It's another opinion. Who are you tell them they are wrong? Once you learn about the history of Islam you will see that for 1400 years it was never just one way. they still believe in the oneness of god in Allah? Heck if you pour over classical tafsirs e.g tafsir of al-Tabari to name one, they legit had a geocentric worldview and thought the world was flat?!!! Are you going to believe what's written and still think the world is flat? come on don't insult your own intelligence.
Is The Sharia Barbaric? #Stoning #Theft #Murder #Apostasy || The Hot Seat by AMAU
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Good discussion in this thread.
Personally im against stoning
Personally im against stoning
Muzaffer
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the truth is always one you cant have many truth islam
This question answers nothing I said and doesn't add to the point we are talking about modern society and its laws. You just placing ad hominem into the question. The question was you will not convince modern society that the laws of sharia today can be applied. I could flip the question to you and say that do you really need to cut someone's fingers/hands off to deter them from stealing? Again with the salaf it's written to interpretation and there is no leeway to say someone steals to feed their family, does that person deserve to have their fingers and hands chopped off, and thus further means that he cant help his family? Or perhaps there is a better and more nuanced approach to the matter.
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so if I believe in Allah but I also deni most sefat, does that make me Muslim?
Like I said and what I tell every salaf. Go and learn an unbiased and objective look at Islamic history and you will understand that this is just another version or way of looking at the deen. There were many different versions of power during different dynasties. Heck even within the salafs they gaalify themselves and can't even agree with each other. What is the true Islam is different for all 2 billion Muslims across the world. However, a salaf will say that everyone else is wrong and he is right. It's madness when you look at it.
Am I Allah? I cant gaalify nobody but a salaf would 100% call takfir on me and the majority of Muslims and call them gaal.
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it the matter of earth flat the mind have a stronger claim.
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The Salafists do not declare anyone a disbeliever until the proof is established on him
btw I'm not salafi
I am confused about what you mean by this. Believe me, I have met salafs who literally believe the earth is flat because they take scriptures word for word. When you tell them the Islamic historical context of the tafsirs that state this. They turn their brains off and decide nope because ibn abbas was a close sahaba of the prophet and a cousin and his tafsir builds upon the earth is flat then nope we must believe that. Its madness.
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I'm mean we will bring both the mind and what is written and see who have more proof and we will take it.
some radicals always take hadiths even if they are weak
and mutazilah take mind always
but I balance between them
I don't want you to tell me anything.
Fair enough you are on the right path at least your mind is open and you can take on other opinions. I would just tell you to delve into the history of Islam you will learn so much and understand how the deen has evolved over the last 1400 years. It might be boring if you don't like history-related stuff like me but hey it is what it is.
Liban89
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According to salafis the concept is bid'ah, they believe one should never use critical thinking at all. Their way is always ุงูููู ูุจู ุงูุนูู
I don't mean to be rude but I don't know how young you are. All jokes aside as someone who went down the salaf pathway when I was younger and lost in life. You will not find any intelligence or reason down this pathway only hate and a life devoid of anything with critical thinking. Allah gave you a mind and taking the fikrah of others and being a brain-dead zombie helps no one. Nothing worse than being a prisoner in your own mind.
Why do care about ''modern society,'' anyway?
What is ''modern society''? Disbelievers, who will eventually be fuel for the fire?
Disbelievers, who think they have no purpose in life, other than partying, fornicating like animals, until they reach the after-life, and they're full of regret, but by then, it'll be too late?
Disbelievers who have high rates of suicide, homelessness, corruption, theft, rape, etc?
Oh, okay cool!
You won't get your hands cut if you do not steal, right? And if you knew such laws existed, you'd think twice, perhaps THRICE before stealing, right? Oh btw, if you steal due to hunger, genuine hunger...you are excused in the Sha'riah, did you know that? That's why welfare, is an Islamic concept, that non-Muslims took, as well. Charity, sadaqah, etc, these things ensure no one, NO ONE goes without their basic needs, it's the responsibility of the state and the rich....
Liban89
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Raping kids is sick and disgusting including girls, we are talking salafi version of islam and how the very problematic concept paves the way for close minded ideas like stoning and marrying girls at any age.
The same society he lives in and is posting a comment from and on a forum where he is allowed to express his opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if your version of the perfect society is living like a bedouin in a desert in the 9th century.
Edit: Everything to a salaf is the big bad gaal. Like some kind of bogeyman who hides under the bed. These same "gaal" gave us asylum, healthcare, housing and allowed me to pursue a free education and better my life for myself and my family. The same salafs and wahabs who promote this hateful ideology are to busy bombing other Muslims in a never-ending war in Yemen. Heck, you go to a Somali in Somalia and offer him a visa to either an Arab country or the west, he will choose the west every time.
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