Interesting Opposition Narrative On Siyad Barre

[Garaad Hirabu]

She said to MSB AUN you can't compare reer Puntland hundreds years civilization to your tribe and his cuqdaad would destroy his presidency. She was right.

@Abdalla come in here to get praised.

Who said Marehan never had Saltanate? .

According to Gabriel Ferrand Between the 17th and 18th century, the Marehan Sultanate was an important sultanate which extended from Bender Ziyade on the Gulf of Aden to beyond Ras el-Khail on the Indian Ocean.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Who said Marehan never had Saltanate? .

According to Gabriel Ferrand Between the 17th and 18th century, the Marehan Sultanate was an important sultanate which extended from Bender Ziyade on the Gulf of Aden to beyond Ras el-Khail on the Indian Ocean.

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That's a game sxb.

 

[Karbaaash]

Let the man rest, it’s been 34 years and we see the outcome & destruction n anarchy caused. During Siyad barre Somalis were proud and determined to improve their country, today everyone has a dream and it’s too tahriib & live in a ajnabi country.

I want to add majority of Somalis respect Siyad barre, the only ones who dont are from the same qabiils who keep somalia in the status quo.

 

[Step a side]

I have seen you claim exclusive ownership of Harar, Babile etc the reality is MX and Karanle both live there. Notice I say Karanle not Murursade.

MX on top of that live on the Somali side of the border in Faafan and have their own villages there, waliba Rer Diini live there with Gerri and Jaarso.

As for Walashama dynasty, they are related to Adal dynasty, my best guess is they fellow Daroods probably Amudan(Makahil) who are known to have been OG dictators in the medieval era, or its possible they were Warsangili or Leelkase who were also big players in the Medieval era.

I never heard or seen any mereexan living in harar region. There are small number of other Somali clans & I mean very tiny like ten families that may reside within Karanle or other Hawiye. I can’t rule out one family who maybe sheegato. Otherwise there are no marexaan in harar region or baabile. For each 1 non Hawiye in the area between Baabili and Harar you have 1000 Karanle (including subs of Murusade) and 2000 total Hawiye in general (not including Oromo of course) That area is sacred to us and we do pilgrim visits there from time to time. Hawiye himself is literally buried there at Qundhura. Hobat is where the old hawiye used to crown their garaads. Marexaan didn't exist in the immediate proximity of Harar. The Mareexaan used to come to Harar for wars just like other tribes which means they never inhabited there as a tribe but few individuals might have lived there as Harar served as a centre for all Muslims. Marexaan homeland was couple of days (on horseback ) away. Marexaan chief at one point was heading towards Harar and when he was halfway, he heard the Imam was preparing to go to Habasha and Hirabu returned.

Ethiopian census of 1994 says Baabile is Karanle town. 2.Dhandhame is Karanle town. 3 Kora is Karanle town 4 Cobosh is Karanle 5. Qarsaandule is Karanle town 6. Both of the two imeys are Karanle towns.


Ifat was formed by a partnership of Harar emirate of Abaadir and the Walashma family of Zeila

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

I never heard or seen any mereexan living in harar region. There are small number of other Somali clans & I mean very tiny like ten families that may reside within Karanle or other Hawiye. I can’t rule out one family who maybe sheegato. Otherwise there are no marexaan in harar region or baabile. For each 1 non Hawiye in the area between Baabili and Harar you have 1000 Karanle (including subs of Murusade) and 2000 total Hawiye in general (not including Oromo of course) That area is sacred to us and we do pilgrim visits there from time to time. Hawiye himself is literally buried there at Qundhura. Hobat is where the old hawiye used to crown their garaads. Marexaan didn't exist in the immediate proximity of Harar. The Mareexaan used to come to Harar for wars just like other tribes which means they never inhabited there as a tribe but few individuals might have lived there as Harar served as a centre for all Muslims. Marexaan homeland was couple of days (on horseback ) away. Marexaan chief at one point was heading towards Harar and when he was halfway, he heard the Imam was preparing to go to Habasha and Hirabu returned.

Ethiopian census of 1994 says baabile is karanle town. 2.Dhandhame is Karanle town. 3 Kora is Karanle town 4 cobosh is Karanle 5. qarsaandule Karanle town 5. Both of the two imeys are Karanle towns.

As for Walashma some recorded them to be Xeebjir Sheekhal and others say they were the progeny of Sheikh Kawnein who was Ashraaf. The clans you are mentioning are alien to the region.

I don't know why you are shocked that MX had two homelands 500 years ago. Today in 2023 MX have 4 homelands that are separated from each other by significant distance with other clans living in between us. They are the following.

