How tribalism is being used to undermine our shared ethnicity.

[Angelina]

There is an international project for Hawiye/Darood ethnicity that was being heavily financed and supported by the international community more than Somaliland was.

Very simple really.

Loool, less than 30 yrs you have SL Daroods fighting you telling you they don’t believe in this Isaaq project. Go get your land back instead of talking about a failed Somalia. You can’t even keep your colonial British borders and lost the war.

Why do you keep on talking about a Hawiye/Darood project when Daroods are also part of SL? It’s clear to see that you see SL as mostly an Isaaq project.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Loool, less than 30 yrs you have SL Daroods fighting you telling you they don’t believe in this Isaaq project. Go get your land back instead of talking about a failed Somalia. You can’t even keep your colonial British borders and lost the war.

Why do you keep on talking about a Hawiye/Darood project when Daroods are also part of SL? It’s clear to see that you see SL as mostly an Isaaq project.

Your whole rebuttal has already been answered.

The Hawiye/darood ethnostate (Somalia) has had the vast majority of the international backing for the last 20 years. Once Somaliland gets a significant backing the borders will be closed and you can call this forum HawiyeDarood spot or Somalia spot.

You don't have a Somali state but you criticize Somaliland. You must be hawiye/darood otherwise you wouldn't confuse Somalia for a Somali ethno state.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Man said ajuran Fictional kingdom

It is fictional. Somalia never had actual states the way SL & Eastern Ethiopia did.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Al shabaab teaches their youth to hate oromo or amharic. It’s a tactic they use. Somalis figured out to make the enemy external over a tribe down the block alhamdulilah. It’s an improvement but anytime you oromo its code for "gaal" in Shabaab language. Thats how they speak. Imo Shabaab might be able to replace qabilism when the boomers go. I knew about family of three siblings older, one hated other black people, the other brother hated non-muslim whites and the sister hated other somali tribes. Wa yaab. Same family.

Wtf is this mirqaan h*tu talking about?

 

[chut]

Even outside of Somalia they dont accomplish shit. They shit on Ilhan but where is their Ilhan? Where is their influence? I no longer tolerate their mental illness.

Mo farah is from somaliland and has accomplished way more than ilhan omar.

 

[sh-89]

Wtf is this mirqaan h*tu talking about?

Hutus are superior to your guys. This dumb slur exposes are dumb you arem hutus beat tutsis. So you are calling us the winner of that war, dumb dumb.

And the superficial nonsense that we look hutu is garbage. Your women are manly and aggressive no wonder they basically rape the men on the first night by jumping on them and deflowering them.

Mo farah is from somaliland and has accomplished way more than ilhan omar.

The c00n who ran for England with the foreign wife? Funny you guys attack Ilhan when her first husband was Somali and call her c00n but crickets when the Isaaq married a garob let's move on. But a Somali woman would have to be a 10, good family, educated, same tribe and under 25. But a outsider is anything goes. Haha losers.

 

[Angelina]

It is fictional. Somalia never had actual states the way SL & Eastern Ethiopia did.

I wouldn’t go there tbh. I have no knowledge of the Ajuran empire but what has been written about Adal shows that Isaaqs probably weren’t involved. One sub-clan mentioned might have been a Isaaq subclan- I hope it is, would be cool, yet historical scholars believe it was likely Dir. Marehan who currently reside in the South were actually named as soldiers and Ahmed Gurey the leader was said to be either a Dir or even shock horror from a clan you call Hutu. A karanle Hutu you would say. So the soldiers were Darood and a so called Hutu was leading the region.

That is what makes basing Somali history on colonial borders hilarious. You’ll end up looking silly in the process.

 

[Angelina]

Your whole rebuttal has already been answered.

The Hawiye/darood ethnostate (Somalia) has had the vast majority of the international backing for the last 20 years. Once Somaliland gets a significant backing the borders will be closed and you can call this forum HawiyeDarood spot or Somalia spot.

Closed from whom? Your Darood countrymen? Do you not see how confused you are?

You don't have a Somali state but you criticize Somaliland. You must be hawiye/darood otherwise you wouldn't confuse Somalia for a Somali ethno state.

I criticize all. I never said Somalia was entirely an ethno state? They have Bantus? They have Sab who might be different to people who speak af Maxaa.

But pointing the finger at Somalia when you’re a new state built on the idea of Somalia’s failure but still having issues with deep tribalism, clan skirmishes and non Isaaq qabils feeling resentment isn’t the best start and that has nothing to do with Somalia.

That is merely my point. It’s the truth and no amount of side stepping will change that and you’re also speaking to
Someone who has no issues with SL
Sovereignty.

 

[chut]

Hutus are superior to your guys. This dumb slur exposes are dumb you arem hutus beat tutsis. So you are calling us the winner of that war, dumb dumb.

And the superficial nonsense that we look hutu is garbage. Your women are manly and aggressive no wonder they basically rape the men on the first night by jumping on them and deflowering them.

The c00n who ran for England with the foreign wife? Funny you guys attack Ilhan when her first husband was Somali and call her c00n but crickets when the Isaaq married a garob let's move on. But a Somali woman would have to be a 10, good family, educated, same tribe and under 25. But a outsider is anything goes. Haha losers.

Why are you so pressed?

 

[Angelina]

I think it’s mad insulting each others qabil like that. You lot need to understand that many of us are a mix of different tribes and that whilst Somalis might not be politically aligned or want to share nations doesn’t mean we are not one ethnic group who are heavily interrelated.

Insulting each others women is Wallahi ceeb and @sh-89 stop or I’ll have to report you.

