Is it time for Somalia to accept what it is and move forward?

[Tukraq]

we are a confederate country on the ground, and this will be true for the future as well, after 91 centralism is out of the question and most likely even federalism as we've seen regional states like Somaliland already want out due to 91, its time we scrapped the useless fgs who can't even govern two blocks and bring actual unity for the Somali people that everyone can accept

6 presidents for the 6 regions that come together and work jointly on certain issues and have power/ a veto,
initially we may have to use our armies in PL,SL, and JL to liberate banadir from amisom and shabab and establish a banadir state, then we can fully operate as a 6 head nation

 

[Tukraq]

we should also address the elephant in the room in qabil unlike what @embarassing suggests,
everybody operates on this especially politically, the civil war also won't be forgotten anytime soon

 

[diaby]

Time to let go of the 1 nation project, it has failed. Unless 1 tribe can overpower the others which is highly unlikely, we will be in the same mess for another 30 years.

 

[Apollo]

The African Union is against the balkanization of Somalia. They carry heavy weight in the international community as the chief African intergovernmental organization. Also, the Arab League got our back against balkanization (only thing this good for nothing organization is good for).

 

[Tukraq]

The African Union is against the balkanization of Somalia. They carry heavy weight in the international community as the chief African intergovernmental organization. Also, the Arab League got our back against balkanization (only thing this good for nothing organization is good for).

this isn't forming different nations but a different form of governance giving regional states who on the ground already have all the power the ceremonial title to move us forward

 

[Apollo]

this isn't forming different nations but a different form of governance giving regional states who on the ground already have all the power the ceremonial title to move us forward

Unitary states are better than federal states. Federalism slows shit down.

India vs China is a good example:

 

[Tukraq]

Unitary states are better than federal states. Federalism slows shit down.

India vs China is a good example:

bad example, what about US versus china, I would rater live in the federal governments, infact outside of a few condensed areas In china that country sucks lol, this won't ever be accepted again in Somalia after the civil war lets be real with ourselves

 

[Apollo]

bad example, what about US versus china, or Canada versus Russia, in both cases I would rater live in the federal governments, infact outside of Moscow in Russia and a few condensed areas In china those countries suck lol, this won't ever be accepted again in Somalia after the civil war lets be real with ourselves

Unfair comparison. Compare apples to apples, not oranges. India and China are good comparisons (both Asian developing countries). The USA industrialized in the 1800s.

 

[Tukraq]

Unfair comparison. Compare apples to apples, not oranges. India and China are good comparisons (both Asian developing countries). The USA industrialized in the 1800s.

US developed due to federalism, china is behind due to a unitary system where only a subset of the population living in certain cities see any benefits and thus no contribution this is why china is still a developing country, if you check the map all the dynamic powerhouse countries are federal while the city states like the UK(aka London) are unitary

 

[Apollo]

US developed due to federalism, china is behind due to a unitary system where only a subset of the population living in certain cities see any benefits and thus no contribution this is why china is still a developing country, if you check the map all the dynamic powerhouse countries are federal while the city states like the UK(aka London) are unitary

China may win the superpower race from the USA as they can outsmart them when it comes to human genetic engineering. The CCP can implement eugenics easily if they want to while it can never pass in the USA's rigid political system with many checks and balances and federal layers.

The Chinese are already creating HIV resistant babies.

 

[Jaydaan]

6 will become 12 and that will become 24 etc etc. Bad idea

 

[Tukraq]

6 will become 12 and that will become 24 etc etc. Bad idea

whats wrong with that the more the merrier, lets go for 50 states infact and incorporate neighboring areas like Ogaden and ndf through manifest destiny

 

[Tukraq]

China may win the superpower race from the USA as they can outsmart them when it comes to human genetic engineering. The CCP can implement eugenics easily if they want to while it can never pass in the USA's rigid political system with many checks and balances and federal layers.

The Chinese are already creating HIV resistant babies.

sahib most of china is outright poor like I said minus some city areas(mainly due to a corrupt unitary system), lets not get delusional kulaha challenge the US

 

[Apollo]

sahib most of china is outright poor like I said minus some city areas(mainly due to a corrupt unitary system), lets not get delusional kulaha challenge the US

See this video and thread. They are a force to be reckoned with:

Top 20 Country GDP (PPP) History & Projection (1800-2040)

 

[Tukraq]

See this video and thread. They are a force to be reckoned with:

Top 20 Country GDP (PPP) History & Projection (1800-2040)

they just have an extremely large population, so probably will catch up with the US for the most total money but will than be passed by India, per person its a destitute and especially per region

 

[Apollo]

they just have an extremely large population, so probably will catch up with the US for the most total money but will than be passed by India, per person its a destitute and especially per region

I don't think you realize how much more their per capita will rise when they implement IQ boosting eugenics while Bible-thumping Christian Zionist America will not allow it.

 

[Tukraq]

I don't think you realize how much more their per capita will rise if they implement IQ boosting eugenics while Bible tumping Christian Zionist America will not allow it.

they're IQ is pretty high right now naturally, they're focus should be on testosterone lol which is why they're in this situation, they can't stand up to authority which is why they have a unitary system that takes advantage of them, also their problem has been creativity not really the IQ since they can always do the dirty work and mimic

 

[Jiron]

I don’t think that will work sxb, hypothetically let’s say Somalia breaks down, what makes u believe that will satisfy the people? The same issues we are having today on a national scale will be repeated locally x 20. Sub clans fighting each other for power, discrimination against .5 clans, unchecked corruption, grazing land feud, there will be border and maritime dispute in every corner etc. We need to be honest with each other instead of always ignoring the elephant in the room, the problem is us, all of us, not they, we have to get rid of “they” and take personally accountability. There is no easy way out of this. Once we understand this will solve so much of our problems immediately

 

[Tukraq]

I don’t think that will work sxb, hypothetically let’s say Somalia breaks down, what makes u believe that will satisfy the people? The same issues we are having today on a national scale will be repeated locally x 20. Sub clans fighting each other for power, discrimination against .5 clans, unchecked corruption, grazing land feud, there will be border and maritime dispute in every corner etc. We need to be honest with each other instead of always ignoring the elephant in the room, the problem is us, all of us, not they, we have to get rid of “they” and take personally accountability. There is no easy way out of this. Once we understand this will solve so much of our problems immediately

in the states its easier to get you message across as a community than the president right, and the states are more unaligned with your own interests, well the same here sxb, corruption will be far easier to control on a more local level, why would subclans feud if give more say and representation, infact it will reduce this, like I said we are who we are and the civil war happened sxb we can't just gloss over this, a unitary system will never work again if I'm being real

 

[Jaydaan]

whats wrong with that the more the merrier, lets go for 50 states infact and incorporate neighboring areas like Ogaden and ndf through manifest destiny

Every qabil is a country lool