1. Dheka suuf bordering Negeyle
2. Faafan, Baabile, Harar
3. Galgaduud, Mudug, Doolo, Qoraxeey
4. Jubaland

500 years ago MX would have been in Nugaal valley, do you know Nugaal valley is about 1000 km from Harar ? majority of Hiraabus army were not on horse back, on foot you can travel about 30 km before you are totally spent, that means the travel time would be about a month, not a couple days.

So Hiraabu's army was based in a MX country outside of Nugaal Valley 500 years ago, its possible this MX country is what Ciise refer to as Marehan country to this day, its land bordering Ciise and Gedabursi clans.

What MX were doing there so many years ago lends us to believe they probably came early on before establishment of Adal, we are talking Walashama dynasty era.

Also Hiraabu descendants are Rer Garad, they make up the majority of the MX that live in Baabile, Harar, Faafan area.

MX kingship predates Hiraabu, him and his decendant Rer Garad are leaders of Rer Ciis who have been leaders of MX for centuries only recently replaced by Rer Ugaas. But before Rer Garad MX were lead by Boqors and the crown was enherited by Rer Cusman Mohamed they are among the earliest Boqors MX had and possibly even Darood.

I mentioned Makahil, Leelkase and Warsangili because they also had early boqors.

Karanle definitely have history in Adal but your illogical and irrational attachment to Adal makes no sense you are Sabti Murursade who DNA proves are far removed from Foorculus and other Murursade forget about Karanle, we know the Karanle talked about in the manuscripts are the ones living in Babile they are not Murursade. While all the Ugas, Garads, Boqors I am talking about are all MX, waliba all of them are Radamiir. They are my ancestors.

 

[Garaad Hirabu]

I never heard or seen any mereexan living in harar region. There are small number of other Somali clans & I mean very tiny like ten families that may reside within Karanle or other Hawiye. I can’t rule out one family who maybe sheegato. Otherwise there are no marexaan in harar region or baabile. For each 1 non Hawiye in the area between Baabili and Harar you have 1000 Karanle (including subs of Murusade) and 2000 total Hawiye in general (not including Oromo of course) That area is sacred to us and we do pilgrim visits there from time to time. Hawiye himself is literally buried there at Qundhura. Hobat is where the old hawiye used to crown their garaads. Marexaan didn't exist in the immediate proximity of Harar. The Mareexaan used to come to Harar for wars just like other tribes which means they never inhabited there as a tribe but few individuals might have lived there as Harar served as a centre for all Muslims. Marexaan homeland was couple of days (on horseback ) away. Marexaan chief at one point was heading towards Harar and when he was halfway, he heard the Imam was preparing to go to Habasha and Hirabu returned.

Ethiopian census of 1994 says Baabile is Karanle town. 2.Dhandhame is Karanle town. 3 Kora is Karanle town 4 Cobosh is Karanle 5. Qarsaandule is Karanle town 6. Both of the two imeys are Karanle towns.


Ifat was formed by a partnership of Harar emirate of Abaadir and the Walashma family of Zeila

We live all around Jaarso region

 

[Garaad Hirabu]

@Dalalos_ibn_Adali a Ciise guy on my 23anfne relatives list told me he is from a place called lafa Marehan in Ciise region.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

@Step a side Here is another proof that MX had two homelands and one was definitely in Harar&Faafan area.

about 250-300 years ago there was attempted murder on Ugaas Diini successor and son Khalif Diini, he lived like the rest of Ilmo Diini in what is today Galmudug area back then called Ximan. Khalif Diini surviving the murder and the coup fled to Faafan where today his descendants make a significant community living with Gerri and Jaarso in several villages some exclusively belonging to them.

Why would Khalif Diini go to Faafan ? Its because he know there was another MX country over there.

 

[Step a side]

I don't know why you are shocked that MX had two homelands 500 years ago. Today in 2023 MX have 4 homelands that are separated from each other by significant distance with other clans living in between us. They are the following.

1. Dheka suuf bordering Negeyle
2. Faafan, Baabile, Harar
3. Galgaduud, Mudug, Doolo, Qoraxeey
4. Jubaland

500 years ago MX would have been in Nugaal valley, do you know Nugaal valley is about 1000 km from Harar ? majority of Hiraabus army were not on horse back, on foot you can travel about 30 km before you are totally spent, that means the travel time would be about a month, not a couple days.

So Hiraabu's army was based in a MX country outside of Nugaal Valley 500 years ago, its possible this MX country is what Ciise refer to as Marehan country to this day, its land bordering Ciise and Gedabursi clans.

What MX were doing there so many years ago lends us to believe they probably came early on before establishment of Adal, we are talking Walashama dynasty era.

Also Hiraabu descendants are Rer Garad, they make up the majority of the MX that live in Baabile, Harar, Faafan area.

