Ibn Battuta's favorite city in East Africa was Mogadishu, and his most disliked city was Zeila.

[Haragwaafi]

No its not!
ياخي اذا ماتعرف عربي لاتفتي
Have you heard of ثوره الزنج
Why wasn't it called ثوره السودان if it had the same meaning?

I know arabic and زنجي doesn't directly translate to "Negro" as it's a derogatory word applied to black people by the arabs.

Have you heard of ثوره الزنج
Why wasn't it called ثوره السودان if it had the same meaning?

Cuz it was slave rebellion led by an Arab man who sought to overthrow the Abbasid state

 

[Emir of Zayla]

There were more Afar rulers in Zeila than Somali. I can say wallahi

No one cares about your wallahi my guy.

 

[HabarSteven12]

By "negro", I meant "dark-skinned". The actual word Ibn Battuta used was سود, which means “black” or “dark-skinned”. Some authors have chosen to translate this as “negro”, as the literal meaning of “negro” is “black”, same as سود. The Arabic word زنجي was used to describe the blacks of southeast Africa. It was not used to describe other blacks, such as the blacks of west Africa, who were also described as سود. Regardless, all of this is just semantics, you know what I meant.

What other communities could this description have applied to? Please, name just ONE. Please.

Hararis? Argobba? Oromos? Bantus? Arabs? Afars? Stop avoiding the question and just name ONE group for us.

So the only black Muslims that existed in Zeila were Somalis? No other black ethnic group other than Somalis inhabited the coast or further inland of Zeila. Do you realize Ibn Battuta's description fits other ethnic groups in Zeila, like the Argobba and Harla? They are also black Muslims, lol.

Also, Ibn Battuta says their food is, for the most part, camel's flesh and fish. Somalis don't consume fish and actually look down upon it. The traditional Somali diet never consisted of fish. Fish was never a major part of the Somali diet. You reached a premature conclusion about Ibn Battuta's statement based on your own preconceived assumptions.

 

[attash]

So the only black Muslims that existed in Zeila were Somalis? No other black ethnic group other than Somalis inhabited the coast or further inland of Zeila. Do you realize Ibn Battuta's description fits other ethnic groups in Zeila, like the Argobba and Harla? They are also black Muslims, lol.

Also, Ibn Battuta says their food is, for the most part, camel's flesh and fish. Somalis don't consume fish and actually look down upon it. The traditional Somali diet never consisted of fish. Fish was never a major part of the Somali diet. You reached a premature conclusion about Ibn Battuta's statement based on your own preconceived assumptions.

Does the territory of the Argobba or Harla stretch between Zeila and Mogadishu? Yes or No?

Also, there is no evidence that the Somali diet never consisted of fish. Some accounts from the 19th century say the Somalis of that time period didn't consume fish. This doesn't mean that Somalis never ever in history consumed fish, it only means that the Somalis of the time period and area didn't consume fish. You're grasping at straws at this point .

 

[HabarSteven12]

The books say that these tribes lived in Zeila. Where is the evidence that these tribes ruled Zeila? Give us a direct quote.

To this day, you haven't named a single Somali leader who ruled over Zeila before the Arabs migration into the historic town. There was not a single mention of a Somali ruler in Zeila prior to the 19th century in any academic source. If those Arab tribes were just settlers, then there must have been an indigenous Somali ruler in Zeila. What was his name?

The book of Aqeeliyoon doesn't refer to a single Somali ruler in Zeila. Those Arabs settled and ruled Zeila, and it is well documented. I already listed all the Arab tribes that ruled Zeila. Hussein Al Zaylici, Banu Makhzum, Mawyanni, and Walashma rulers. Now you are trying to use one of your cheap antics to deflect from my main point. Name a single Somali ruler in Zeila before the 19th century.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

To this day, you haven't named a single Somali leader who ruled over Zeila before the Arabs migration into the historic town. There was not a single mention of a Somali ruler in Zeila prior to the 19th century in any academic source. If those Arab tribes were just settlers, then there must have been an indigenous Somali ruler in Zeila. What was his name?