 

[Midas]

the amount of historical illiteracy in this thread is breathtaking .

I'll only mention one thing. First there was no actual concept of the nation-state as people today understand it before the 19th century.

Nations existed which were people who shared a common identity,language and relegion (Which somalis have always been) And then there were states who ruled over anybody within their territory regardless of ethnicity or relegion. These are two completely different concepts. Also the loyalty of these people was also not to some idea of a state but the actual king guy or royal family who was in charge. They were "subjects of the king" for a reason.

 

[Angelina]

@Itsnotthateasy

As your name suggests, Somali politics isn’t that easy at all. To suggest that Hawiye and Darood have some sort of pact of similar ideologies is silly. A very qabilist Hawiye would love it if Isaaqs forced Dhulus to be back with SL as it means less Daroods threatening them politically. You’re a fool to think that outside influences had anything to do with SLs misstep with the SL Daroods. You had the support of HG Hawiyes who wanted SL to take back your Daroods.

 

[chut]

But pointing the finger at Somalia when you’re a new state built on the idea of Somalia’s failure but still having issues with deep tribalism, clan skirmishes and non Isaaq qabils feeling resentment isn’t the best start and that has nothing to do with Somalia.

The only reason somalia exists is because somaliland joined them when they were under italian occupation so Idk why you are acting like somaliland only exists because of somalias failure. We got independence before you but only joined you because you were somali like us.

 

[Angelina]

the amount of historical illiteracy in this thread is breathtaking .

I'll only mention one thing. First there was no actual concept of the nation-state as people today understand it before the 19th century.

Nations existed which were people who shared a common identity,language and relegion (Which somalis have always been) And then there were states who ruled over anybody within their territory regardless of ethnicity or relegion. These are two completely different concepts. Also the loyalty of these people was also not to some idea of a state but the actual king guy or royal family who was in charge. They were "subjects of the king" for a reason.

If you’re replying to me, then I’ll suggest you learn to read. Not once did I suggest that states existed. Not once. I’ve said time and time again that there was no statehood and it was decentralized.

The word nation has various meanings. For example in this context of nation I meant a nation in terms of having a common ancestry and not a nationhood. Hence why I said, the Somalis were a nation of people before a statehood meaning before the concept of having a country or being centralized they were a nation of people in terms of being of the same ethnicity.

 

[reer]

@Itsnotthateasy

As your name suggests, Somali politics isn’t that easy at all. To suggest that Hawiye and Darood have some sort of pact of similar ideologies is silly. A very qabilist Hawiye would love it if Isaaqs forced Dhulus to be back with SL as it means less Daroods threatening them politically. You’re a fool to think that outside influences had anything to do with SLs misstep with the SL Daroods. You had the support of HG Hawiyes who wanted SL to take back your Daroods.

somali politics requires you to not be emotional and isaaq elites are the opposite. and they lost plenty of sympathy points when they fought dhulbahante in 2023.

 

[Angelina]

The only reason somalia exists is because somaliland joined them when they were under italian occupation so Idk why you are acting like somaliland only exists because of somalias failure. We got independence before you but only joined you because you were somali like us.

Yes, if the war against Isaaqs didn’t happen, Isaaqs would not want their own state. This is basic history 101. So yes, it was due to the failings of Said’s Somalia that propelled the idea of independence.

You got independence but never exercised the idea of having your own country until Siad massacred the North. SL before 1960 was not a sovereign country but part of the British Empire.

 

[Midas]

If you’re replying to me, then I’ll suggest you learn to read. Not once did I suggest that states existed. Not once. I’ve said time and time again that there was no statehood and it was decentralized.

The word nation has various meanings. For example in this context of nation I meant a nation in terms of having a common ancestry and not a nationhood. Hence why I said, the Somalis were a nation of people before a statehood meaning before the concept of having a country or being centralized they were a nation of people in terms of being of the same ethnicity.

No i was more talking about the people who were saying that Somalis were not a nation
I thought it was obvious?

 

[Midas]

Also no offense to the cad cads. But its pretty clear to me that most of them are more recent arrivals after rhe decline of Mogadishu and the rest of the urban centers in somalia in the 1600s.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

@Itsnotthateasy

As your name suggests, Somali politics isn’t that easy at all. To suggest that Hawiye and Darood have some sort of pact of similar ideologies is silly. A very qabilist Hawiye would love it if Isaaqs forced Dhulus to be back with SL as it means less Daroods threatening them politically. You’re a fool to think that outside influences had anything to do with SLs misstep with the SL Daroods. You had the support of HG Hawiyes who wanted SL to take back your Daroods.

The core principles of the pact are maintained in terms rotating presidencies and number of federal states. Many other issues are contentious but SL soveriengty is not supported as these are the lands and people (along with Rahanweyn and Dirs and minorities) to be dominated once the political settlement between Hawiye/Darood becomes viable.

You can hear that in Garaad Jama's speech when he says Somaliland has been fattened and ready for slaughter (by Hawiye/Darood ethnic groups).

But the overwhelming consensus is that project (Somalia) has failed. Politics has been abandonned and what's left is for the mask to fully fall and to start from scratch.

 

[Angelina]

Also no offense to the cadds. But its pretty clear to me that most of them are more recent arrivals after rhe decline of Mogadishu and the rest of the urban centers in somalia in the 1600s.

I think they have steadily been coming to Somali shores for a millennium. Some more recent and some who’ve been there for centuries upon centuries who are probably more Somali looking in appearances. You have Reer Xamaris who look no different to an average ethnic Somali and are probably 80% DNA wise