Interesting Opposition Narrative On Siyad Barre

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I noticed, they hate Marehan much more than they hate Isaaq. They have handed Dir Kismaayo on a silver plate, there alders get abused by rer Isaaq Ogaden Dir. Dadka ninki iska celiyo ayay xusmayan. What favour have they ever done for Marehan in the name of Darood kkkk

Your Hotep theories are always wild, never boring, I'll give you that.

 

[Haragwaafi]

As if Generals from other Somali sub clans would not be loyal to their qabil.

Generals were little bit more loyal to the the nation and military institution but MSB had this paranoia of losing power ever since he came to power where in 1972 he executed his collogues who masterminded the coup with him and brought clannism to the military institution that broke the nation apart.

 

[Kizaru]

why tf are we talking about a man who died 30 years ago? If somalis put the same energy talking about the past and dead people, we would be a futuristic country with everything a man would ever want. Put the same energy in something useful We need to move on.

 

[Burqad]

Generals were little bit more loyal to the the nation and military institution but MSB had this paranoia of losing power ever since he came to power where in 1972 he executed his collogues who masterminded the coup with him and brought clannism to the military institution that broke the nation apart.

There were many Somali generals who were fighting fir the kacaan even as they massacred their innocent clansmen. Somali nationalism was put in the toilet by siyaad

 

[Burqad]

Everyone was loyal to their qabil, that is fine. What MSB did was try to remove entire qabils from the political scene. My own father could not get a passport in 1981 because he was an MJ. Don't give MJ passports is a crazy policy, MSB reero waaweyn ayu xiniinyo taabtay. You don't antagonize people like that.

If MSB was just taking money for 21 years and building up Gedo and Cabudwaaq, people would not have been as angry. It would have been understandable, just how the game is played in Africa. MSB was just a weirdo, wasted 21 years on dhoocil type shit.

He was from the less urban branch of his clan and was bullied for being a reer miiyi orphan so he hated reer magaals.

In a way the Somali civil war was the triumph of the bush over the city, all the warlords including siyad were reer miiyi

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

He was from the less urban branch of his clan and was bullied for being a reer miiyi orphan so he hated reer magaals.

In a way the Somali civil war was the triumph of the bush over the city, all the warlords including siyad were reer miiyi

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[reer]

He was from the less urban branch of his clan and was bullied for being a reer miiyi orphan so he hated reer magaals.

In a way the Somali civil war was the triumph of the bush over the city, all the warlords including siyad were reer miiyi

You hit the nail on the head.

there was no urban branch of his clan. somalis barely had cities.

 

[Burqad]

there was no urban branch of his clan. somalis barely had cities.

Yes there were. Adaan Low was reer magal

 

[reer]

Yes there were. Adaan Low was reer magal

his sub sub clan were geeljire the same as msb sub sub clan.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

there was no urban branch of his clan. somalis barely had cities.

There was an entire Rer Dalal community in Benadir in 1950, we had represented in the district of Benadir, why would we have that if we didn't live there.

You smoking some good shit bro, you only get representation when you have a population and you are a constituency.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Im loyal to siyad barre will be forever, he did a-lot of good nation wide and evil, I judge him on that plus nothing has come close to him when he said 'dal wa jiraya lakin dad ma jirayo' that curse is still observable today.

But he didn't like Majerten is not a question of doubt either, but I don't care if someone loves majerten or hates as long as he keeps somali protected from extinction, promotes their development interest, and safeguards their sharaf which is what the whole purpose of a government is and as far as im concerned siyad did all that. Im not a child like @Libaax-Joore i see the bigger picture also. Wa nin la fahmi waayay runti.

