ICJ suggests new maritime boundary between Kenya and Somalia and rejects Somalia’s request for reparations.

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I think the civil war increased Somali nationalism.

I think many Somali parents fear about losing their children to the West and as a result placed a more concerted effort in teaching their children about Somalia and patriotism. This over compensated approach has created an echo chamber that turned patriotism into toxic nationalism.

In layman terms, Somalia is the self-conscious kid that is told by his parents that he is special and important to the extent that he grows up to be an arrogant prick.

I think it’s more so that we view everyone else in extreme terms, it’s either an enemy or a close friend rather than due to a self inflated self worth. Look at how FOBs treat Turkey with such reverence and all they’re doing is completely see through. We’re much more sensitive and aware about our own issues than foreigners, it’s confused many people about our strange antics even prior to the civil war. At this point I don’t even know if it’s due to our precarious standing what with being surrounded by hostile enemies all around us, those enemies whom are much much larger and better equipped. I think it’s at this point always been part of our national identity, I can’t remember where I saw this but I remember reading an interview excerpt of an American ambassador who was stationed there in the 60s.
Here’s the section I had in mind,

“Q: Okay, the Soviets were doing this, and our policy was, if they're doing this, we've got to back the other side. But did you ever sit down and figure out what good this was going to do the Soviets, and think maybe we should just let this thing go? Or were we reactive?
ELY: …On the other hand, assisting Somalia has always been very difficult. The Peace Corps had a terrible time there. They managed to stay there for a while, but it was the most difficult Peace Corps assignment that they had.
Q: Why was it?
ELY: The Somalis are very independent-minded people, and you can't tell them anything. The Peace Corps never would go into secondary-school teaching, because once a Somali has a secondary-school education, he considers that he ought to be instructing you.”
Here’s the section wherein he discusses our fondness for nicknames, which he suggests is due to our love for choosing the same three names. He also goes on to psychoanalyse our neighbours hilariously.
“That's what they called him. I don't know whether it referred to his loquacity or just that he happened to have a large, oral aperture. To an American this was a kind of appealing, national personality characteristic. I used to contrast this with the situation in Ethiopia, which was very different. The Ethiopians are very formal, very proper, very deferential, and very polite and soft-spoken--extremely conscious of social class. They are very--what's the word? "Devious" sounds too sinister but they are very convoluted in their speech. You had to read between the lines to understand what they were saying. By contrast, the Somalis were very straightforward. They told you exactly what they thought.”

This particular quote stood extremely relevant to me lmao “they put this crazy self-importance in the world's pecking order, not realizing that they are a tiny drop in the ocean. Ive never have came across more delusional people then the Somali people".

 

[kickz]

Big loss for Somalia. Why is the media reporting this as the opposite? Kenya came out as the victor.

Kenya wouldn't be crying so loud if they had won anything

 

[Periplus]

I think it’s more so that we view everyone else in extreme terms, it’s either an enemy or a close friend rather than due to a self inflated self worth. Look at how FOBs treat Turkey with such reverence and all they’re doing is completely see through. We’re much more sensitive and aware about our own issues than foreigners, it’s confused many people about our strange antics even prior to the civil war. I can’t remember where I saw this but I remember reading an interview excerpt of an American ambassador who was stationed there in the 60s.
Here’s the section I had in mind,

“Q: Okay, the Soviets were doing this, and our policy was, if they're doing this, we've got to back the other side. But did you ever sit down and figure out what good this was going to do the Soviets, and think maybe we should just let this thing go? Or were we reactive?
ELY: …On the other hand, assisting Somalia has always been very difficult. The Peace Corps had a terrible time there. They managed to stay there for a while, but it was the most difficult Peace Corps assignment that they had.
Q: Why was it?
ELY: The Somalis are very independent-minded people, and you can't tell them anything. The Peace Corps never would go into secondary-school teaching, because once a Somali has a secondary-school education, he considers that he ought to be instructing you.”
Here’s the section wherein he discusses our fondness for nicknames, which he suggests is due to our love for choosing the same three names. He also goes on to psychoanalyse our neighbours hilariously.
“That's what they called him. I don't know whether it referred to his loquacity or just that he happened to have a large, oral aperture. To an American this was a kind of appealing, national personality characteristic. I used to contrast this with the situation in Ethiopia, which was very different. The Ethiopians are very formal, very proper, very deferential, and very polite and soft-spoken--extremely conscious of social class. They are very--what's the word? "Devious" sounds too sinister but they are very convoluted in their speech. You had to read between the lines to understand what they were saying. By contrast, the Somalis were very straightforward. They told you exactly what they thought.”

