə/, Spanish: [aˈlambɾa]; Arabic: الْحَمْرَاء, romanized: al-ḥamrāʼ ) is a palace and fortress complex located in Granada, Spain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra

Al-Hamra neighborhood is a famous neighborhood in Riyadh.
حي الحمراء هو حي شهير في الرياض
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/الحمراء_(الرياض)

Ik xamraa means red too but I don't see the connection between xamar and xamraa, xamar is a tree in somali and there are alot of towns that are named after trees in somalia

 

[Zak12]

What does a tomb in 1365 have to do with this

Its from the 8th century

 

[Barkhadle1520]

All of this misses the larger point, the elephant in the room, which is that there simply aren't any Arabs in Somalia in any meaningful or indigenous sense. Preliminary genetic results on Cadcads, have shown them to be primarily Bantu-Indian with a significant Somali component.

To put this in perspective: arguing that Arabs founded Somali cities is like claiming that Beijing was founded by Romans, based on the assumption that I and all other Somalis somehow fall under the “Roman” category. It’s a misrepresentation of both history and identity. Most CadCads are the descendants of Indian merchant that came during the heyday of the Swahili trade between the 1800s and 1900s.

This wouldve been a good argument but the story says that they just left after somalis took over

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Its from the 8th century

Its from the 8th islamic century for f*ck sake bro, why are you being so arrogant when you dont even know the islamic calendar

 

[Zak12]

that they just left after somalis took over

Right, that totally makes sense. The founders just up and left with for no ostensible reason. Why would anyone take such stories seriously?

Yes. Persians came, built the large urban city in 60 years, gave the keys to Somalis, packed up, and jumped ship. Right after, Ibn Battuta came to a buzzing rich metropolis even for his world-traveling standards. But wait.. no Persians in sight and Somalis in control, fully integrated, established, and part and parcel of it all.

That's what we call a legit story, bro.

People read stuff without processing anything. They would say, "See, a Persian came flying on a magic carpet at that date and established the city. It's here on texts," without questioning how that does not fit into reality.

Its from the 8th islamic century for f*ck sake bro, why are you being so arrogant when you dont even know the islamic calendar

Bruh check the first image, it says 720 CE.