MX kingship predates Hiraabu, him and his decendant Rer Garad are leaders of Rer Ciis who have been leaders of MX for centuries only recently replaced by Rer Ugaas. But before Rer Garad MX were lead by Boqors and the crown was enherited by Rer Cusman Mohamed they are among the earliest Boqors MX had and possibly even Darood.

I mentioned Makahil, Leelkase and Warsangili because they also had early boqors.

Karanle definitely have history in Adal but your illogical and irrational attachment to Adal makes no sense you are Sabti Murursade who DNA proves are far removed from Foorculus and other Murursade forget about Karanle, we know the Karanle talked about in the manuscripts are the ones living in Babile they are not Murursade. While all the Ugas, Garads, Boqors I am talking about are all MX, waliba all of them are Radamiir. They are my ancestors.

Sabdi and Foolculus are 2 brothers from the same father according to Yfull, thank you very much! Since you brought up this DNA stuff, Marexaan is only 900 years old which means he was born in the 1100s. It’s impossible for them to have been active around Zeila and Hararghe in the 1300s at the time of Ifat. Your tribe is too young for that.

Back to the topic at hand. Harar and it’s vicinity is Hawiye land. Harar literally has districts and old medieval towns named after Hawiye himself going back over a millennia and half. We predate Harar in the region so to speak. Harar is surrounded by East Hararge. East Hararge has about 17 districts and we live in 9 of those districts with either majority or a large plurality. Districts include Babile, Mayu Muluqe, Haramaya, Gorugutu, Qarsa, Chinaksan (Jinacsanay), Kombolcha and Kurfa Chale. We also live in West Hararge districts of Mieso and Hawi Gudina. The areas of Hawiya Erer, Ali Keno and Awsharif are names of old Karanle figures buried near Harar and part of Harar special admin zone which is chartered like Dire Dawa.

 

[Garaad Hirabu]

Sabdi and Foolculus are 2 brothers from the same father according to Yfull, thank you very much! Since you brought up this DNA stuff, Marexaan is only 900 years old which means he was born in the 1100s. It’s impossible for them to have been active around Zeila and Hararghe in the 1300s at the time of Ifat. Your tribe is too young for that.

Back to the topic at hand. Harar and it’s vicinity is Hawiye land. Harar literally has districts and old medieval towns named after Hawiye himself going back over a millennia and half. We predate Harar in the region so to speak. Harar is surrounded by East Hararge. East Hararge has about 17 districts and we live in 9 of those districts with either majority or a large plurality. Districts include Babile, Mayu Muluqe, Haramaya, Gorugutu, Qarsa, Chinaksan (Jinacsanay), Kombolcha and Kurfa Chale. We also live in West Hararge districts of Mieso and Hawi Gudina. The areas of Hawiya Erer, Ali Keno and Awsharif are names of old Karanle figures buried near Harar and part of Harar special admin zone which is chartered like Dire Dawa.




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Marehan mighty have been a coalition of proto E-163928. You have Warsangeli around Eritrea Aseb area and lafa Marehan in Ciise Dir area. Maybe proto Darood E-163928 expanded from the north west. Also you have a E-163949 sample from Djibouti on Yfull .

 

[Step a side]

Marehan mighty have been a coalition of proto E-163928. You have Warsangeli around Eritrea Aseb area and lafa Marehan in Ciise Dir area. Maybe proto Darood E-163928 expanded from the north west. Also you have a E-163949 sample from Djibouti on Yfull .

Marexaan are confined to E-Y163949. They can’t go over it or otherwise you become the father of Leelkase, Ogaden etc which goes against logic.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Sabdi and Foolculus are 2 brothers from the same father according to Yfull, thank you very much! Since you brought up this DNA stuff, Marexaan is only 900 years old which means he was born in the 1100s. It’s impossible for them to have been active around Zeila and Hararghe in the 1300s at the time of Ifat. Your tribe is too young for that.

That is 200 years its roughly the same age as my Jifo, Dalal Ugaas.

You have to understand 200 years is enough time for a clan to form, and enough time to produce one remarkable man or woman. Case in point Adan Shire Jamac Gulafe Abdille Alamagan Dalal.

1. First Somali DC of Luuq
2. Creator of Caabudwaaq district
3. Fired the first bullet at Walwal incident that lead to WW2
4. created his own political party 1950s AFIS
5. Joined the SYL and became MP and held 3 different cabinet post
6. fought in WW2 in Yugoslavia
7. Has a road named after him in Rome and a statue of the tree he was on in the walwal incident.
8. trained physician

A single man can change the course of history, he was born 1920 that is little over a 100 years after his progenitor Dalal Ugas.

 

[Step a side]

That is 200 years its roughly the same age as my Jifo, Dalal Ugaas.

You have to understand 200 years is enough time for a clan to form, and enough time to produce one remarkable man or woman. Case in point Adan Shire Jamac Gulafe Abdille Alamagan Dalal.