This particular quote stood extremely relevant to me lmao “they put this crazy self-importance in the world's pecking order, not realizing that they are a tiny drop in the ocean. Ive never have came across more delusional people then the Somali people".

I agree that this existed before the civil war but the present situation is worse.

Firstly, the pre-civil war behaviour could be blamed on ignorance, many Somalis were uneducated back then or were not worldly. Now, this current generation of Somalis have benefitted from living in the West, its educational standards and globalisation, yet we still go on forums talking about fighting other countries and kicking Bantus out of Somalia.

Secondly, the wording and language used by Somali nationalists today is worse than it used to be. Somali nationalists that have grown up in the West have incorporated alt-right ideas and Western superiority theory into their rhetoric. Words like "n*gger" "c*on" "monkey" now litter the rhetoric of Somali nationalists and the writing style of a Somali nationalist discussing Arabs and Africans fits that of a 4Chan user rather than previous generations of Somalis debating at a coffee shop.

Lastly, I have already touched on this but we have never seen Somalis openly declare ideas of deporting Somali Bantus until recently. Even in generations past, the worst one would hear were insults. However, Somali nationalists today have been expressing imported ideas of white supremacy and white homeland but fitting into a Somali narrative/context.

In all, absolutely saddening behaviour.

 

[Chase]

@Nilotic

If Kenya was a predominantly Maasai-Samburu country, they would just go to war with Somalia over this and ignore the ICJ ruling, probably take Kismaayo as well.

Nah, Kenyan Maasai are actually very pacifist and chill, decent fighters. Luo and Kikuyu weren't terribly bad at fighting either, the British played the divide and conquer tactic perfectly by pitting them all against each other.

'The military protection given by the British enabled the Maasai to replenish their herds from raids on neighbouring tribes.'

Other Nilotes like the South Sudanese are more warlike and prone to expansionism.

 

[Sol]

This just goes to show how desperately we need a navy

 

[Chase]

I agree that this existed before the civil war but the present situation is worse.

Firstly, the pre-civil war behaviour could be blamed on ignorance, many Somalis were uneducated back then or were not worldly. Now, this current generation of Somalis have benefitted from living in the West, its educational standards and globalisation, yet we still go on forums talking about fighting other countries and kicking Bantus out of Somalia.

Secondly, the wording and language used by Somali nationalists today is worse than it used to be. Somali nationalists that have grown up in the West have incorporated alt-right ideas and Western superiority theory into their rhetoric. Words like "n*gger" "c*on" "monkey" now litter the rhetoric of Somali nationalists and the writing style of a Somali nationalist discussing Arabs and Africans fits that of a 4Chan user rather than previous generations of Somalis debating at a coffee shop.

Lastly, I have already touched on this but we have never seen Somalis openly declare ideas of deporting Somali Bantus until recently. Even in generations past, the worst one would hear were insults. However, Somali nationalists today have been expressing imported ideas of white supremacy and white homeland but fitting into a Somali narrative/context.

In all, absolutely saddening behaviour.

Vast majority of western Somalis can't even name three federal states, barring a extreme minority on forums and social media, most Somalis don't care about these kinds of things.

 

[HIBAQ123]

other peoples: have civilizations
somalis: chase camels
somalis: we are best.

Ignorant af

 

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Vast majority of western Somalis can't even name three federal states, barring a extreme minority on forums and social media, most Somalis don't care about these kinds of things.

