How tribalism is being used to undermine our shared ethnicity.

[DR OSMAN]

Stop switching subjects you were trying to claim how daroods and hawiye don't work together or there's no pact between them when there obviously is and stated by third parties who have knowledge on the issue. You would probably try to hide the fact if it wasn't in black and white.

You are trying to create a wedge where darood could never consider themselves part of Somaliland, a crab in the bucket play you could call it. Ofcourse they can and they have and there's no problems. Defined borders are the biggest part of thing anyway.

That doesn't mean there isn't a IC scheme to rebuild somalia under Hawiye/Darood and that complicates things for Somaliland but not a lot really. How can Somaliland's democracy compete with a supremist project?

Waryaa punk ass nigga sunki made in PL in aan soo xirta miyad rabta? This ain't no synthetic shit nigga, this is high grade crocodile pure leather belt( it's karbash value is pharoahnic grade), this is made in PL thru the leather factory in Bosaao nigga.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

For whatever it's worth son Somalia may not have a functioning govt but it has secured its sovereign responsibility and rights till eternity and as Somalia builds U will go into isolation alone and that's if we don't get Ogaden to close the border and Hartis March into erigavo, burco and finally into gabiley and say what now son, Its final solution not operation anymore as their shall be no exit route this time like harshin or Aideed saving your ass by launching a second front in the south for irirism. Come on I'm waiting for it, go cry samaale clans save me before I become failed Galla clan like wardey in Kenya.

It will collapse when the Africans leave lol. Imagine being dependent on other Africans for your existence. That is a new low the world has never seen. There is bushmen bringing civilization to Somalia.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

It is fictional. Somalia never had actual states the way SL & Eastern Ethiopia did.

Koonfur had states stop trolling man

 

[Barkhadle1520]

There was unified kingdom/sultanate that covered parts of the southern Somali coast with large parts of the interior.

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Went through it here:

EU5 Horn of Africa

So there is a fifth installment of a super popular strategy game called Europa Universalis releasing soon and this is their planned depiction of the political and cultural environment during the 14th century in the horn. What are your thoughts on how realistic this is...

www.somalispot.com

But there was no Ajuuran sultanate per say, the name ''Ajuuran'' was a local nickname for taxing state admins not a name for a state.

You can tell they are describing the exact same set up as Bar'Sa Din/Awdal where the leaders would tax and cordinated production because they remember a political organization that stretched as far as Zeila.

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Wether you call it Mogadishu sultanate or Ajuuran is trivial as they could be viewed as placeholder names.

There was unified kingdom/sultanate that covered parts of the southern Somali coast with large parts of the interior.

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Went through it here:

EU5 Horn of Africa

So there is a fifth installment of a super popular strategy game called Europa Universalis releasing soon and this is their planned depiction of the political and cultural environment during the 14th century in the horn. What are your thoughts on how realistic this is...

www.somalispot.com

But there was no Ajuuran sultanate per say, the name ''Ajuuran'' was a local nickname for taxing state admins not a name for a state.

You can tell they are describing the exact same set up as Bar'Sa Din/Awdal where the leaders would tax and cordinated production because they remember a political organization that stretched as far as Zeila.

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Wether you call it Mogadishu sultanate or Ajuuran is trivial as they could be viewed as placeholder names.

1. The first screenshot talks about is Senex's map which literally contradicts you
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g8200.ct001445/?r=0.658,0.291,0.221,0.086,0

2. This is absurd.. an Ajuran state according to "legends" which reached all the way to zeila.. Do you hear yourself ?

3. The last screenshot you shared is also fantasical with no basis whatsoever, it claims the Ajuran were ruled by an Imam but the first mention of Ajuran by revoil in the 19th century says they had a Sultan, i dont believe aydrus should be quoted in any case but he also writes that there was once a ruler of the ajuran named Sultan muhammad the ajuran

So I think Somalis need to lay off the baasto iyo baris history with these Ajuran imams, we have some vague theories about their existence and I dont deny they at some point were influential in the interior but stop making it this coastal empire thats just historically false, on the coast there was Mogadishu, Jub, and Barawa thats it

I believe more research is needed in the future to accurately know their history, and they do have manuscripts but none has been found yet, the only reason we know so much about reer waqoyi history is thanks to cadaan and ethiopian research but koonfur has had no research at all

Just ignore this ajuran bs until then

 

[chut]

I wouldn’t go there tbh. I have no knowledge of the Ajuran empire but what has been written about Adal shows that Isaaqs probably weren’t involved. One sub-clan mentioned might have been a Isaaq subclan- I hope it is, would be cool, yet historical scholars believe it was likely Dir. Marehan who currently reside in the South were actually named as soldiers and Ahmed Gurey the leader was said to be either a Dir or even shock horror from a clan you call Hutu. A karanle Hutu you would say. So the soldiers were Darood and a so called Hutu was leading the region.

That is what makes basing Somali history on colonial borders hilarious. You’ll end up looking silly in the process.

You're saying isaaq weren't part of the adal empire but weren't habr magaadle (an isaaq subclan)mentioned in the futuh al habasha?

 

[Barkhadle1520]

You're saying isaaq Wasn't part of the adal empire but weren't habr magaadle (an isaaq subclan)mentioned in the futuh al habasha?

