How Puntland Should Deal With The SFG

[peacemaker]

Absame are not even the majority of Jubaland. Back in the 2000s people never associated the Jubas with you folks.
At least Harti are the majority of Puntland, unlike you Kenyati/Ethiopian folks guarded by Ugali soldiers.

kkkkkk langab. Chest beating online will not change reality on ground monkey boy

Ogadens conquered Jubbaland when your ancestors were primitive creatures busy looking for water sxb.

kkkkkk. Every man and his dog knows who is king of Jubbaland. And that is Ogaden who created Jubbaland. Not the langabs you speak of

your tiny little brain logic must explain why the Ogadens defeated the British empire in Waamo in 1800s and why Ogaden created Jubbaland and not any of the other langab guest clans ?

the nasab native owner of a land creates her admin. Notice how no langab can create Jubbaland as only Ogaden straddles between all three gobals

 

[Calaami]

AS 360 no-scoping your elders and AMISOM feelin you up but Puntland is your enemy? Yeah alright.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Im glad the non-puntites 'hate' me it reminds me of non-puntites hatred of abdillahi yusuf, yet we know he was the best thing to happen for the south. If HAGS hate you, your doing something right.

PIM need to stssop copy n pasting Isaaq secession madness PL is above thaat, this won't win you any supporters locally or globally. These nutcases think they can operate outside national n international legalities.

We must be creative, work within federal guidelines and international community requirements. A 99 Year independence is justified for us that the south hasn't reached the on-ground stability required for federalism.

A 25 year federal union review will be conducted by both PL/SFG which will convince International community we are still 'federalist'. PL just needs time 'off' from the south and the south needs time off from PL. We are ruining federalism by rushing it with an unstable south.

When the south-central sorts it's shit out, we can discuss federalism. Before then we are silly to discuss federalism with a region where every 2 km in mogadishu is a checkpoint, where they fly between jowhar to mogadishu due to no land security.

There is no stakeholder in the south that is ready for federalism. Till real stakeholders arise, till they achieve stability, only then shall we discuss with them. The I.C haloo sheego why u cunts hiding out in 'halane' shipping containers in mogadishu, well obviously you see there is no stability. Till stability returns, PL should enjoy a 'separate status' to the south.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hanna i've responded to your madness. Pls take ya blood pressure pills before u listen, cuz when your done, you might have a heart attack.

 

[Thebluesomali]

For starters water to farm, food and huge population that is settled in one area, that can be taxed, relied on.
You guys live in an area the size of Germany and have no city thats economically significant like Mogadishu or Hargeysa.

Anytime someone tries to lie about PL having no cities I'm just going to send them this post. We have the strongest middle class in all of Somalia, everyone in PL shares in the wealth of their state.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/fgs-tells-citizens-of-al-shabab-occupied-bur-hakaba-to-take-up-arms-against-laftagareen-and-sws-administration.135881/post-3375307

Garoowe is the fastest growing city in Somalia mashallah

 

[Thebluesomali]

And you know what if it wasn't southern states such as Hirshabeele & Galmudug chasing Alshabaab 24/7 and hindering their ability to move further or mobilize into more territories, you guys would be dealing with the same insecurity shit.
You guys are unable to defeat few under equipped Alshabaab in Galgala for a decade.
Say Alhamdulilah, that you & the secessionists folks have a shield that's holding these mfkers back

This is the most insane mental gymnastics I've seen here. How about you go read on the history of PL and how we destroyed the terrorists in our lands. How time and time again we repel any AS attacks they try on our great state. We don't have any mercy for those folks always executing them don't care about their qabil. You are just angry and jealous at your peoples inability to rid their lands of extremists like us. You look at how we made our state safe and try to justify why your lands are still not free yet. Keep projecting your insecurities it is showing. Pathetic excuse to explain why you can't roam freely in your lands. Next time just say you would like PL assistance since we know how to get shit done.

https://www.voanews.com/a/shabab-coastal-raid-spurs-changes-somali-regional-officials/3299889.html

 

[Thebluesomali]

Luckily for us, we actually have caqli. Who in there right minds succeeds from a Country named Somalia, just to call it “somaliland”

we will just say something like “we were forced to be with southern Somalia by Italy” or some shit kkkkk

The thing is we actually have a reason. Majeerteenia and Hobyo existed as a sultanate already and then became an Italian protectorate. It wasn't until later Italians forced us to merge with southern Italian Somalilland. If we wanted we can say we were tricked into giving up our statehood.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Thebluesomali Since 2009-2022 that is 12 years wasted, it reminds me of our silly 1991-1998 period of time-waste waiting for the south to get it's act together. We are now waiting for 'federalism' for 12 years.