I don’t think he’s particularly talking about pride in the nation but rather pride in the idea of somalinimo, I get what he means that a select group of strange people have twisted and corrupted the identity of being Somali to suit their own needs. I still very much doubt the strength of these nationalists or ethnocentric weirdos, to me it just feels incredibly false it doesn’t really have any solid grounds, as he said they’ve been latching onto the culture of white supremacists. If they weren’t so pathetic I think we’d truly see them more often rather than just whenever there’s a new shit flinging contest on twitter.

 

[Afro Asiatic]

Dude ! They dealing with Somalia with a ragtag 4 boats with no radar with a guy with an AK47 who doesn’t even know how to swim.

All somalia needs is a few of those Miami Beach cocaine runner high speed boats with mounted machine guns against this rag tag Kenyan “navy”

 

[Chase]

I don’t think he’s particularly talking about pride in the nation but rather pride in the idea of somalinimo, I get what he means that a select group of strange people have twisted and corrupted the identity of being Somali to suit their own needs. I still very much doubt the strength of these nationalists or ethnocentric weirdos, to me it just feels incredibly false it doesn’t really have any solid grounds, as he said they’ve been latching onto the culture of white supremacists. If they weren’t so pathetic I think we’d truly see them more often rather than just whenever there’s a new shit flinging contest on twitter.

Yeah, I see what you mean. There's these generation of kids nowadays from Arab to Asian to Hindu and White etc that are into online race wars and trolling people, just wish these shaqo la aan Somali kids online who entertain this would understand they're next on the chopping block if their world view was realised.

What I meant to say was most Somalis are laid back and chill, these trolls and their way of thinking represent a minority.

 

[Based]

I'm worried about the Somalis in Kenya. They've always walked on eggshells and have been targets but this just gave those dameers more ammo to attack without reason

Looks like a slum. Idk why people are running away from xamar to live in a shithole like that

 

[Based]

Good victory for an extremely weak country with zero navy, fix up the navy and get the rest in the future

Loool wipe them tears man. Dumbarse kenyan

 

[AMusee]

ICJ today The Hague

 

[Based]

I think it’s more so that we view everyone else in extreme terms, it’s either an enemy or a close friend rather than due to a self inflated self worth. Look at how FOBs treat Turkey with such reverence and all they’re doing is completely see through. We’re much more sensitive and aware about our own issues than foreigners, it’s confused many people about our strange antics even prior to the civil war. At this point I don’t even know if it’s due to our precarious standing what with being surrounded by hostile enemies all around us, those enemies whom are much much larger and better equipped. I think it’s at this point always been part of our national identity, I can’t remember where I saw this but I remember reading an interview excerpt of an American ambassador who was stationed there in the 60s.
Here’s the section I had in mind,

“Q: Okay, the Soviets were doing this, and our policy was, if they're doing this, we've got to back the other side. But did you ever sit down and figure out what good this was going to do the Soviets, and think maybe we should just let this thing go? Or were we reactive?
ELY: …On the other hand, assisting Somalia has always been very difficult. The Peace Corps had a terrible time there. They managed to stay there for a while, but it was the most difficult Peace Corps assignment that they had.
Q: Why was it?
ELY: The Somalis are very independent-minded people, and you can't tell them anything. The Peace Corps never would go into secondary-school teaching, because once a Somali has a secondary-school education, he considers that he ought to be instructing you.”
Here’s the section wherein he discusses our fondness for nicknames, which he suggests is due to our love for choosing the same three names. He also goes on to psychoanalyse our neighbours hilariously.
“That's what they called him. I don't know whether it referred to his loquacity or just that he happened to have a large, oral aperture. To an American this was a kind of appealing, national personality characteristic. I used to contrast this with the situation in Ethiopia, which was very different. The Ethiopians are very formal, very proper, very deferential, and very polite and soft-spoken--extremely conscious of social class. They are very--what's the word? "Devious" sounds too sinister but they are very convoluted in their speech. You had to read between the lines to understand what they were saying. By contrast, the Somalis were very straightforward. They told you exactly what they thought.”

