Iberomauresian had African DNA but from who?

[EDsomali]

Depends. I think in North Sudan, maybe parts of Egypt, Libya, and Chad there may have been AEA-ANA hybrids, but I doubt so in the paleolithic Horn which from all the available data seemed to have been a very isolated region very different from today's Horners.

I notice than Dinka seem to have some Iberomaurusian ancestry.

Maybe an indication that we carry some ANA on our Nilotic side aswell or just false signal from recent Eurasian ancestry?

 

[Apollo]

I notice than Dinka seem to have some Iberomaurusian ancestry.

Maybe an indication that we carry some ANA on our Nilotic side aswell or just false signal from recent Eurasian ancestry?

If West Africans have it like the Yoruba, who knows perhaps Nilotes can have it at a low level as well.

But I doubt paleo-Horners had it. Too far away from North Africa and more barriers (Ethiopian highlands).

 

[EDsomali]

If West Africans have it like the Yoruba, who knows perhaps Nilotes can have it at a low level as well.

But I doubt paleo-Horners had it. Too far away from North Africa and more barriers (Ethiopian highlands).

But it seems that Dinka levels are higher than that of West Africans with confirmed ~10% ancestry when used as a reference for ancestry.

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Notice that Somalis have higher ancestry of Iberomaurusian than Tigray for example.

Perhaps there was ancient contact between ANA and AEA.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

But it seems that Dinka levels are higher than that of West Africans with confirmed ~10% ancestry when used as a reference for ancestry.

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Notice that Somalis have higher ancestry of Iberomaurusian than Tigray for example.

Perhaps there was ancient contact between ANA and AEA.

Tigray have it lower most likely due to recent South Semitic Ancestory. Tigray on average are 10% South Semitic so their iberomuurasian ancestry would go down by 10% (24% to 14%) and the rest would be recent middle eastern ancestry.

 

[EDsomali]

Tigray have it lower most likely due to recent South Semitic Ancestory. Tigray on average are 10% South Semitic so their iberomuurasian ancestry would go down by 10% to 14% and the rest would be recent middle eastern ancestry.

The runs used no modern populations.

So the fits are quite bad tbh.

Xabasha have like 20% Yemeni and 10-15% Omotic DNA hence there lower levels of iberomaurusians.

But this may mean that our AEA may have carried ANA admixture, possibly 20-30%.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

The runs used no modern populations.

So the fits are quite bad tbh.

Xabasha have like 20% Yemeni and 10-15% Omotic DNA hence there lower levels of iberomaurusians.

But this may mean that our AEA may have carried ANA admixture, possibly 20-30%.

Wait, if our AEA ancestors carried up to 20% ANA then our ancestory would be 80% Eurasian to 20% Sub Sharan African? Endless these ANA were Negroid in origin.

 

[EDsomali]

Wait, if our AEA ancestors carried up to 20% ANA then our ancestory would be 80% Eurasian to 20% Sub Sharan African? Endless these ANA were Negroid in origin.

Terms like Negroid are unscientific.

ANA probably was part of the OOA group but remigrated back into Africa early on.

No one really knows what ANA looked like or even is. It's purely a theoretical component.

Unless we get samples of DNA and possibly body specimens then we won't really know for sure.

 

[land owner]

So how Neolithic Levantine and taforalt were our ancient North African ancestors??? What’s the percentage?

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

So how Neolithic Levantine and taforalt were our ancient North African ancestors??? What’s the percentage?

40% they are where all our Eurasian admixture comes from.

 

[land owner]

40% they are where all our Eurasian admixture comes from.

I know they’re about 40% of our ancestry I just want the beak down of our ancient North African ancestry alone, I wanna know how neolithic Levantine and taforalt they were

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

I know they’re about 40% of our ancestry I just want the beak down of our ancient North African ancestry alone, I wanna know how neolithic Levantine and taforalt they were

probably mostly Neothlithic Levantine since that's where Afro-Asiatic languages originated from. But we won't know for sure till we get more DNA results grom their skeletons. I think they were 80% Levantie and 20% Taforat. which would be 5% Taforat for us and remainder being Levantine.

 

[land owner]

probably mostly Neothlithic Levantine since that's where Afro-Asiatic languages originated from. But we won't know for sure till we get more DNA results grom their skeletons. I think they were 80% Levantie and 20% Taforat. which would be 5% Taforat for us and remainder being Levantine.

I believe they also had some chalcolithic Iranian ancestry as well

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

I believe they also had some chalcolithic Iranian ancestry as well

Bro I am Iranian and from Mesopotamia woooow

 

[land owner]

Bro I am Iranian and from Mesopotamia woooow

sumerians n persians n shiet

 

[Pseudo-A'staramaia]

probably mostly Neothlithic Levantine since that's where Afro-Asiatic languages originated from. But we won't know for sure till we get more DNA results grom their skeletons. I think they were 80% Levantie and 20% Taforat. which would be 5% Taforat for us and remainder being Levantine.