1. First Somali DC of Luuq
2. Creator of Caabudwaaq district
3. Fired the first bullet at Walwal incident that lead to WW2
4. created his own political party 1950s AFIS
5. Joined the SYL and became MP and held 3 different cabinet post
6. fought in WW2 in Yugoslavia
7. Has a road named after him in Rome and a statue of the tree he was on in the walwal incident.
8. trained physician

A single man can change the course of history, he was born 1920 that is little over a 100 years after his progenitor Dalal Ugas.

Why we arguing? The only people you will find around Harar and Baabili today are Oromo and Hawiye like Sheikhaal and Karanle. It’s similar to Mogadishu, if war breaks out everyone will leave Xamar and go back to their original tuulo while Murusade will stay there in Xamar because we have been here since Ajuuraan days. You played a role in the holy wars during Gragn but you were not it’s rulers. Neither is your clan from the region. Again why are we arguing? Ifat was formed by a partnership of Harar emirate of Abaadir and the Walashma family of Zeila. Your fellow clansmen tried to claim Adal and I came to correct him. Then you tried to isku dhiji yourself with Babili and Harar when your absent from the region. We need to respect each other’s boundaries. History is written especially that of the Ifat and Adal.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Why we arguing? The only people you will find around Harar and Baabili today are Oromo and Hawiye like Sheikhaal and Karanle. It’s similar to Mogadishu, if war breaks out everyone will leave Xamar and go back to their original tuulo while Murusade will stay there in Xamar because we have been here since Ajuuraan days. You played a role in the holy wars during Gragn but you were not it’s rulers. Neither is your clan from the region. Again why are we arguing? Ifat was formed by a partnership of Harar emirate of Abaadir and the Walashma family of Zeila. Your fellow clansmen tried to claim Adal and I came to correct him. Then you tried to isku dhiji yourself with Babili and Harar when your absent from the region. We need to respect each other’s boundaries. History is written especially that of the Ifat and Adal.

I am a supporter of Karanle power

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Siyaad Barre placed almost all of the MJ elite in prison for the first ~5 years of his term. Almost all MJ who were anything in the 60s spent years in prison FOR NO REASON.

Bardacad, who is from my reer. spent 20 years in prison without any charges, for nothing.

MSB destroyed Somalia. He just dismantled the whole state apparatus, there was nothing left to save by 1991.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Siyaad Barre placed almost all of the MJ elite in prison for the first ~5 years of his term. Almost all MJ who were anything in the 60s spent years in prison FOR NO REASON.

Bardacad, who is from my reer. spent 20 years in prison without any charges, for nothing.

MSB destroyed Somalia. He just dismantled the whole state apparatus, there was nothing left to save by 1991.

Don't forget that the war he took us with Ethiopia in 77 was about weakening MJ's leadership and influence in the army anyone who has or had a family member in the old SNA would know that.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Don't forget that the war he took us with Ethiopia in 77 was about weakening MJ's leadership and influence in the army anyone who has or had a family member in the old SNA would know that.

Every single military man in Somalia supported the 1969 coup. Every one of them regardless of clan. MSB could have created a multiclan junta, and they could have ruled Somalia until today like the FLN in Algeria from 1963 to today or the Tatmadaw in Burma since 1947. Very shortsighted of him.

 

[Garaad Hirabu]

Every single military man in Somalia supported the 1969 coup. Every one of them regardless of clan. MSB could have created a multiclan junta, and they could have ruled Somalia until today like the FLN in Algeria from 1963 to today or the Tatmadaw in Burma since 1947. Very shortsighted of him.

As if Generals from other Somali sub clans would not be loyal to their qabil.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

As if Generals from other Somali sub clans would not be loyal to their qabil.

Everyone was loyal to their qabil, that is fine. What MSB did was try to remove entire qabils from the political scene. My own father could not get a passport in 1981 because he was an MJ. Don't give MJ passports is a crazy policy, MSB reero waaweyn ayu xiniinyo taabtay. You don't antagonize people like that.

If MSB was just taking money for 21 years and building up Gedo and Cabudwaaq, people would not have been as angry. It would have been understandable, just how the game is played in Africa. MSB was just a weirdo, wasted 21 years on dhoocil type shit.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Siyaad Barre placed almost all of the MJ elite in prison for the first ~5 years of his term. Almost all MJ who were anything in the 60s spent years in prison FOR NO REASON.

Bardacad, who is from my reer. spent 20 years in prison without any charges, for nothing.

MSB destroyed Somalia. He just dismantled the whole state apparatus, there was nothing left to save by 1991.

This is what a lot of people pretend didn't happen, they act like SSDF just came out of nowhere, when in fact that insecure loser was obsessed with weakening Majeerteen.