Horgal horgal dhaleey well ur shoe shiner father was afweyne biggest pet my awoowe jama ali jama was locked in labatan jirow prison after the failed coupe 1978-1989 , us soon he was out of jailed he jioned halganka SSDF central somalia wuxu ka mid ah raagi usc magalada galkacayo ka xooreeye 1993 and one of the founders of puntland state well ur horgaal father and ur hawiye mother were in comfortable living in Australia ….. ditoore xarki ku dhale w@s

 

[DR OSMAN]

Horgal horgal dhaleey well ur shoe shiner father was afweyne biggest pet my awoowe jama ali jama was locked in labatan jirow prison after the failed coupe 1978-1989 , us soon he was out of jailed he jioned halganka SSDF central somalia wuxu ka mid ah raagi usc magalada galkacayo ka xooreey 1993 and one of the founders of puntland state well ur horgaal father and ur hawiye mother were in comfortable living in Australia ….. ditoore xarki ku dhale w@s

I don't care if Siyad locked up or killed Bah dubays my jifi, adiguna muse suldaan ayaad taagan tahay. Somalis enjoyed sharaf under siyad, that is more important to me then jifidayda dantisa.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

I don't care if Siyad locked up or killed Bah dubays my jifi, adiguna muse suldaan ayaad taagan tahay. Somalis enjoyed sharaf under siyad, that is more important to me then jifidayda dantisa.

Horgaal horgaal dhaleeymuse sultan wa dhad raag iyo raabi leh ina gummed afweyne shoe shinner wan bahanahay baqtiga loma cuno midgan midgan dhaleey ba tahay

This is me muse sultan in raasmacbar state of Somalia

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[Libaax-Joore]

I don't care if Siyad locked up or killed Bah dubays my jifi, adiguna muse suldaan ayaad taagan tahay. Somalis enjoyed sharaf under siyad, that is more important to me then jifidayda dantisa.

Somalia loose dignity and sharaaf under his 21 years ruled we were better off under Italian rule horgalki ku dhaleey w@s

 

[Chase]

There were many Somali generals who were fighting fir the kacaan even as they massacred their innocent clansmen. Somali nationalism was put in the toilet by siyaad

Exactly, the guy was insane, he deliberately withheld weapons, artillery, ammunition and fuel from battalions commandeered by MJ generals and field commanders, when the official withdraw command was passed out, thousands of MJ and Hawiye perished at the frontlines, meanwhile his MX kin were safely escorted so they could further consolidate power in the South after the wars conclusion.

Hence the reason the coup was started by MJ/Hawiye officers in the first place, Barre's hatred of MJ destroyed Somalia forever.

 

[GemState]

Every single military man in Somalia supported the 1969 coup. Every one of them regardless of clan. MSB could have created a multiclan junta, and they could have ruled Somalia until today like the FLN in Algeria from 1963 to today or the Tatmadaw in Burma since 1947. Very shortsighted of him.

Or even Suharto's New Order.

"The features of the "New Order" established from the late 1960s were thus a strong political role for the military, the bureaucratisation and corporatisation of political and societal organisations, and selective but brutal repression of opponents. Strident anti-communist, anti-socialist, and anti-Islamist doctrine remained a hallmark of the presidency for its subsequent 30 years."

Sounds like it would have been a better fit for Somalia, especially the anti-communism. But all 3 of the FLN, Tatmadaw, and Suharto eventually had a crisis when trying to escape authoritarianism.

One just became a geriatric dictatorship, the other a constant civil war, only the last one managed to transition to democracy and that is considered something of a miracle.

It's always a gamble with strongmen, and in a place as poor as Somalia I think once it went a few decades under military rule it was bound to break down.

 

[reer]

There was an entire Rer Dalal community in Benadir in 1950, we had represented in the district of Benadir, why would we have that if we didn't live there.

You smoking some good shit bro, you only get representation when you have a population and you are a constituency.

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what does that prove? i can tell you of urban mx in the south. that doesnt mean they were urban sub clans. reer dalal were a geeljire jiffo like most somalis unless youre saying most of reer dalal lived in cities.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

what does that prove? i can tell you of urban mx in the south. that doesnt mean they were urban sub clans. reer dalal were a geeljire jiffo like most somalis unless youre saying most of reer dalal lived in cities.

Don't lump Rer Dalal in with your geeljire clan who we use to take tribute from.

We are a Boqortooyo and the leaders of MX and Somalis

Rer Koshin entry was with Siyaad Barre and you lingered with Barre Hiiraale, now all your top guys have been hand picked by Farmaajo things are back to the natural pecking order.