Theyre mentioned in some copies but not mentioned in others, well never know until the oldest copy is revealed

 

[Garaad Awal]

Koonfur had states stop trolling man

Name them? Ajuuraan Empire was fictional, name a real kingdom or empire that existed in Somalia? Perhaps these Banadiri Indian-Hawiye hybrids truly civilized your kind

 

[Garaad Awal]

I wouldn’t go there tbh. I have no knowledge of the Ajuran empire but what has been written about Adal shows that Isaaqs probably weren’t involved. One sub-clan mentioned might have been a Isaaq subclan- I hope it is, would be cool, yet historical scholars believe it was likely Dir. Marehan who currently reside in the South were actually named as soldiers and Ahmed Gurey the leader was said to be either a Dir or even shock horror from a clan you call Hutu. A karanle Hutu you would say. So the soldiers were Darood and a so called Hutu was leading the region.

That is what makes basing Somali history on colonial borders hilarious. You’ll end up looking silly in the process.

Hutu, the Futuh mentions two different clans. The Habar Maqdi led by Garaad Dawit (Xabashi name), the current Dir online claim this is one of their subclans could care less. The Habar Magaadle which is the majority of Isaaqs (HA,HY,CG & Arap) were led Ahmed Gurey bin Hussein As-Somali. There is no doubt for someone who read the Futuh that the Isaaq participated and it makes sense since the Adal Sultanate’s heartland lies in the Isaaq heartland.

Marexaan were mentioned as traitors who killed the Sultan of Saylac’s messenger and then fled to the wild lands of the Hawiye. Habar Magaadle brought more troops than any single Somali sub clan (2k men & 200 horses).Karanle are not mentioned nor any modern Dir subclan nor was Imam Ahmed a Somali let alone a Hutu.The only time Hawiye was mentioned is when the Marexaan fled to them to escape Adalite justice. Hawiye have no history.

Now Hutu tell me, what history do you have?

 

[Garaad Awal]

It will collapse when the Africans leave lol. Imagine being dependent on other Africans for your existence. That is a new low the world has never seen. There is bushmen bringing civilization to Somalia.

They might as well give the Somali Bantus weapons and make one of them their dictator. They would rule them better than the Hutu-Jabarti duopoly.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Name them? Ajuuraan Empire was fictional, name a real kingdom or empire that existed in Somalia? Perhaps these Banadiri Indian-Hawiye hybrids truly civilized your kind

the research is too qashin to claim anything for now im not southerner btw

 

[Afar indhood]

Hutu, the Futuh mentions two different clans. The Habar Maqdi led by Garaad Dawit (Xabashi name), the current Dir online claim this is one of their subclans could care less. The Habar Magaadle which is the majority of Isaaqs (HA,HY,CG & Arap) were led Ahmed Gurey bin Hussein As-Somali. There is no doubt for someone who read the Futuh that the Isaaq participated and it makes sense since the Adal Sultanate’s heartland lies in the Isaaq heartland.

Marexaan were mentioned as traitors who killed the Sultan of Saylac’s messenger and then fled to the wild lands of the Hawiye. Habar Magaadle brought more troops than any single Somali sub clan (2k men & 200 horses).Karanle are not mentioned nor any modern Dir subclan nor was Imam Ahmed a Somali let alone a Hutu.The only time Hawiye was mentioned is when the Marexaan fled to them to escape Adalite justice. Hawiye have no history.

Now Hutu tell me, what history do you have?

You are the most obnoxious user on sspot.
Ciilka ku haayo weligaa kaama harayee, kill yourself, so that you may find peace at last. Illaah kuma caafiyo.

 

[Angelina]

Hutu, the Futuh mentions two different clans. The Habar Maqdi led by Garaad Dawit (Xabashi name), the current Dir online claim this is one of their subclans could care less. The Habar Magaadle which is the majority of Isaaqs (HA,HY,CG & Arap) were led Ahmed Gurey bin Hussein As-Somali. There is no doubt for someone who read the Futuh that the Isaaq participated and it makes sense since the Adal Sultanate’s heartland lies in the Isaaq heartland.

Marexaan were mentioned as traitors who killed the Sultan of Saylac’s messenger and then fled to the wild lands of the Hawiye. Habar Magaadle brought more troops than any single Somali sub clan (2k men & 200 horses).Karanle are not mentioned nor any modern Dir subclan nor was Imam Ahmed a Somali let alone a Hutu.The only time Hawiye was mentioned is when the Marexaan fled to them to escape Adalite justice. Hawiye have no history.

Now Hutu tell me, what history do you have?

Show me proof that the Marehan were mentioned as traitors?

Ahmed was guessed to be those qabils by the guesses of historians. Despite ruling over the North, no one thinks he is Isaaq. That’s the facts and you can cry your self to sleep.

The imam Ya’qubi who ruled in Xamar in the 1600s was definitely Hawiye, no guesswork is needed for that. You can’t say that. You can never say for certain that Ahmed Gurey was Isaaq, not one historical scholar believes that and hardly any agree that Habr Maqdi was lander.

I can’t believe a fool like who is relying on guesswork is questioning the history of other Somalis.

Wallahi, you’re a qabilst haywaan. I’ve seen you insult other non Isaaq Somalilanders, I’ve seen you insult HY. You’re a low IQ fool mooryaan who is low IQ in every single way.