I honor my previous puntite generation who wasted 8 years and decided to hand us a state that is now heading towards 25 years in 2023. That is one generation legacy.

Now it's our generation time to 'tweak' and hand over a better puntland agreement with the south, an agreement that will still promote 1 somalia only when the 'south' is stable, till it's stable, PL should enjoy full independence for 99 years and we can satisfy the unionist that PL is separate not becuz we want to divide Somalia permantely, but because we don't want to waste valuable time(already 12 years has been wasted) with an unstable south.

A new generation starts in 2023 for Puntland, we honor our previous generation, now our generation needs to provide our state with this 'treaty' so it can enjoy 99 years of peace, stability, and development, while we can satisfy our crazy unionist that we HEAR their desires and inside that 99 years every 25 years(one generation intervals) we will sit with the south n discuss federal union and if the conditions are still not ripe for federation, we return back to working as separate countries using this 99 year treaty as our working relationship.

The I.C will also be happy that the one somalia federal project is still on-going but 'mature' states like PL have complaints they wasted 12 years on the south and require a 'different federal framework'.

 

[Thebluesomali]

@Thebluesomali Since 2009-2022 that is 12 years wasted, it reminds me of our silly 1991-1998 period of time-waste waiting for the south to get it's act together. We are now waiting for 'federalism' for 12 years.

I honor my previous puntite generation who wasted 8 years and decided to hand us a state that is now heading towards 25 years in 2023. That is one generation legacy.

Now it's our generation time to 'tweak' and hand over a better puntland agreement with the south, an agreement that will still promote 1 somalia only when the 'south' is stable, till it's stable, PL should enjoy full independence for 99 years and we can satisfy the unionist that PL is separate not becuz we want to divide Somalia permantely, but because we don't want to waste valuable time(already 12 years has been wasted) with an unstable south.

A new generation starts in 2023 for Puntland, we honor our previous generation, now our generation needs to provide our state with this 'treaty' so it can enjoy 99 years of peace, stability, and development, while we can satisfy our crazy unionist that we HEAR their desires and inside that 99 years every 25 years(one generation intervals) we will sit with the south n discuss federal union and if the conditions are still not ripe for federation, we return back to working as separate countries using this 99 year treaty as our working relationship.

The I.C will also be happy that the one somalia federal project is still on-going but 'mature' states like PL have complaints they wasted 12 years on the south and require a 'different federal framework'.

I think that framework would definitely work, it gives the south a chance to fix itself up before integrating ourselves with them. All I know is that the difference between north and south is starkly different and becoming increasingly more obvious. Two completely different worlds. One is ripe with extremism, clan warfare, extreme corruption, foreign troops, etc. I feel though that it would have to be an ultimatum to the FGS since we know they will be xaasid and try to hinder us. Either agree to these terms or we are leaving like SL is what would have to be said for them to agree in this scenario.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Thebluesomali the International community requirements are

1. Somalis must agree on their own relationship, so all sides must come to a compromise meaning the SFG and Puntites inside themselves(unionists vs secessionist)
2. Consult the I.C about the agreement
3. Not radical or extreme solutions or one sided solutions that can trigger conflict, but they prefer 'interim' type of arrangements like a 'treaty' to see how that goes before adopting a 'foreign policy change'.

This is why I say the 99 year treaty and 25 year federal union review interval arrangements can satisfy the I.C and the SFG and puntites across all political spectrum.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Thebluesomali copying SL worldwide begging recognition doesn't benefit us, it just puts us into isolation. We need to follow national and international procedures, no-one is going to change how the world operates for us. That's very lazy thinking. However my model can bring about a 'medium' ground between unonist/secessionist, it can pledge we are still on-board for 'federalism' when the 'time n conditions' on ground are ready for it and we will do federal/regional 25 year reviews to discuss if the conditions on the ground has changed and met the requirements PL demands.

We need to 'differentiate' PL political status to SL so SL can remain isolated becuz it's not on-board for 'federal union treaty' which PL will be and PL is only independent due to 'southern instability' and lack of progress on federalism and why we enjoy our independence. We can't go around using 'force' locally and 'begging world wide' niyahow, puntites are not like that.

 

[Man with a garuun]

So the parliament who may speak for the nation in the future when we have votes, should ask first what to do with a federal member state?