The book of Aqeeliyoon doesn't refer to a single Somali ruler in Zeila. Those Arabs settled and ruled Zeila, and it is well documented. I already listed all the Arab tribes that ruled Zeila. Hussein Al Zaylici, Banu Makhzum, Mawyanni, and Walashma rulers. Now you are trying to use one of your cheap antics to deflect from my main point. Name a single Somali ruler in Zeila before the 19th century.

What’s this mysterious Arab migration to Zeila? you really do love to cope, Walashma are not Arabs and Zayla’i is a Somali nisba

 

[HabarSteven12]

Does the territory of the Argobba or Harla stretch between Zeila and Mogadishu? Yes or No?

Also, there is no evidence that the Somali diet never consisted of fish. Some accounts from the 19th century say the Somalis of that time period didn't consume fish. This doesn't mean that Somalis never ever in history consumed fish, it only means that the Somalis of the time period and area didn't consume fish. You're grasping at straws at this point .

Historically, Zayla was described as a territory of forty-three days’ march by forty, divided into seven great provinces, speaking about fifty languages, and ruled by Amirs, subject to the Hati (Hatze) of Abyssinia. Out of all those 50 languages, what makes you unquestionably certain that it was referring to Somalis? Arrogoba controlled a significant amount of land, and they were of great importance to the Muslim rulers in the region. They used to dominate and have considerable influence in the region.

In his description of the territory of Prester John (the Christian King), the 16th-century Portuguese author Alvarez wrote that when the king went on a campaign to Adiya, he left the queen and his children in the custody of the rulers of the Kingdom of Argobba. He wrote that this kingdom, which was adjacent to the Kingdom of Adiya, had its eastern border in the direction of Mogadishu.

 

[attash]

Historically, Zayla was described as a territory of forty-three days’ march by forty, divided into seven great provinces, speaking about fifty languages, and ruled by Amirs, subject to the Hati (Hatze) of Abyssinia. Out of all those 50 languages, what makes you unquestionably certain that it was referring to Somalis? Arrogoba controlled a significant amount of land, and they were of great importance to the Muslim rulers in the region. They used to dominate and have considerable influence in the region.

In his description of the territory of Prester John (the Christian King), the 16th-century Portuguese author Alvarez wrote that when the king went on a campaign to Adiya, he left the queen and his children in the custody of the rulers of the Kingdom of Argobba. He wrote that this kingdom, which was adjacent to the Kingdom of Adiya, had its eastern border in the direction of Mogadishu.

This argument has reached the point where you are claiming Argobbas have had a presence in Mogadishu. You have given me enough laughs for now, people are starting to look at me like I'm crazy. Until next time sxb.

 

[Guure⁸]

السو

No its not!
ياخي اذا ماتعرف عربي لاتفتي
Have you heard of ثوره الزنج
Why wasn't it called ثوره السودان if it had the same meaning?

السود means black people and black people are negros

 

[Maakhri2024]

السود means black people and black people are negros

وسافرت من مدينة عدن في البحر أربعة أيام ووصلت إلى مدينة زيلع وهي مدينة البرابرة وهم طائفة من السودان شافعية المذهب
I traveled from the city of Aden by sea for four days and arrived in the city of Zeila, which is the city of the Berbers, a Shafi’i sect from Sudaan.

In his narrative, Ibn Battuta refers to the Berbers " the Somalis "
as “ Sudaan السودان ” employing the medieval Arabic term al‑Sudaan ,
a designation used to mean “Black people ” .
He thereby distinguishes them from the lighter-skinned Berbers of
North Africa .
From Arabic , the Sudaan السودان = the Black .

ثم ركبت من مدينة مقدشو متوجها
إلى بلاد السواحل
قاصدا مدينة كُلْوَ١ من بلاد الزنوج
Then I left Mogadishu, heading for the swahili lands,
towards the town of Kilwa in the land of the Zanj.

Ibn Battūṭa uses the term al‑zunūj (زنج, Zanj),
a medieval Arabic ethnonym denoting the Bantu-speaking black African populations of the Swahili coast ,
to distinguish them from the phenotypically similar but linguistically and culturally distinct Black-skinned Berbers of the Horn of Africa, who are not labeled as such in his narrative .
al‑zunūj الزنوج ( singular Zanj زنج ) = Negros .
From Persian زنگی (zangi, “dark-skinned”), from Middle Persian zngyk' (zangīg, “Negro”).