This particular quote stood extremely relevant to me lmao “they put this crazy self-importance in the world's pecking order, not realizing that they are a tiny drop in the ocean. Ive never have came across more delusional people then the Somali people".

Americano was spot on. Even before the civil war we were madax adeeg pricks. I'm still hearing stories about how we had edeb iyo aqlaaq before the civil war somalian sempre somalian

 

[GemState]

Looks like a slum. Idk why people are running away from xamar to live in a shithole like that

That place is a cash cow

 

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[NordicSomali]

The ruling is less than 24 hours away from now.


Kenya has gotten its navy ready for Somalia.

Kenya intends to sit on it as long as it takes. It knows that it might not able to exploit it.
All it cares about now is to be a spoiler.

don’t you know nations who are not unified gets to be raped by their neighbors

 

[maseera ku hayo]

I have never seen a more confident people in my life; every Somali seems to have this aristocratic air about them.

I can only imagine how Somalis would behave if their Nation was as wealthy as a Western State; Geeljires would probably declare themselves Gods.

It's not a coincidence that the colonists also noticed this very quickly and realized Somalis ain't no pushover. Its a blessing in many ways to have these characteristics. It is what saved us from brutal colonization, but today it seems more like a curse as all nuance is gone with the new troll generation in the diaspora going all out with their supremacist feelings.

Gerald Hanley is an old Colonial hand who lived amongst Somalis. This is from his book Warriors: Life and Death Among the Somalis

"A Somali always felt himself to be twice as good as any white man, or any other kinds of the man at all and still does, even when he is wrong. Islam does wonders for the self-respect of non-white people and Christianity is right to worry about the spread of Islam in Africa, and must honestly face the question of why it has happened - "

"Of all the desiccated, bitter, cruel, sun-beaten wildernesses which starve and thirst beyond the edges of Africa's luscious, jungled centre, there cannot be one more Christless than the one which begins at the northern foot of Mount Kenya and stretches to the foothills of Abyssinia, and from there to the dried-out glittering tip of Cape Gardafui where the hot karif winds blow in from where the long shark's race under the thin blue skin of the ocean. You can never think of those wildernesses without thinking of daggers and spears, rolling fierce eyes under a map of dusty black crinkly hair, of mad stubborn camels, rocks too hot to touch, and blood feuds whose origins cannot be remembered only honoured in the stabbing. But of all the races of Africa, there cannot be one better to live among then the most difficult, the proudest, the bravest, the vainest, the most merciless, the friendliest; the Somalis."

"I knew an Italian priest who had spent over thirty years among the Somalis and he made two converts, and it amazed me that he got even those two. The Prophet has no more fervent, and ignorant, followers, but that is not their fault that they are ignorant.Their natural intelligence is second to none and when the education factories start work among them they should surprise Africa, and themselves."

"I never saw a Somali who showed any fear of death, which, impressive though it sounds, carries within it the chill of pitilessness and ferocity as well. If you have no fear of death you have none for anybody else's either, but that fearlessness has always been essential to the Somalis who have had to try and survive hunger, disease and thirst while prepared to fight and die against their enemies, their fellow Somalis for pleasure in the blood feud, or the Ethiopians who would like to rule them, or the white men who got in the way for a while."

"Every time a Somali got whipped, an Italian soldier was killed"

"Wandering in The Shag (desert) were Somalis with some of the sharpest intelligence in the continent, nomads who had been forced into being parasites of the camel, for centuries, and could anyone ever find a way of using all that courage and intelligence?"

"There is no one alive as tough as the Somali nomad. No one. An askari wounded in a fight in the Haud country walked 14 miles holding his guts in his hand, was sewn up and lived to soldier again. And the women are as spiritually strong as their men."

"....You get into that way of thinking in the Somali waste. You think that way because the Somalis bitterly resent the white man, and struggle continually, and admirably, by lies and intrigue, to fight off his influence which spells the end of their peculiar world. You cannot beat them. They have no inferiority complexes, no wide-eyed worship of the white man's ways, and no fear of him, of his guns or of his official anger. They are a race to be admired, if hard to love."