Under the current interim constitution, any changes to it will require the consent of the FMS. That means the current Parliament can't enact any laws that contradict or doesn't fall in line with the interim constitution without first getting consensus from the federal member states.

Another obstacle: The role of Supreme Court is missing because it doesn't exist. So for instance, if a FMS were to challenge the actions of the government or the parliament, highest court is not there to interfere.

So without completing the current constitution, obtaining the consent of the federal member states, and the population voting for it through a popular referendum, the actions of the current interim parliament is meaningless.

 

[InaShaqalle]

The FGS will never consent to giving PL independence nor giving PL a unique amount of autonomy. This isn't me being xaasid but every President of Somalia wants to solely rule the entirety of Somalia with an iron fist

 

[Kramer]

The FGS will never consent to giving PL independence nor giving PL a unique amount of autonomy. This isn't me being xaasid but every President of Somalia wants to solely rule the entirety of Somalia with an iron fist

Theres no FGS in PL.

No one takes FGS serious till they the people of the south free themselves from al shaytaan , and that depends on all the qabiils. south of mudug.

Until then ....



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[DR OSMAN]

@InaShaqalle the reality on the ground and your words are bipolar. You are not a siyad barre my friend, u can barely walk 2 km in hamar without a checkpoint, u fly between hamar n jowhar, your villa power doesn't extend beyond his 'villa' that's the reality on the ground not this 'I want to rule with an iron fist nonsense'

The only power the SFG has is it's 'recognition' and 'foreign' engagement, that's it. On the ground, you r essentially 'villa banadir' and even banadir is 'disputed' territory.

 

[warside]

The FGS will never consent to giving PL independence nor giving PL a unique amount of autonomy. This isn't me being xaasid but every President of Somalia wants to solely rule the entirety of Somalia with an iron fist

Actually 2012 constitution gives PL special treatment since it's the only state that existed prior to its adoption, article 142 affirms that they can retain and exercise powers endowed by the State Constitution. basically PL can do what ever in their state constitution.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@warside after waiting for 8 years(91-98) for the south, we decided not to wait any longer. Now it's 12 years(2009-2022) and federalism hasn't been achieved, we should call upon a 'extraordinary' session to discuss our constitutional article about independence which can be only triggered if the 'south instability continues' and there is a lack of federalism and both conditions are present in the south.

As we know federalism hasn't taken shape on the ground and The 'duration' of instability is 8 year limit that we can tolerate following in the previous generation foot-step.

Now it's 12 years(2009-2022), it's bloody about time we stop sitting around and hoping for the best each 5 years.

 

[peacemaker]

The FGS will never consent to giving PL independence nor giving PL a unique amount of autonomy. This isn't me being xaasid but every President of Somalia wants to solely rule the entirety of Somalia with an iron fist

If Puntland declared Independence tomorrow there is nothing villa somalia can do

people fail to understand Ogaden conquered and tamed Jubbaland from Gaalo madow centuries before somalia and was a Kingdom in its own right but when they defeated the British empire,

the British ran off, paid the Italians to invade and Jubbaland could not fight back as it defeated the biggest empire in history in 29 year non stop war, so we have not forgotten our old kingdoms

Puntland was the same, they were a king before this colonial border crap, so certain clans like Absame, Harti had kingdoms before the colonials, this si why they will fight tooth and nail and take away their lands

@DR OSMAN is a coward who wants to declare out but comes with nonsense marketing hype like 99 years one foot out, one foot in blah blah, just declare your PIM for God's sake man, do not waste another 40 years waiting for villa cursed somalia

 

[warside]

@warside after waiting for 8 years(91-98) for the south, we decided not to wait any longer. Now it's 12 years(2009-2022) and federalism hasn't been achieved, we should call upon a 'extraordinary' session to discuss our constitutional article about independence which can be only triggered if the 'south instability continues' and there is a lack of federalism and both conditions are present in the south.

As we know federalism hasn't taken shape on the ground and The 'duration' of instability is 8 year limit that we can tolerate following in the previous generation foot-step.

Now it's 12 years(2009-2022), it's bloody about time we stop sitting around and hoping for the best each 5 years.

That opinion isn't popular among our politicians and not one of them wants to do with anything that resembles secession partly because most of them want to rule the whole nation not just PL.

 

[DR OSMAN]

That opinion isn't popular among our politicians and not one of them wants to do with anything that resembles secession partly because most of them want to rule the whole nation not just PL.

That's why this 1 feet in, 1 feet out approach we can win in 'both scenarios' not having all our 'eggs' in one basket.