كتاب معجم البلدان لياقوت الحموي

ولهم هناك مدن أجلّها مقدشو، وسكانها عرباء واستوطنوا تلك البلاد، وهم مسلمون، طوائف لا سلطان لهم لكل طائفة شيخ يأتمرون له، وهي على برّ البربر، وهم طائفة من العربان غير الذين هم في المغرب، بلادهم بين الحبشة والزنج، وسنذكرهم بعد إن شاء الله تعالى، ثم يمتد بر البربر على ساحل بحر الزنج إلى قرابة عدن، وأقصى هذا البحر يتصل بالبحر المحيط.

Yaqut al-Hamawi :
Kitāb Mu'jam al-Buldān ( معجم البلدان)

They have cities there, the most important of which is Mogadishu, and its inhabitants are Bedouins who settled in this country, and they are Muslims,
groups without a Sultan , each group has a sheikh whom they obey,
and it is on the land of the Berbers, who are a group of Bedouins and they are not like those of the Maghreb " North Africa ",
their land is between Abyssinia and Zanj, and we will mention them later, God willing,
then the land of the Berbers extends on the coast of the Sea of Zanj until near Aden, and the farthest part of this sea connects with the Ocean Sea.

Side note :
عرباء = العربان = بدو / أهل البادية
ʕurbāʔ عرباء = ʕurbān عربان = Bedouins .

 

[Nur_]

Battuta observed that the customary greeting resembled that used in Yemen: touch one finger to the ground, then to one’s head, and wish, “May God prolong your might.” Ibn Battuta was fed three meals a day, free of charge. He was given free accommodation and showered with gifts. The Sultan and Qadhi took great care of him. He was invited directly to the house of the “qadi” of Mogdishu.

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[Nur_]

19th century british sources claim Zeila was under Arab rule until Haji SharmarkeView attachment 307840

I'm not debunking this as I do not have the knowledge to do so but keep in mind they also thought we were Saudi Arabian and Oromo mix breeds back then. I wouldn't trust most of what the British in the 19th century though for good reason.


Edit: I just realised how old the responses I quoted are. I just saw it in latest threads and thought it was a new discussion

 

[Guure⁸]

In his narrative, Ibn Battuta refers to the Berbers " the Somalis "
as “ Sudaan السودان ” employing the medieval Arabic term al‑Sudaan ,
a designation used to mean “Black people ” .
He thereby distinguishes them from the lighter-skinned Berbers of
North Africa .
From Arabic , the Sudaan السودان = the Black .



Ibn Battūṭa uses the term al‑zunūj (زنج, Zanj),


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I'm not debunking this as I do not have the knowledge to do so but keep in mind they also thought we were Saudi Arabian and Oromo mix breeds back then. I wouldn't trust most of what the British in the 19th century though for good reason.


Edit: I just realised how old the responses I quoted are. I just saw it in latest threads and thought it was a new discussion

When I was new here I used to revive threads cause I thought nobody will see

 

[Xareen]

The term barbara itself is ambiguous and inconclusive.

Ethnonym used for Somalis (and sometimes related groups) since antiquity, and perhaps even as far back as the Bronze Age, is apparently ambiguous and inconclusive. If people allow these 18th century mongrel Indian-Yemeni refugees muddy the water on this, then we might as well just gas Mogadishu right now.

 

[Guure⁸]

Ethnonym used for Somalis (and sometimes related groups) since antiquity, and perhaps even as far back as the Bronze Age, is apparently ambiguous and inconclusive. If people allow these 18th century mongrel Indian-Yemeni refugees muddy the water on this, then we might as well just gas Mogadishu right now.

That dude tried everything to discredited somalis from history, I've read his threads and it's all hatred against soomali

 

[Xareen]

That dude tried everything to discredited somalis from history, I've read his threads and it's all hatred against soomali

colour me shocked. racially insecure pajeet from the most sinisterly subversive minority in the country has accounted dedicated to trying to discredit Somalis.