Afro-Asiatic is from north Africa, not Levantine

This is the consensus for 20 years now in linguistics, Levantine homeland now sounds like pseudoscience

Ibermaurusians were like 50% eurasian but not Natufian bc Natufians have Ibermaurusian blood and ANA

There was no Iranian ancestry in the neolithic Levant or the Ibermaurusian or ancient Cushitics, it has ANE and siberian ancestry

 

[Apollo]

There was no Iranian ancestry in the neolithic Levant or the Ibermaurusian or ancient Cushitics, it has ANE and siberian ancestry

Early Neolithic Iranians didn't have any ANE/Paleo-Siberian. That came with the Indo-European invasions from the Steppe much later.

The Middle East had two main Neolithic groups:

Levant Neolithic.

Zagros/Iranian Neolithic.

Despite being close to each geographically, they were quite different in terms of genetics.

 

[Pseudo-A'staramaia]

Early Neolithic Iranians didn't have ANE/Paleo-Siberian. That came with the Indo-European invasions from the Steppe.

Their R2 and close relationship to CHG is because they are ANE + dzudzuana. They are why Balochis have high ANE although they have low steppe ancestry. And why some Dravidians with low steppe have alot of ANE

CHG and Iranian neolithic are two points of a cline from ANE to no ANE more basal dzudzuana. Early Iran Neolithic were very ANE

The Iranian Turan neolithic people had even more ANE affinity bc of WSHG

 

[Pseudo-A'staramaia]

This is good except Cushitic and Omotic being grouped

 

[Apollo]

This is good except Cushitic and Omotic being grouped

The original/proto-Omotics were similar to the proto-Cushites, but instead likely carried E-M84.

Most modern Omotics are majority Mota (local forager, non-Omotic) rather than actually being Omotic in the sense of the ancestral ethnolinguistic population.

PS. Whoever made that map was too E-M78-centric. The PAA likely had several E-M35 lineages, not just M78.

They are why Balochis have high ANE although they have low steppe ancestry. And why some Dravidians with low steppe have alot of ANE.

Hmm, there's a theory that Dravidian is a foreign language family to India and was brought there with the Iranian Neolithic farmers. Modern Dravidians could be Iran Neolithic + Onge-like.

R2, J, and LT could be Iranian Neolithic lineages. By the way, R2 is not close to R1. Quite an early divergence between them.

 

[Pseudo-A'staramaia]

The original/proto-Omotics were similar to the proto-Cushites, but instead likely carried E-M84.

Most modern Omotics are majority Mota (local forager, non-Omotic) rather than actually being Omotic in the sense of the ancestral ethnolinguistic population.

PS. Whoever made that map was too E-M78-centric. The PAA likely had several E-M35 lineages, not just M78.



Hmm, there's a theory that Dravidian is a foreign language family to India and was brought there with the Iranian Neolithic farmers. Modern Dravidians could be Iran Neolithic + Onge-like.

R2 and LT could be Iranian Neolithic lineages. By the way, R2 is not close to R1. Quite an early divergence between them.

Most Afro-Asiatic people are nothing like proto Afro-Asiatics. Ibermaurusian is closest we have. Omotics are not special I think in this. Look at the Ashkhenazi and Ouldeme kkkk

They are 16 - 18% west eurasian, and some of the east african is not Mota type, it looks like its from Sudan but dont look like Nilote (no WA)

The PAA map guy looks crazy from his FBD posts. I agree with you that many E M35 lineages were involved not just E M78. Sometimes this E1b1b1a vs E1b1b1b is like the war of R1a vs R1b being the first Indo European ydna

LT looks like it has the most diversity around the black sea area, even T. Maybe it is the dzudzuana ydna bc it unite Iranian neolithic with Anatolia/levant neolithic. Both have dzudzuana, but more basal. But since its not more related to K2 than IJ, I think its maybe originally east eurasian

Maybe dzudzuana people were LT, and some mix with ANE and become Iranian/CHG and other mix with IBM and become Levantine and Anatolia mostly the same. All of the neolithic groups share ydna LT. E1b and R2 in Levant and Iranian is bc of E1b IBM and R2 ANE type people and dzudzuana mixing and forming both

I think T1 in neolithic Europe and Africa is Anatolia and Levant neolithic. LT autosomal divergence is similar to how one branch of P1 is mostly west eurasian (R) and another (Q) is mostly east eurasian. Both likely come from Andaman-Negrito-Papuan type men with ydna K2b in paleolithic SEA who mix with east asian, and then with west eurasian ancestor of ANE in north asia and form ANE