Islamic-relief.org.uk. ''Mogadishu was founded by settlers in the 8th century''

The chronicles of Ibn Battuta states that the the people of Zeila were Berber (Somali) and they were the same people which were found when he sailed down to Mogadishu 15 days later. Harar, Mogadishu and Zelila were all built by Somalis.
 
The chronicles of Ibn Battuta states that the the people of Zeila were Berber (Somali) and they were the same people which were found when he sailed down to Mogadishu 15 days later. Harar, Mogadishu and Zelila were all built by Somalis.
You guys fail to understand ibn battuta comes way after the arab origins, how do you guys even wanna argue against these claims if you dont even know what they are, when they were written, who wrote it or what they say.
 
The idea of Mogadishu being founded by Arabs is obviously false and is rooted in old colonial era discourse surrerounding Somali history. According to Xamar's own traditions, the city's founders and oldest inhabitants are the gibil madow clans such as Moorshe and Bandawoow. If Xamar was truly founded by Arabs then there should be local narratives of Arabs/Persians founding the place like you see with the Swahili coast. Arabs and Persians would only arrive after Mogadishu was a fully established place.


I don't normally like wikipedia when it comes to Somali history but the Mogadishu article is pretty decent and lays out everything I said with appropriate sources. And wikipedia will be the first site the average layman will choose when it comes to Somali history.
 
The idea of Mogadishu being founded by Arabs is obviously false and is rooted in old colonial era discourse surrerounding Somali history. According to Xamar's own traditions, the city's founders and oldest inhabitants are the gibil madow clans such as Moorshe and Bandawoow. If Xamar was truly founded by Arabs then there should be local narratives of Arabs/Persians founding the place like you see with the Swahili coast. Arabs and Persians would only arrive after Mogadishu was a fully established place.


I don't normally like wikipedia when it comes to Somali history but the Mogadishu article is pretty decent and lays out everything I said with appropriate sources. And wikipedia will be the first site the average layman will choose when it comes to Somali history.
It doesnt date back to colonial times and also what brings you to the conclusion that gibil madow founded it ?
 
There's the name Xamar too which is Arabic but according to this story all of this happened way before Ibn Battuta arrived
The word Xamar has nothing to do with Arabic. You’re doing the same disinformation you’re crying about.
Funny enough, it was actually Persian traders who brought Islam to Xamar/marka area. And was the ajuurans who spread it in the interior.
 
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The word Xamar has nothing to do with Arabic. You’re doing the same disinformation you’re crying about.
Funny enough, it was actually Persian traders who brought Islam to Xamar/marka area. And was the ajuurans who spread it in the interior.






Let me know if you want it funnier, sharper,
Im not arguing about the xamar part, and this is not how history works, Ajuran pre 1000AD spreading islam in the interior ? The oldest somali clans such as dir didnt even exist at that time.. This ajuran BS is starting to get ridiculous. The Persian theory is even worse.

I challenge you to bring a single primary source of this, and if you do wallahi I will never mention this again.
 
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Xamar and al-Ahmar are linguistically two different words and represent a case of false cognates, words that sound similar but are not related in origin. A comparison is the example of certain Chinese and Korean words that sound similar to the n-word in English but have completely different meanings.

Xamar is pronounced as /ħaːmar/, where the initial sound is a voiceless pharyngeal fricative, somewhat similar but not identical to the Arabic letter "ḥāʾ.

In contrast, the Arabic word Ahmar (أحمر) is pronounced /ʔaħmar/, starting with a glottal stop followed by the "ḥ" sound.

Although Somali and Arabic share some consonants, their phonologies differ . The vowel patterns and precise pronunciation differences make a direct borrowing impossible. If Xamar were directly borrowed from Arabic Ahmar, we should expect more consistent sound correspondences and recognizable usage patterns that hints its origin, like we can see in french words in the english language.

There is no strong historical evidence or early texts indicating that the name Xamar derives from the Arabic word Ahmar. Place names in Somalia predate widespread Arabic influence and are rooted in native Cushitic languages.

Semantically, Ahmar simply means “red” in Arabic. The transformation from a general color term into a proper noun for a place require stronger linguistic and historical proof, especially since other Somali place names do not follow this pattern.
 
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